Why is the left so afraid of Trump running for president?

[Pterodon]

Seems they’re doing everything they can to keep him out of the race

[blueonblack22]

You got it backwards now. The left actually wants Donald Trump to be the front runner and here’s why:

• Trump is the only candidate the senile barely animated corpse Joe Biden has any chance at beating.
• Trump’s age and his own skeletons in his closet gives the democrats and the mass media a huge convenient distraction from Biden’s own huge pile corruption, failure and incompetence.
• Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real thing and the Democratic Party knows it well. Some people are so deranged that it doesn’t matter to them if Biden destroyed our economy and hyper inflated the American dollar. They hear the word “Trump” and they immediately become demon possessed and will walked 20 miles through hail, snow and tornados just to vote for any other candidate besides Trump.
• Trump‘s stupid remarks and bad optics costed republicans senate and congressional seats in 2018, 2020 and 2022. We wouldn’t have had all this hyperinflation right now if the republicans controlled the senate.
• Leftists use TDS to demonize and hate ANYbody who voted for Trump. Liberal elitists love that because it gives them to an excuse to push Marxist organizations like BLM and the rainbow mob.
• Mass media outlets like CNN and the New York Times made gobs of money from all the Trump hatred. They more than anybody want him back.
• Even if Trump wins he can only serve four years. The democrats will use this as an excuse to push a candidate like Joseph Stalin next.

Do not fall for it. Do not vote for Trump in the primaries. Who the left is truly terrified of is not Trump it’s Ron DeSantis. Reason being is DeSantis is young, smart and thinks before he speaks. He gets shit done. And he knows how to win (he got re-elected in the Florida gubernatorial election by 20 points).

You can be sympathetic to Trump who is being unfairly targeted and prosecuted by a disgustingly bias Biden department of justice and the deep state. It’s true they want ultimately to take him down while giving Biden and HRC a “pass” just because they are democrats and permanent fixtures in the swamp. But republicans need to care about winning and Trump hasn’t had an electoral victory since 2016.

[najekim]

I would make it simpler, don't vote for either Democrat or Republican. Both need to be put out of power, IMHO.

[blueonblack22]

@najekim in a perfect world that would be nice. But we know live in a world where you are forced to choose a side. You don’t choose then someone else will choose for you.

The left though started this bs. They have no qualms about encroaching on other peoples freedoms and liberties. Cancel culture (which is very real) is a red flag symptom of what the left really wants.

[najekim]

I didn't say I don't vote. I just don't vote for Democrats or Republicans.

[blueonblack22]

@najekim truth be told staying politically aware is exhausting. But I got blindsided at f*cking work a few years ago and after that incident I have come to hate leftists with a passion. I’m an average Joe and my f*cking livelihood was threatened. One side is willing is much more willing to censor, cancel, threaten and bully more than the other. That’s why I vote Republican.

[Unknown29]

Because, per the recent polls, he’s got a fair shot at beating biden. Not only that, but more Americans in over 20 years are identifying as conservative. If we work we can give him another term🇺🇸💪🏻💪🏻🇺🇸

[Malcom_Reynolds]

Are more Americans identifying as conservative? I haven't seen that poll. The younger generations definitely aren't but I don't know about the population as a whole.

[Unknown29]

@Malcom_Reynolds
Gallop news: news.gallup.com/.../...rvatism-highest-decade.aspx
Fox News:
www.foxnews.com/.../...ghest-point-decade-poll.amp

[Malcom_Reynolds]

Looking at the results of that graph, it looks like the changes are primarily in Republicans becoming more conservative.

[Anonymous]

As a german there are too many parelels to hitler:
Tried it the legal way was semi successfull, tried it with a violent coup: failed and went to prison. (Thats the step trump is atm).
Later he tried again and took full power and used hatred for a group of society for it. Lgbtq for the purpose of this is comparable to jews.
His speachs are similar too. Populism and together against the 'bad guys', they are at fault and they want to take it from you, etc.
I mean you are allready at the book banning steo that was later for his career.

[Pterodon]

But you see nothing wrong with socialism

[Opinion Owner]

I dont see any socialism in America You are way too far off. You dont even have any form of social security.
Also Hitler was more nationalist than socialist. The socialist part was reserved for a very few specific people. It was basically propaganda and not real socialism.

[Pterodon]

There is a push for socialism here by the left

[Opinion Owner]

No, they push for basic rights not socialism. You have truly no idea what socialism is. I mean yes technically everything that gives more social care could be considered closer to socialism but thats far from their end goal. America is extremly conservative liberal. There is bassically no 'left' in that country.

[Opinion Owner]

Yes, because I have a point to compare it to. A lot of americans I talked to have no idea what left or right even is. Also you are loud enough so the world knows what is going on over there. Not like you can really miss it.

[Sixgunsound]

https://youtu.be/QU67ohDQaEk

Name calling doesn't change anything. There is a very active left in the US, the reason why that is hard to see outside the country is the left dominates all forms of media and it is difficult to get the truth out. Corporate losses are socialized, healthcare is socialized, housing is socialized, food is socialized, etc. We are at a scary similar point in our nation to where the National Socialust German Worker's Party was right before the war started. If Biden gets our guns away like Hitler disarmed the jews there is nothing stopping him from putting conservatives in camps. That is what we are so afraid of. If we're dead either way we're at least going to fuck up as many of his stormtroopers as we can on our way out.

[Opinion Owner]

The conservatist literally controle the media. How are you not able to get the truth out? You are blinded by reality that is the case. by the way if the disarming started earlier hitler would probably never have been successful he started with the violent coup and without him trying he wouldn't have been able to present himself as the unfair loser.
Also he started a milita while in power. He only disarmed very specific people.

[Opinion Owner]

Name calling? You mean 'kraut'? I dont care about that.

[Sixgunsound]

What media does the American right control? Even Fox is owned by Disney now.

[Sixgunsound]

He disarmed the people who ended up in camps.

[Opinion Owner]

He also armed the rest of his followers. He had big support at the time. He wasn't afraid of the majority of population, they gave him power in the first place. He literally made children receive early military and gun training.

[Sixgunsound]

Kind of like in the US they are making children receive anti-america protest training. You are correct that there are many parallels, but not from Trump's side. Birds if a National Socialist feather flock together, after all. Trump is a lot of things, but a socialist is not one of them. We're you planning on naming a US based right wing media outlet or no?

[Opinion Owner]

Hahahah you literally said the left want to take guns away and now you say they receive gun training. Hahhaa please make up your mind in your dreamland.
I dont see any similarity with the opposite. The conservatists and trump on the other hand fit perfectlyt in picture. There hatred for one specific group all, the failed armed coup the playing the victim, the we against them. Its all the same.

[Sixgunsound]

Preferably one big enough to be readily available as evidence, not one you had to research.

[Sixgunsound]

I realize English is not your first language, but I never said kids were receiving gun training, what I said was anti-american protest training. Please give me the reasonable courtesy of actually reading my answers before inserting whatever you need to fabricate to make your argument make sense. It was Obama, a Democrat, who pushed for a race war, and his boy Biden who is pushing anti white anti male hatred. You might not realize what you are doing, but it fits perfectly with Alinsky's book Rules for Radicals, or Marx's original manifesto, which instructs revolutionaries to accuse the other of that which you are doing. No firearms were recovered from any suspects at the capitol protest, liar. The American left is fundamentally a victimhood coalition, liar. The American left cancels or excommunicates anyone who doesn't agree with everything they say and publicly proclaim their loyalty to the movement, liar. One of the biggest leftist groups in the US even uses the Antifascist Aktion battle flag from the Nazi era. Do some independent research instead of swallowing whatever propaganda your puppet masters put in front of you. If you are not going to get your facts straight, or put any effort at all besides regurgitating propaganda, I don't see any point in wasting time on a battle of wits with a disarmed opponent.

[Opinion Owner]

At least we agree on one point this discussion is pointless. I see you as blinded by progaganda and you apperantly the same. We can't even agree on facts. How are we gonna make arguments that the other can even accept? Also I see you as not realizing the most obvious things and for you it seems The same. I hate nazis and you hate the left, I guess we are just opposites.
How would I know what is big in america? I just know what media and information makes it across the globe and I can see how it massively more right winged and conservative than any media that is not from america but talks about the U. S..
This why I can't believe you when you tell me the media is controlled by the left, because if that is the case you wouldn't have a left at all, just a far right and a not as far right.

[Sixgunsound]

But you can't even name a single right wing media company🤣 Before anything else, that is why I struggle to take you seriously because you ignore inconvenient questions, even if asked multiple times. I don't like Nazis, my mother's father fled Berlin in 1939 to get away. I don't like any kind of socialists, Nazi or otherwise, because the 20th century showed the world what happens when socialists get power. Nazis self identified as socialists. Thank you for admitting that you don't know that of which you speak and that you get your information from international media sources, I can at least respect your honesty in that. I won't pretend to understand much about the AFD party in Germany, but enough people seem to for them to win at least some elections. If you acknowledge your sources are branded corporations with stockholders and special interests to please, does that not make you think to question their honesty or reliability? My background and graduate degree are in information science and teaching, which is what started me questioning the left dominated propaganda machine we have here in the US which controls most information that gets out. There are a small handful of right wing content creators using left wing platforms to get the truth out, including criticizing their own members when necessary, but nothing Iike the massive media empires that people watch for their morning or evening news programs. I like to think of it like the BBC using short wave radio to broadcast war news to civilians across the channel when the Nazis wouldn't let any of the truth be told on radio. Well, before the BBC went woke anyways, back when it was a news agency.

[Opinion Owner]

Why would I want to remember biased right wing media? It is clear that most media from america is right winged though. Dont know what I talk about? You Speak about yourself?
Yes the AFD is concerning and growing in power. They are far right neonazis and only borderline legal. They also have nearly the same interests as trump and are the only german party that was in full support of him.
I question the media yes, every clear minded person should do that. Thats why I dont trust right wing biased media and find it not worth remembering their name.
And your answer still doesn't make sense. If you dont like nazis stay away from trump its that easy he is by far the most similar to the old nazis, but you like to ignore me on that point anyway.

[Sixgunsound]

So we agree that you can't name a single right wing media outlet but base your entire argument on their existence. Do you lack the capabilities to understand how that is problematic for your position? If you do, that's fine, I'm not judging you for something that might not be your choice or fault. But I am suggesting that in future you will be taken more seriously when your arguments are logically consistent and come from within, as opposed to externally received talking points.

[Opinion Owner]

@Sixgunsound So you have a single argument that I dont see leads anywhere and all you do is point out the single argument I dont adress how you like. Not that I dont adress it at all but you ignore all my answers. I see my position not worse than yours. Even if you would "win" that single argument it doesn't change your position. This is about a name of something I dont think is worth remembering but is literally all over the place.
If I for example would say fox news you say, its disney. Somehow that doesn't make it less right though. Its a popular one though so probably its more concerning the masses and not as far right as it gets.
Also please stop giving advice when you are in the same situation as the person you are giving advice to otherwise we could form a support group.

[Sixgunsound]

So by making me not the issues your argument, you admit that you don't have one. I guess it's my fault for hoping that a point would arise where you would have something substantive to say, as it became increasingly obvious that you do not and I was wasting my time talking to a machine on repeat. My apologies. I hope you have a great rest of your day.

[Opinion Owner]

@Sixgunsound So what about addressing my first argument? I can play the same game. Do you even realize how you criticize me for the exact same things you are doing? If you are not even seeing that I know why this is not going anywhere. We are at a meta discussion here that will lead no where. I wanted to stop earlier but this is my end here.
If you consider yourself the winner pls do so and know I disgree but this is useless to continue. For a discussion you need common ground which is most of the time facts. We can't even agree on facts because no one is giving sources. If we start again with sources that could be different but its not working when I disgree with what you use as your basic and you ignore my answers completly. I had arguments where I disagreed but at least it was an interesting discussion. This here is NOT. We agree its a waste of time. I even let you have the last word if you want to. Cioa!

[msc545]

@Pterodon Reported.

[Pterodon]

@msc545 oooh I’m afraid

[sawno]

Germans have a lot to learn in that regard.
There was no violent coup at all, there is no evidence of a violent coup.
Does this look like a violent coup?
The actual violent part was a bunch of undercover rogue actors that maskeraded as "Team Orange" but had ties to left wing groups.

Trump does not hate LGBTQ, that is absolute nonsense. He actually used YMCA as his campaign song multiple times, you know the origin of that song right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1huCqtFv3GA

Populism is a good thing, it means doing what the people actually want you do and keeping your campaign promises. Hitler was not a populist, he was a socialist (Since your german I am sure you know what Nazi actually means, but its National Socialism for those who don't).

Want to know what actual Nazi's look like? Because they are everywhere. Its the people who try to conquer the world with their ideology and mergers with the big corporations. Those who think its better to impose their will and restrictions on society. I saw more parallels with WW2 in the Covid Lockdowns than anytime else.

And to the poor german population, they keep twisting it on you so your supporting the Nazi candidates. The ones that want socialism, big governance and want to dominate other countries trough the EU in favor of big international banks and corporations. Those are the ones you need to look out for.

Trump isn't innocent in this either, but he is a hell of a lot better than most.

[Opinion Owner]

Ignorance is bliss. I would like it too. Not Starting another pointless discussion here.

[Sixgunsound]

@sawno it's too hot here for low information snowflakes. The cognitive dissonance experienced when first trying to overcome decades of indoctrination can be intensely uncomfortable, and many people turn back because if that. Germany has a long history of socialist demagogues, and if that is all she knows it is understandable why she would cling to it so bitterly and refuse any reasoning to the contrary. And don't bother trying to get sources out of her I already tried🤣

[sawno]

Ignorance is fine if that is what you prefer, but than do not spread your own (mis) information since that would be misleading to others.

[Sixgunsound]

@sawno https://youtu.be/mKdk5AaykZ0

[WalnutButter]

1. The left doesn't think for themselves.

2. Look at the triggered jerk from Germany. lol

3. Most all the triggered jerks are not American

4. Look at the brain-dead president they love.

5. Many of libs on forums are being paid to say stupid things.

[Malcom_Reynolds]

The left loves Biden? Since when?

[Leapfrog00]

It may have something to do with him refusing to peacefully transfer his position of power after the results of the last election. Trying to overturn an election is dangerous behavior, and it sets off alerts for Congress. They are most likely going to watch him like a hawk this time. Trump wants to do everything his way and he can't seem to comprehend the president works under the executive branch, not the legislative where the lawmakers are.

Then he wants to abolish the "Birthright" amendment. (If you are born in America, you automatically become a citizen amendment"). That's a big red flag right there. Anyone who makes an attempt to rewrite the constitution or even abolish sections is trying to corrupt the government. These amendments are there for a reason. Tampering with any of them, especially with a citizenship amendment is foolhardy.

Our ancestors were immigrants, and this country was founded on immigrants. It's Unamerican to change what our forefathers worked so hard to accomplish so we could have a better life. I wouldn't say Trump is a traitor but some of his behaviors are questionable and dangerous. When he pardoned himself, right there was a red flag he was going to pull some stunt out of his hat. Pardons are for criminals, usually to get pardoned from prison.

If he gets elected for a second term, I wonder if he realizes that he can't run again after this because if he tries to overturn the next election, congress will probably get smart this time.

I think they are trying to keep him out of the race because of these questionable and dangerous decisions he made. He needs to stop worrying about Twitter and the news being fake also and focus on his job if by some miracle he gets elected again. We all have to take criticism, and he's not good at taking it. I'm a writer, and I beg for it because it tells me how good I am, and what I can improve on.

[Pterodon]

But it’s ok for the left to want to abolish the first and second amendments?

[Leapfrog00]

no, it's not OK. It's not OK for anyone to abolish any amendments. The bill of rights Amendments especially. No ones rights should be taken away.

[msc545]

He is not going tobe re-elected. He is going to prison.

[Pterodon]

@msc545 I don’t think he’ll se a day in prison unlike biden and his son

[Leapfrog00]

@msc545 he's not presidential material for sure. It would take him a miracle to be re-elected. I'm predicting in the next few months, more woman are going to come forward, Between the tax fraud and the civil suit, I'm surprised he lasted this long without going to jail.

The historians ranked him as the worst president in history, before Nixon and Johnson. It's pretty sad when his own political cabinet went against him the last time, lol.

Maybe someone else will run besides the him or Biden.

[Pterodon]

No one is worse than biden

[msc545]

good luck with your delusions.

[SingleGuy101]

@msc545 He may go to prison, but he will still get re-elected. Numbers are strong for Trump.

[Mac-One]

@Leapfrog00 What makes it right to destroy our freedoms, our country, our Constitution, our economy, our lives through executive order without the approval of Congress as Biden has been doing. Executive orders should be for emergency conditions until Congress can act and expire after 30 days if not approved by Congress.

[Leapfrog00]

@Mac-One This is not about Biden, which I'm not a fan of him either. The president works under the executive branch, which means they just enforce laws. The president cannot re-write the constitution. Biden can't, Trump can't, no presidential official. The only ones that can are legislation, which even then, they can only write amendments to abolish. Too many people are manterrupted what they hear on the news. There are facts, but then a lot of it are opinions.

[Mac-One]

@Leapfrog00 Open your eyes to all that has happened since Biden has been in office. The country is definitely headed in all of the wrong directions.

[Leapfrog00]

@Mac-One what's that have to do with Trump? The question was "Why is the left so afraid of Trump running for President". Trump has series issues, Biden has serious issues, and they are screwing this country in the ground.

Any person who refused to transfer his position of power over is dangerous. In history, it has started wars, thousands of people died. He's dangerous.

[D_Bone_Steak]

I don't have anything to say except there is a lot of people that got swept into hysteria by the media. I'm just reading some of the comments here and holy shit do they come up with a bunch of different reasons.

You gotta remember most of these people are what enabled that stupid mask-wearing and take-your-shots stuff to get out of control. Big-brain ideas like putting sick people in with old people in old folk's homes or sending cops to monitor churches for wearing their masks and social distancing while Burn Loot Murder (BLM) were running around on the streets burning shit down.

Just reading some of this bullshit... it's like grasping at straws. So sure of themselves, each of them and then anyone with a sane opinion or simply not biased enough gets ruthlessly attacked by them. Gonna troll them right now with a nice Trump picture...

I love this meme! Fastest way to get a leftest to argue against themselves is to put Trump behind it.

So I just urge anyone to actually read this stuff that the troon lovers are spewing. Take a good look at where their hero Biden has gotten them. Look at it objectively and you or anyone else will start to clearly see just how unhinged they are. Pretty sure they'll see Trump's picture here and attack the hell out of me just because of that. That's not sanity.

With all that said... thanks for posting this question. I wished more people would post questions like this... I'm learning a lot just by reading all these answers. Just reading and taking it in... attacking people for their opinions is for the NPC's.

[D_Bone_Steak]

https://youtu.be/WUfP9mUJuuk

The first 35 seconds of this video really pointed out something important... how all these media companies and people all come out saying the same shit at the same time. I had to bring it up here because I read some stuff here that was basically repeating the same shit that was spreading yesterday on Twitter... that this salty cracker dude is pointing out as an example of it, will probably be on the News outlets today.

I call it second-hand thoughts/group-think/borrowed ideas... retarded. Like I've already pointed out... remember... remember these are the same "know-it-alls" that thought they knew everything about COVID (a bunch of fucking doctors all of a sudden), were sure Trump was a Russian asset 5 years ago, bought up all the damn toilet paper, and they're never going to learn a damn thing... they parrot things. They're told what to think, not how to think.

Anyways I just wanted to speak somewhere on that and point out what their talking points will be this week. I'll turn it into a drinking game and take a drink every time I end up reading the same garbled-re-hacked thoughts with only some words changed here and there.

[Malcom_Reynolds]

The first 35 seconds managed to read one opinion on Twitter in between calling everything fake. That's quite the insight right there. Are these the Big Brain ways to troll people?

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Malcom_Reynolds https://youtu.be/KiNlCytsgqs

I didn't feel the need to explain details, but if you want to arm yourself with the details about what we will hear about for the next 2 weeks, then start here.

If you just want to argue with me... suck my nutts Malcom in the middle.

[SingleGuy101]

Trump is the end of the "Global Warming" climate change initiative. The democrats have too much invested in electric cars and anti fossil fuel initiatives. As a trump supporter, I am personally tired of being told what I can and cannot use or buy in terms of fuel and energy. I am further extremely tired and angry from hearing bogus science being treated as fact when it comes to the climate change conspiracy theory. Trump isn't anti recycling, he isn't anti solar panel, he isn't against any of these ideas. However he thinks like I do, that the market should determine these products not the government. I think the Abortion issue is what is angering the Democrats. Republicans need to back down on Abortion.
The idea that Carbon Dioxide levels are causing tornadoes and hurricanes... is just terrible science, since CO2 is heavier than O2. And the recent carbon from fires in Canada shows how CO2 in fact stabilizes the weather. We haven't had thunderstorms or tornadoes in the midwest since these wildfires started.

[Anonymous]

It’s the system… Trump is a symbol of the public losing faith in the system. And the system doesn’t like that.

What’s hilarious to me is how so many people have flip-flopped from the pre-Trump years, through them, and to now… like all lefties hated capitalism and big business because Trump was the “big bad businessman” in charge, and then the pandemic hit and they were the first ones to bend over backwards for the vaccine and support our highly invasive capitalist medical industry and are so pro-the leftist corporate narrative now, it’s ridiculous.

Like man, all these “hyper-political” people, all over the place, ranting all over their social media accounts, have no real values that they stand on. They are not researching enough, have not experienced enough, or are simply not thinking things through. They operate on popular narrative. That’s it.

It’s like they don’t even see what’s really happening, or understand the greater implications. It’s all fear and fear-mongering. So desperate to prevent their precious little comfortable “bubbles” from bursting.

[Malcom_Reynolds]

Supporting the message that people should get vaccinated is supporting "our highly invasive capitalist medical industry" is a take I haven't seen before.

Trump is a threat to the system, I agree with that point. Though Trump also created Operation Warp Speed to develop the vaccines so there's also that.

I think the idea that "the left" is so afraid of Trump bears little resemblance to reality.

[richardcory]

The "left' is a lot of different people with different ideas - same for the right.
Many people who identify as liberal believe that Trump is dangerous because he doesn't seem to understand the scale of the impact of his actions.

His complaints about the security of US elections risk civil war, but he seems to see it a some sort of business marketing game. He released classified material just to show off to people (the KH11 spy satellite photos), not for any particular reason.

He is used to managing billion dollar companies, not the ten thousand times larger US.

Before you go there - I don't want Biden either - an 80 year old as president is nuts. WTF do we do if he gets dementia and removing him from office becomes political?

[richardcory]

Why do you say that? I've had family members with dementia - Biden is no where near there yet, but he could be. I'm not worried about him forgetting random things. I'm worried about him starting a war because he's forgotten the last 50 years.

[Pterodon]

And you voted for it so obviously you’re not afraid of war

[Malcom_Reynolds]

You guys really think he's gonna start a war due to dementia and forgetting shit? Don't get me wrong, his health issues and concerns for dementia are plentiful. But so are Trump's. Though if Biden's health did take a turn for the worse, I don't think removing him from office for the VP would be that political.

[richardcory]

@Malcom_Reynolds Trump is also old enough that I'm concerned. Remember that even though Regan was clearly failing mentally, he was not removed from office. With the huge poiltical divide in the US, removing a president might get very very ugly

[WindAtMyBack]

I've never understood the obsession the left has with Trump. This started long before he was president. Very early in the primaries they basically did his campaigning for him. At least 90% of the posts about him on this site and everywhere else were from liberals.

I think they are soooo obsessed because they are pissed at him for changing sides. He was a Democrat far longer than he was a Republican. When he flipped sides and ran as a Republican, I think it really pissed off the Democratic leadership who wanted him to run as a Democrat.

I mean, he sure as hell isn't a likable person. He's a total asshole, a horrible candidate, and an even worse diplomat ( which is the primary responsibility of the president ). But none of that explains the total obsession the left has. It seriously can't be described as anything other than an obsession on a mass scale.

[Malcom_Reynolds]

Trump's a personality that's easy to hate, says the quiet parts out loud, and picks fights with everyone. He's way easier to actively get mad at than Bush or McConnell who did/do just as bad things. And he's ever present.

I do think you're wrong about Democratic leadership wanting him to run as their nominee. I hadn't heard anything about that. It's true that he did flip flop between the parties for a while. But seemed to have cemented his side when the whole Birth Certificate thing started with Obama. And I highly doubt Obama would've supported him in a bid for the nomination.

[Avicenna]

Like most things in US politics, it is elite driven, meaning it is the corrupt and rapacious business, bureaucratic and political elites in the US that have driven the persecution of Trump. While the left is spearheading it so that the elites can maintain the fiction that politics in the US is partisan, there are non-ideological grifters who also don't want Trump in power because he's the person they know will try to something about CCP influence in the US and offshoring of what remains of the US manufacturing base and he won't play along with the open borders and climate change totalitarians that want to destroy everyone's standard of living and personal freedom. Beyond ideology, bureaucrats and lobbyists don't want their power reined in. And all those arrayed against Trump surely don't want ordinary Americans to get some relief from the policies aimed at them.

[call_me_scar]

Not afraid more worried what he or other corrupt right wingers will do if put in office, Biden and most Democrat politicians are no angles don't get me wrong but they are mostly wrong on economic issues and the right is wrong on both economic and issues involving day to day personal lives. Plus trump is very much bought out by the Saudi government you know the government who brags about killing journalist and is committing a genocide in Yemen which trump had the chance to stop our involvement with but chose to continue helping the Saudi's kill civilians

[Pterodon]

But Biden being bought by China is ok?

[call_me_scar]

Neither is fine dude if I had my way as a mortal they'd all be dead if I had my way as a god they'd be fixed with a moral code though if and when Biden leaves the office I doubt he will attempt a pathetic coup with a bunch of rednecks

[Pterodon]

Trump had nothing to do with it. He was never convicted remember?

[call_me_scar]

The guy was recommended for a criminal prosecution which was a weak move the man was on video screaming the election was stolen and calling his cult great when they are anything but what else do you expect out of careerists

[Malcom_Reynolds]

How exactly is Biden bought out by China? Jared Kushner got $2 billion from the Saudis.

The Republican Senate acquitted their leader, twice. That's party loyalty not exoneration.

[call_me_scar]

I was confused on that as well but I figured it sounded like something he has done so I didn't question it that much

[Sasahara]

Because Trump speaks his mind for better or worse. Which makes him extra problematic to them.

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Also, just so you know, that msc545 dude apparently unblocked me to replie to an replie I made in another question only to block me later :P So he blocks me, yet somehow reads my comments... I can see his answer her, so it was probably made between the unblock and the reblock.

Apparently asking leftists for proving their statments is bullshit in his opinion, as thats what made him blocked me in the first place.

[Sixgunsound]

When someone knows their argument is invalid, they have to destroy the opposition instead. Even if they succeed their argument still fails. That is why I'm not upset when people try to cancel me, because it is a de facto admission of defeat.

[Smashingdoozy]

He is an illiterate asshole and literally broke 3 dozen federal laws...

[Pterodon]

And Biden is an angel?

[Smashingdoozy]

Nope. But he is better than Trump. Unfortunately an angel doesn't exist this day and age in office.

[Pterodon]

I beg to differ. Under Trump I could afford gas and groceries

[Pterodon]

Plus our enemies feared us and the border was secure

[Smashingdoozy]

Yeah but you're smart enough to know that a single person doesn't cause world wide inflation... Right?

[Pterodon]

You might hate him personally but you loved his policies

[Smashingdoozy]

He did a lot more wrong than he did right.

[Pterodon]

Yes he did because he campaigned on on shutting down the fossil fuel industry and oil is traded on futures. The industry saw the future and shot up the very day the stupid prick was sworn in. Everything runs on fossil fuel. So when it goes up EVERYTHING goes up. I live in an oil producing state and know this better than you. So yes it is 100% his fault

[Pterodon]

Not to you

[Smashingdoozy]

You realise I'm talking about trump right...

[Pterodon]

Trump didn’t do anything wrong to you. He made your life better than biden has

[Pterodon]

Inflation was only 1% when Trump left office. It shot up to over 6% the very day fuckup was sworn in. That’s an irrefutable fact. Plus under Trump wages outpaced inflation. Under biden inflation is outpacing wages. Another irrefutable fact

[Pterodon]

Under Trump you made money. Under biden you’re losing money and you’re too full of hate to care

[Smashingdoozy]

Which indicates that Biden wasn't the cause of the inflation because he literally didn't do anything yet... You just proved my point... And also clearly don't understand how inflation works...

[Pterodon]

Yes he did. He campaigned on shutting down the fossil fuel industry and the day he was sworn in he canceled pipelines and stopped domestic and offshore drilling. Then he goes to Venezuela to try and make up the difference and drains the strategic petroleum reserve. Again the industry is traded on futures

[Pterodon]

This too is irrefutable. You’re not paying attention

[Smashingdoozy]

There is two reasons why inflation went up so much 1. The COVID 19 pandemic. People coming out of lockdown went on spending sprees buying at a much higher rate than the slowed supply chain could handle. When demand is higher than supply what happens? Price increases!

2. Russia invaded the Ukraine. A war disrupts the chain of supply which in turn raises prices. Because of that global (that means the entire world) food prices rose by 17%.

Also inflation doesn't just drop suddenly. The goal is to get it back to 2% but it isn't likely to reach that until 2025 but even then the economy is unpredictable.

[Smashingdoozy]

This is basic economics...

[Pterodon]

I disagree. Fact: biden is so weak is why Putin invaded. Don’t forget this is the second time Putin invaded Ukraine with Biden in offfice. He never would have under Trump. Stop listening to the liars propaganda and look at his domestic policies for facts

[Smashingdoozy]

Nope I told you the facts. You're making shut up.

[Pterodon]

Your timing is flawed. There was no war in Ukraine when he was sworn in which is when inflation and oil shot up

[Smashingdoozy]

What you're telling me is that by someone talking about something it can change inflation, is that correct?

[Pterodon]

Biden blaming the war is a flat out bald faced lie. It’s irrefutable. We have dates the day he was sworn in and the date Putin invaded

[Pterodon]

His actions. Remember he canceled pipelines and shut down drilling just like he campaigned on. Oil is traded on futures not present. The industry saw there would be a shortage and traded accordingly. The industry was right

[Pterodon]

His big mistake is shutting down one industry BEFORE the other becomes viable.

[Smashingdoozy]

But you said inflation went up the day he went into office. Which implies that Biden simply talking about what he wanted to do caused inflation. Not the actual act itself. That is literally what you're saying. You're also conviently forgetting the other part of the puzzle which is the COVID 19 pandemic. Both things are the cause of inflation.

[Pterodon]

Let’s talk about Covid. He campaigned that he would “stamp out” Covid. He didn’t. More died under him than Trump. Again no. His actions against the fossil fuel industry caused inflation and his actions happened the day he took office

[Pterodon]

Covid was also in trumps administration. Why didn’t we have inflation then? You don’t want to acknowledge inflation shot up the very day he was sworn in

[Pterodon]

You can’t blame inflation on Covid either because it was there under Trump too

[Smashingdoozy]

Because Biden was in office during covid longer than trump was... Covid Starred at the end of trump's term... That's just logic. You're acting as if he could have waved a magic wand and made it all disappear 🥴 like c'mon you're not that stupid. Like I get you don't understand economics, that's a whole other issue but this? Being old doesn't mean you can't learn anymore.

[Pterodon]

You’re the one ignoring the facts

[Pterodon]

Especially when it comes to gas prices. That’s what drove inflation

[Smashingdoozy]

I told you exactly what caused inflation. It is a world wide issue. I know you like to think America is the center of the world but what the US government does, does not effect the rest of the world on that much of a massive scale. ESPECIALLY since other countries actually have WORSE inflation. You're complaining about gas prices when other countries are paying more than double you are.

[exitseven]

@Smashingdoozy i get what you are saying. however the markets respond to things like stability and uncertainty. Biden's manifesto if you read it said he would shut down fossil fuel and spend billions on "green energy" that really does not exist in a meaningful way. Investors jumped ship on day 1 of the Biden adnin because they did not want to speculate and those policies were failures in the past.
Conversely when Trump won the election in 2016 the Dow Jones jumped over a thousand points on day one just on the anticipation of pro energy, pro American policies and it did not look back until we had Covid which injected another big dose of uncertainty into our economy.

[Smashingdoozy]

@exitseven yes the economy has been unstable for a long time. Shit would have gone up if only one of those global issues happened but since both happened almost simultaneously it caused obviously an ever bigger effect. But fact is a government change in the united states had very little to do with it.

[exitseven]

When the largest economy in the world starts to sputter it spreads across the whole globe.

[Smashingdoozy]

@exitseven absolutely but if the US economy going into the toilet was the ONLY thing that happened it wouldn't have had such a significant effect world wide. Significant in the United States absolutely. But that doesn't cause gas prices to rise globally... A war started by the country who exports the most amount of crude oil in the world... Well that'll do it.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@Smashingdoozy yeah a war that has nothing to do with us and yeah we are heavily dependent on another country’s fossil fuel is because like @Pterodon already told you; Mr biden shut down our oil drilling industry

[Smashingdoozy]

@Filthy_Immigrant USA exports it's oil. The amount of oil the USA produces isn't enough to supply the country. Selling it overseas actually keeps gas prices lower in the country.

[Pterodon]

Wrong. We import oil under biden. Under Trump we exported for the first time in 75 years. You know nothing of the petroleum industry

[Smashingdoozy]

No... We've been exporting oil since it became legal under Obama in 2015/16. What you're referring to is the united states becoming a "net exporter" which means it now exports more than it imports.

[Pterodon]

We don’t have any to export. Biden shut it down

[Smashingdoozy]

www.eia.gov/.../main.svg

"Since 2010, the United States has exported more refined petroleum products, including distillate fuel oil, hydrocarbon gas liquids, and motor gasoline, among others, than it has imported. Net exports of refined petroleum products grew to 3.3 million b/d in 2020 and remained about the same in 2021. We expect petroleum product net exports will reach new highs of 3.6 million b/d in 2022 and 3.8 million b/d in 2023."

[Pterodon]

Not working is it

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@Smashingdoozy that makes absolutely no sense

[Smashingdoozy]

I think exporting 3.8 million barrels a day is working... https://ibb.co/F5z7Ztn like...

2017 there was total 422,519 million barrels exported from the USA.

In 2022 there was 1,315,627 billion barrels exported from the USA.

Which number is higher? 🤓

[Smashingdoozy]

@Filthy_Immigrant it does make sense you just don't understand it. There's a difference.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@Smashingdoozy then why was gas in 2027 less than half the price that it is today?

[Smashingdoozy]

@Filthy_Immigrant I'll assume you mean 2017 because I'm pretty sure you're not from the future 😆

That's because Russia and Ukraine weren't at war and there was no sanctions. As I have said countless times the pandemic and the war on Ukraine are the cause for price increases.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

@Smashingdoozy yeah, ever heard of a typo? I’m pretty sure you’re autocorrect works against you every now and then too.

Till NO, the war with Russia and Ukraine has nothing to do with us. Gas skyrocketed way before the war between those 2 started.

Like @Pterodon already told you the reason why gas is high right now is because your dumbass president, the one you voted for decided to join Europe at banning oil drilling

[Smashingdoozy]

@Filthy_Immigrant yeah. Ever heard of a joke?

As I said. Again. Covid 19 AND the war on Ukraine is the reason for price increases.

Evidently oil is still being drilled in the USA because we are exporting MORE than we did in 2017 under Trump. Honestly the facts are right Infront of you and you're choosing to ignore them it's stupid at this point.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

repeating it nonstop does not automatically mean you are correct @Smashingdoozy

and if your last statement is correct then its obviously not working in our favor at all because once again gasoline was WAY cheaper back in 2017 then what it is now and why the fuck our we exporting our oil that belongs to us to other country? if it was drilled in our property then that oil is ours unless we sell it.

"Honestly the facts are right Infront of you and you're choosing to ignore them it's stupid at this point."

sounds like you are projecting with Cognitive dissonance on this one

[Smashingdoozy]

@Filthy_Immigrant overseas oil even after shippings costs is cheaper than domestically produced oil. The cost of getting the oil out of the ground is a lot cheaper in other countries as well as land and labor costs. There is also the fact that for years the US didn't have the capacity to sustain itself so it was reliant on imported oil, so the majority of the refining capacity in the country is catered to heavier more sulphuric oil. Whereas the oil that is drilled from the US is lighter and less sulphuric.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

[Smashingdoozy]

@Filthy_Immigrant what a wonderful gif you found of me trying to explain basic economics to grown ass adults who should have learned it at some point in their life.

You can fact check everything I said. Have a good one, or a bad one, I really don't care. I'm done talking to morons.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

"I'm done talking to morons."

I should be telling you that cause just when I thought you couldnt sound more moronic yourself you now dug your own grave even deeper by using bitcass "Fact Check" as your source

[Filthy_Immigrant]

bitchass* in case you decide to go English teacher on me again

[Smashingdoozy]

@Filthy_Immigrant fine I'll do it for you since you're apparently lazy.
www.eia.gov/.../faq.php
www.eia.gov/.../LeafHandler.ashx
tradingeconomics.com/united-states/oil-exports
www.google.com/.../what-causes-inflation%3famp
www.abc10.com/.../103-f88f9eee-53b5-499b-8cd4-7d3eff71dc32
www.washingtonpost.com/.../
www.entrepreneur.com/.../444482

[provokeesmokee]

Lmao, no, I think it's mostly the GOP, DOJ, and various intelligence communities trying to stop him.

The DOJ indictment ought to, if American law upholds, y'know, its own laws.

I'm a Leftist and I'd love to see him run. So many people hate him, he's gonna split the DeSantis faction, and the GOP will be freaking out.

I don't think he'd win, but we would get new content on the various late night shows.

[runnerboy]

I will be 18 in September and I do not care about what party a candidate is in. I care about the person, her/his honesty, ethics and their ability to take care of the environment. I do not consider myself left or right... I'm only 17 but I would never vote for Trump. He is a serial liar and an international embarrassment.

[Justneedtokno]

I am not a part of the left or right but because he’s a businessman and I don’t consider him a president. At least some of the other people have gone through Senate or some form of government. Not just the military history this plays a big deal. Having some knowledge of the job that you’re trying to do helps.

[LordOfThePines]

It is not so much fear, but people that aren't his supporters are tired of his behavior, how his supporters behave, his policy choices and his frequent lying.

Now, do I support Biden or Clinton? No, certainly not. I don't support criminals, so please don't misunderstand, I am not on the left. I am just me.

[exitseven]

He will show Americans that America First policies will put the country back on the righrt track. I also think he will be looking for a big can of payback too.

[msc545]

@exitseven Trump is going to prison.

[exitseven]

@msc545 He might be going to prison but he will still win the election and will pardon himself and the Jan6th prisoners.

[msc545]

That is not going to happen.

[exitseven]

@msc545 It will be the biggest comeback in American history and we will be fortunate enough to witness it.

[msc545]

again, please don't hold your breath.

[Malcom_Reynolds]

I kinda doubt most of that. Him going to prison is a long shot at best. Even if convicted I see them rationalizing a reason to avoid that.

I'm also pretty sure that most in the legal profession do not believe that a president can pardon himself. Wouldn't stop Trump from trying, but I don't know how much it would hold up.

[msc545]

@Malcom_Reynolds The thing is, he is not remorseful and so impaired as to be a danger to literally all of us. He has terrible judgment and no insight into the inappropriateness of his own behavior. The court or the jury will not let a guy like that run around free, and prison is the only place to put him unless a hospital is available.

[Anonymous]

It isn’t just the left, it’s also real Republicans who see Trump for what he is. He’s damaged goods and needs to go away.

[Kayla45]

I can't imagine him running again especially after all the hot water he's already been in. Nobody really trusts him anymore.

[Malcom_Reynolds]

That gives him all the more reason to run. If he wins then his legal battles largely get put on pause. Having said that, so many internal departments are going to resist working with him given how much of their information he exposed.

[mobiusforniner]

Why does the right find reasons to protect a guilty criminal amidst damning evidence?

[Pterodon]

He hasn’t been found guilty yet

[mobiusforniner]

Agree. What would you say if he was?

[Pterodon]

I’d say Biden’s next then hunter

[McLlovin]

As much as politicians need our votes they also need friends among their peers. My guess is Trump is the new kid among politicians and they don’t like him

[DiegoO]

Why are you keen to think that the right is any better than the left? It's politics. Both apport something positive when they run moderately. Problem comes when they are used for extreme ideals.

[SassyAussieAddy]

He won once so I imagine that is why they are concerned

[Malcom_Reynolds]

Biden beat him once, so Dem leadership thinks he can do it again. Anyone who's looking at polls is questioning that.

[KetoJames]

I understand why the establishment is afraid of him, but I don't understand why the voters are. It makes no sense.

[Malcom_Reynolds]

Biden's polling is so low and he barely won last time.

[KetoJames]

@Malcom_Reynolds

I think the Dems will dump him and go with Hillary.

[Malcom_Reynolds]

I doubt it. No one likes her (except admittedly Dem leadership). I think them dumping Biden is pretty unlikely. And in the million to one odds they do, Buttigieg would be my guess

[KetoJames]

@Malcom_Reynolds
Biden is getting too embarrassing for them. He can't even remember his lies. If Pete doesn't mind looking like a fool, he might do.

[Malcom_Reynolds]

He is embarrassing, but I don't think that'll stop them.

[KetoJames]

@Malcom_Reynolds

When you campaign from your basement, can't answer questions, can't debate, and can't even read a teleprompter, it's time to get someone else.

[Malcom_Reynolds]

Campaigning from your basement was a choice based on the situation (AKA the pandemic). Not the one I would've made but doesn't say anything about competence.

He answers questions as well as any other politician. Answers some, dodges some, and lies in some. He has some noteworthy gaffs, but that's about it.

And I'm not sure the can't read a teleprompter is a reference to. I watched his State of the Union address and the speech where he got compared to Hitler. Don't know what to say there.

He has his age related issues for sure, but those aren't the biggest problem. He's polling in the 30s. It used to be that an incumbent polling under 50 was considered a massive problem. He hasn't accomplished anything and people don't really like him. The only thing he's got, and it was the thing that got him elected in the first place, is he's not Trump. And Trump's been gone for long enough that people aren't as afraid of what four more years of him will look like anymore.

[Hannajenky]

• If you do not understand why trump should not be president then you don’t get to sit at the big boy table anymore….

[Pterodon]

But Biden’s ok?

[Hannajenky]

This question is about trump

[Pterodon]

All I know is I was better off under Trump

[Hannajenky]

Because of Obamas policies most likely

[Pterodon]

Not a single one. His policies were disastrous. Remember NAFTA?

[Hannajenky]

No thanks, the question is about trump

[Pterodon]

You brought up Obama

[Chevy1_kb]

I hate trump a lot of people do he's evil that's why he will destroy everything

[msc545]

We are afraid of him provoking more riots or stealing more top secret documents.

[Sixgunsound]

Tell me you don't own a mirror without telling me you don't own a mirror🤣

[Smashingdoozy]

@Sixgunsound tell me you don't know how to use this phrase without telling me.

[Sixgunsound]

@Smashingdoozy it is neither my fault nor problem if you are so unfamiliar with mirrors that looking into one is not something you have any experience with. If I might suggest trying it on occasion, you might find it useful😆 Great job on the self-own however, I needed the laugh.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Sixgunsound it's funny when people are so confidently wrong.

[Sixgunsound]

@Smashingdoozy it is, isn't it😂

[Smashingdoozy]

@Sixgunsound tell me. How is msc545 going to steal top secret documents? How has he in the past? How has he provoked riots?

Because that is what you're saying when you use that phrase the way you did.

[msc545]

@Smashingdoozy I will just interject that I don't steal anything or provoke riots, and never have and don't intend to.

[Smashingdoozy]

Oh I believe you 😂 this man is tryna use slang and phrases without understanding them and it's hilarious

[Filthy_Immigrant]

Cause he has a lot of proof and evidence that will exposed all of their nwo agendas. Not only is being a multibillion aire in his dna but he also has connections with the real government as well

[annabananna]

I lean more right and I’m scared of him running because he is too divisive.

[Pterodon]

And Biden isn’t?

[annabananna]

I’m also scared for him to be president again too.

[DaBiggestBird]

Truth
Really
Upsets
Most
People


Credit for this goes to a t-shirt I saw online,

[LiamJHayden]

I am not sure they are. I think they are far more afraid of DeSantis, as he could have a lot of appeal to independents.

[tfan1]

Because he knows all of their dirty little secrets and how to take them down 👍🙂

[Malcom_Reynolds]

Does he? He had 4 years and we didn't see much. He took down more of his own administration than anything else.

[imfreeze95]

Because they know he has dirt on them and if he gets back in office they are f—ked

[KrakenAttackin]

Because they can't control him.

[shortster]

Because he might dismantle the deep state.

[Malcom_Reynolds]

4 years and he didn't do anything about it. You sure about that?

[shortster]

Not much, but now he has a reason to. Really it is the only thing that makes sense why they keep throwing ridiculously weak indictments at him hoping something sticks.

[Malcom_Reynolds]

He ran on it in 2016. He already had reason to.

I agree with the weak indictments observation. The problem is the powerful don't like holding the powerful to account. Because that means one day they could be held to account.

[shortster]

I thought he ran on building the border wall in 2016? That and not being Hillary Clinton. Personally I was hoping to vote for Rand Paul in 2016; but he didn't stay in the race long enough for me to vote for him in the primary.

[Malcom_Reynolds]

I mean, every candidate has multiple things they campaign on. Build The Wall and Lock Her Up were definitely big slogans, but so was Drain The Swamp. He vowed to get rid of all the corruption that took place there. And none of the corruption stopped. I'd argue he made it way worse, but even if you disagree there, it's not like there was four years of no corruption and then it came flooding back in once Trump left.

[shortster]

I don't know. I feel like republican voters were pushing the swamp drainage in 2016. And Trump didn't really get behind it whole heartedly until 2020.

[Malcom_Reynolds]

I feel like Trump latched on to it pretty quickly, though may be misremembering. I think it was part of his running the country like a business idea. He also famously mentioned how easy it was to buy politicians because he had done it before.

[Fuentes]

Cause their delusional.

[Anonymous]

I don't know they seem triggered