I listened to a really good Ben Shapiro podcast yesterday about how the mass media is finally paying attention to the negative trends that are happening to men (singlehood, addictions, depression, suicide rates, lower paying jobs, etc.).
Ben also criticized the “Andrew Tate” approach of embracing toxic masculinity to fight back at toxic femininity. He argued that while Andrew Tate’s diagnosis of what modern feminism and society has done to men is spot on he is also giving a horrible resolution by encouraging his followers to be a macho manwhore who bangs dozens of 19 year olds. That won’t lead to long term happiness either (not possible for most guys anyway).
Ben argued that men and women were designed by Mother Nature to be bound together for companionship and reproduction. Married men usually improve in work and how they interact in society because they have a purpose to support their wives and kids.
Anyway if we can help it let’s try to leave politics out of this. I know many people hate Ben’s political stances but let’s try to focus on what is really best for men and women.
Personally I’m no saint. But I do work hard, make good money, try to treat people right, try to be decent to women (unless they give me a reason not to be), I stay in good physical shape, etc. However the disrespect I have gotten from “modern” women when I was being respectful to begin has jaded and depressed me over the years. It wasn’t a single event but several consecutive bad experiences that got to me. Made me a lot more distrustful and bitter. It’s also made me indulge some vices I am not proud of either. Not to make up excuses but I did look for escapes when I get lonely and depressed.
But back to the main point. Again Mother Nature intended to bound men and women together for companionship and reproduction. This is why the institution of marriage was created. But you can’t harm over one half of humanity without ultimately harming yourself.
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I think we’re all better as people and as humans when we find a compatible partner we team up well with. Many women and men are very lost on what that actually looks like for them and how to get there.
I believe there are better role models for men than Andrew Tate. Ben is right. There are negative consequences for emulating many of his visible characteristics, and I think a lot of men only see the glamorous parts of his lifestyle because that’s the parts he wants you to see. For anyone who’s been paying attention, we now know that Tate is an absentee father to over 10 children with several different mothers. He’s raising none of those children, which is sad. He’s also known for questionable business ventures and personal relationships. But men love him because his advice sells men the permission to indulge to various forms of self gratifying debauchery and still come out on top.
As far as methods go, I think it’s important to actively listen to each other and their needs. Don’t just listen to what people say, listen to what they don’t say, and watch what they do. Come from a place of empathy and understanding. Remember that everyone has their own preferences, experiences, and goals. Then, offer realistic solutions and ideas.
I agree with what you said above. But I’m talking about the larger issues that are causing problems to begin with.
Men are partially to blame for creating porn, social media, dating apps and enabling the worst in women. For example I personally think OnlyFans is the absolute worst of the worst. It gives women easy accessibility and quick/easy money by objectifying their bodies. Given it’s “safe” (they don’t have to actually engage in sex nor work for a porn company) it has actively enabled many women to do this crap vs. probably never doing porn/prostitution given the risks and barriers in a different time era. But in the long run the quick money harms women and lowers both their respectability and their long term self esteem. A few years ago I was in a casual (legit) relationship with a girl who does in real life. I met her in the apartment complex I lived in at the time.
She asked if I could be her boyfriend at one point. I considered it (she was very beautiful) but she kept on indulging crap that had no future. I just didn’t trust her.
Also I radical feminism rarely if ever tells women that they need to be accountable for the mistakes they make with men. Instead it considers the relationship between men and women “a war” and women are being “oppressed” by patriarchy.
So predictably this enables many women to be their worst. Then they screw over men which causes men to get jaded and depressed. They then turn to guys like Andrew Tate and attempt to fight toxic femininity with toxic masculinity. Then decent women might get screwed but a toxic male. Many turn to modern feminism. The horrible cycle continues.
@mzash what you said about Andrew Tate is right. I didn’t know he had 10-12 kids. Him being an absentee father to them is NOT okay. That is NOT being a real man. No.
It would be a different story if he was an active duty soldier and something like happened. But he is just embracing the moment. Learning about this just makes him respect a whole lot less. If he wants to f*ck around he could at least he could wrap it.
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