Did you know 1895 case, Pollock v. Farmers’ Loan and Trust Company, the Supreme Court found that directly taxing Americans’ income was unconstitution?

[humanearth]

And the government been collecting taxes on citizens all this time.

What do you think about that?

[Anonymous]

Yes, and as other mentioned that's why the progressives passed the 16th amendment decade later.

Still the Federal Constitution omitted the power to direct people directly for a good reason. It is best for the Federal Goverment is by design to have a little direct power over the individual as possible.

This is to maximize that individuals freedom to vote both with their feet and their ballots (competing only against the nearby & more similarly situated people of their state).

Practically our control over Washington is far more limited precisely because we can't vote with our feet and our issues and interest differ soo radically from people in a completely different geographic, economic, political, and climatic environment on the other side of the continent.

[Static_In_The_Attic]

It Was Nullified!

[humanearth]

Thats because they were bribed

[Static_In_The_Attic]

Presidential paper & green mail is what it’s all about & I’m sure laws were passed that way too.

[humanearth]

Because I been reading. and up to 1909 people in congress, senate and the general public had protest to prevent this from happening

As soon as Taft becomes president Its passed

sounds fishy to

[Static_In_The_Attic]

Nowadays if they want to pass a bill they go down to the west wing breakout the cocaine.

[humanearth]

right

[TrueConfection]

Yes, and the conspiracy theorists were criticized when they argued against the amendment saying that some day the, "tax could reach as high as 3%!"

[TrueConfection]

Gracias!

[SaoirseS]

The decision was superseded in 1909 by passage of the 16th Amendment.

[humanearth]

Are you talking about this:
When Taft was concerned that rambunctious lawmakers in both parties would push ahead with plans for a new income tax, ignoring the court’s 1895 decision that such a tax (at least as previously conceived) was unconstitutional. Taft believed that enacting such a tax could damage the court's authority.

A debate raged anew in Congress, with Democrats and progressive Republicans rallying to back a new income tax, while GOP leaders in both the House and Senate remained strongly against the idea.

“While support for the income tax skewed Democratic, there were a reasonably large number of Republicans who supported the levy, too,”

[SaoirseS]

No, I'm talking about the outcome:
"ARTICLE XVI. The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

Taxing Americans, WITHOUT REPRESENTATION, is illegal.

Remember, no taxation, without representation. What our forefathers were saying, we don't want a king, we want a democracy. We should be able to have a say in what happens, not a king half way across the world

Why republicucks, refuse to understand this, I'll never know

[gorydetails]

I’d rather have no taxation and no representation than the taxation and “representation” we have now. You win the daily award for the dumbest strawman argument, as well.

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

@gorydetails Wow, could you be any dumber

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

@gorydetails And I've reported you

[OddBeMe]

Interesting! I knew that the Civil War started a number things, income tax and the draft…

But unfortunately for sovereign citizens the 16th Amendment passed and added to the constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

[exitseven]

I have heard of this. There is a constitutional amendment that allows the government to collect taxes.

[richardcory]

OK, lets say it was. If we get rid of the income tax, how do we support the government?

[humanearth]

Thats the best part, we dissolve it

[richardcory]

Dissolve the government? You remember the Life of Brian skit about "what have the Romans done for us?".

How could modern society possibly exist without government. Are you imagining a Somalia like situation with local warlords?

[humanearth]

Thats what Biden and Trump are warlords

[richardcory]

Warlords? How? The US military isn't permitted to operate inside the US, and it doesn't. There are courts, police etc. its not a all like an area run by a warlord.

[MysticDevice]

Taxation is theft. It doesn't stop being theft just cause they spent it on you.

[Likes2drive]

Well, I’m sure they changed that or amended it real fast afterwards