What do you think of RFK Jr's thoughts on censorship?

[Juxtapose]

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[goaded]

You know your government can't censor its critics, right? They're probably even avoiding legislating the issue of whether Trump incited the riot in his speech on Jan 6 on first amendment grounds. (I'd say it's an exception: he knew they were armed, he called them to DC, he sent them to the Capitol, and he lied about what was happening there "we won", "fight like hell or you're not going to have a country any more"; sounds like "speech that incites imminent lawless action" to me.)

Yes, it's bad when the government does it, but corporations should be free to refuse to host defamation, lies, and misinformation if they want to. In fact they should be encouraged to. (Republicans are trying to ensure that as much as possible of both are published.)

If you had a digital-age justice system: "you called him this online, what's your proof?", "I heard it online", "2 days in jail, $20 fine if you say who from", it wouldn't be a problem, but when it takes years and $$$$ for defamation cases to come to trial, it's a recipe for disaster. I'd be satisfied with requiring social media sites inform everyone who saw misinformation (they know who), and not continue until it's acknowledged.

By the way, the British government censored everything in WWII. Still free. (German government, too, but we're free despite that!)

[goaded]

Oh, here's the whole hearing, it's long, but at about 25 minutes in, someone points out that RFK Jr. gets 10 minutes instead of the usual 5 minutes allowed for witnesses, and Jordan says equity is censorship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OokHd05Tq4E

[goaded]

Jeez, he's talking about how he's censored and how people need to be talking to each other with the biggest megaphone in the world; the US Congress. Wait: "I was censored by the Trump administration"?

"I've never been anti-vaccine"? His own family told him he was totally wrong about vaccines, before the pandemic!

[goaded]

"I've never been anti-vaccine"? His own family told him he was totally wrong about vaccines, before the pandemic! And wasn't he under oath?

[Juxtapose]

You are woefully ignorant of how hard my government censors the fuck out of people.

And no, Britain and Germany are not free. Do you really think you are free? Then go out on ahead and publicly deny the Holocaust ever happened to practice your free speech.

[Juxtapose]

I don't care what his family thinks about vaccines and as soon as the event started they had a motion to get rid of him lol.

[goaded]

I'm trying to watch the hearing, but the stupidity is making my head hurt. Jordan thinks there's some significance in ASAP (As Soon As Possible) being in caps, but that's how you're meant to write it!

RFK Jr. thinks the peaceful death of an 86 year old man in his sleep must be related to his having the vaccine weeks earlier and not, you know, what happens to 86 year old men daily. His claim of “a wave of suspicious deaths among elderly closely following administration of #COVID #vaccines.” is pure bullshit, which is why Twitter was being asked to flag it as misinformation.

[Lliam]

The Constitution says "Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech..." Period.
It doesn't say "except for shouting fire in a crowded theater... or hurting someone's feelings."

Every public official swears an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. So those who attempt to circumvent it are criminals.

You can pass laws against things like slander, inciting violence, threatening physical harm, but not against sharing information, thoughts or opinions.

Postal services and telecommunications were free from censorship. Internet giants are now the primary means of communication and should be treated like telecommunications companies. They have no business deciding which information is legitimate. Blocking and censoring information should be illegal. FUCK their right to do what they want with their private business. If they don't like it, get in another business.

[Karen444]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/WxXepkdJHko

Joe Biden is the first retarded president.

Just put the mask on your chin. People will believe anything.

Joey the clown said that making America great again was racist.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/voMW-P9bU8I

It's OK to hate Trump, but why choose a retarded Dem? Gas stoves are bad, but flying to Deleware every weekend is good?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/BuSoigCk5QQ

This is who you chose over Dems with brains.

[madhatters4]

i think the fact that this loon is getting so much attention as a presidential candidate is evidence of a broken system. it won't go anywhere but i remember a time when our elections used to be serious stuff. now any dim wit with money who can plug into people's insecurities can make a a name for themselves. absurd

[Juxtapose]

Found another boot licker for the establishment.

[madhatters4]

sure because i think a conspiracy theorist spouting idiot getting attention is nonsense means i'm pro-establishment. sound logic

[Juxtapose]

That's just deep state speak for: "they're onto us".

The FBI invented the term "conspiracy theorist" and we all know how trustworthy the FBI has been 😅

[Juxtapose]

I bet you bought that Dr. Anthony Fauci narrative hook, line and sinker.. didn't you?

[RealMarek]

@Juxtapose Dr. Fauci said he is science. Who are we to disagree with Holy Science?

[Soteris]

Nah, he is being promoted by the Republicans because they think he will sabotage the Democrats. Seriously, if you look at it then the only people that actually talk about him and bring him up all the time is Republicans.

[Juxtapose]

What a load of contrived nonsense.

[madhatters4]

@Soteris bingo

[madhatters4]

yeah he's just backed by The Heal the Divide Super PAC that support other MAGA republicans because RFK Jr is such a liberal.

who's the boot licker. it's such a shame that people are so into their ideology they can't see facts.

[Soteris]

Meaningless nonsense. Censorship is a normal part of government throughout history. Saying that it leads to totalitarianism is like saying history has been nothing but totalitarianism since the beginning of society. Even if there might be a grain of truth in what he says, it is destroyed by the egregious oversimplification he just made to the point where he is saying nothing at all.

Its also worth pointing out that just like how censorship can lead governments down totalitarianism as he claims, so too can "freedom of speech" lead society down totalitarianism such as what happened in Germany after WW1. Either way the argument is retarded. It is something that a politician says that sounds good in the moment while all the average people watches on and nods as if they understood anything.

[Avicenna]

He's completely right. And the leftists currently overjoyed about others being censored may one day wonder why they are being censored as well.

Censorship is one of the biggest hallmarks of a totalitarian regime.

[Juxtapose]

Yep, and never in history has the good guys been on the side of censorship as far as I am concerned. I listen to these people that wanted to censor him be interviewed and their excuses were so snide and ignorant.

"We don't want that bigotry here."

"He's not being censored, he just can't speak right in that building."

[Juxtapose]

I legitimately despise the woke left.

[Avicenna]

Yeah, they are totalitarians, and no different from past and current ones, either.

[RealMarek]

The brand of leftist who is overjoyed about censorship has deep-seated motivation to use politics as a way to feel he is power, and in many cases to demonstrate loyalty to power. If dissident conservatives cast the elite out of power tomorrow and set up a conservative government, most of these midwits would change their tune on a dime and support the new elite.

[RealMarek]

I meant to say “…he is powerful.”

[Exterminatore]

Generally speaking I’d have to agree, although I must admit I don’t believe in free speech to the extent we have it.


Should it be legal to say a man can become a woman? No. What about saying there are 234000 genders. No. What about saying that transgenderism is normal and anyone who doesn’t approve is full of hate and a transophobe? Nope.


These things should not be allowed to be widely promoted via free speech. They should be censored and silenced.


I have no problem with limited censorship where curbing Woke culture is involved. Saying these things is a harm to everyone.

[exitseven]

I watched a little bit of his hearing yesterday. It was a disgrace. He is being portrayed ad a nutcase because the democrats are afraid of him. He is polling on top in the New Hampshire primary already

[goaded]

He's being portrayed as a nutcase because he's said a lot of stupid stuff.

[exitseven]

@goaded I can remember him as a kid that spit ice cream in a cops face on Cape Cod years ago. He still has the same face.

[goaded]

Have a look at my Opinion.

[exitseven]

@goaded He is not really a nutcase. He has been studying vaccines for a long time, long before Covid and has access to a lot of information that regular people could not get. Vaccines are really the only thing he has though.

[goaded]

Yeah, he is. He's been pushing the debunked autism thing for ages. If he has "access to a lot of information that regular people could not get", he has yet to release it.

[RealMarek]

Whatever one thinks about RFK in general, he is right about censorship. Once the government goes down the path of curating political speech, authoritarianism is inevitable.

[Massageman]

RFK would have been a bleeding conservative 50 years ago!

[BoopBoopBeep]

It's not often that I agree with a Kennedy. This is certainly one of those times.

[LiamJHayden]

I agree. I have no issue with conceding that a privately controlled site, like GAG for instance, can limit my speech. I do however have serious problems with such sites being pressured or coerced to do so by government entities.

[goaded]

Do you draw a distinction between the government reporting probable breaches of T&C and other users? The only difference I can see is that I suspect their reports are more likely to be accurate.

[LiamJHayden]

@goaded I guess it would depend upon whether they simply report it or use a veiled threat to do so. I get they want to monitor sites to make sure terrorists and wannabes are not using them to recruit or the such. My concern is more about pressuring people to censor those who might criticize Biden or Trump or Obama or W or their representatives or senators or other political leaders.

[goaded]

I can see that, but if they do it in writing and the social media company disagrees, it would come out in seconds.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

I don't know what to think, he's only got 16 % in the polls.

[Juxtapose]

Poll numbers are quite irrelevant lol.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

@Juxtapose Yes, I agree with you, I just hate to see election night if the election is Trump VS Biden some people say they support a third party so who knows

[DJB72]

I think RFKjr is suicidal. His father and uncle both died for voicing the same concerns decades ago

[OddBeMe]

You know what’s funny? Every totalitarian in history has railed against censorship and not being free.

[gorydetails]

Of course. The modern democrat party, everyone.

[goaded]

You know he's a Democrat, right?

[gorydetails]

@goaded yup, but not one of you leftist cunts. He’s got a brain.

[goaded]

Insults? So soon? You usually wait until you've obviously lost the debate... Oh, wait.

[gorydetails]

@goaded there’s no debate. He’s a democrat. The modern democrats are cunts.

[goaded]

That one is, no debate.

[gorydetails]

@goaded yes, he’s a democrat. Like is uncle and father. Who were murdered by the CIA. So he understands the dangers of the deep state.

[goaded]

You're funny.

[gorydetails]

@goaded They appreciate you being their little bitch boy.

[goaded]

You didn't even know he was a Democrat, did you?

[gorydetails]

@goaded you really are an idiot, aren’t you.

[goaded]

No, you are.

[gorydetails]

@goaded It’s got to be embarrassing for you to be on the attack against a Kennedy who talked about how censorship was the first step to totalitarianism during a hearing on censorship just before he was censored by a lefty pos.

[goaded]

So now insisting that everyone gets the same time period (5 minutes) is censorship? I'd say attempting to give the spoiler twice as long as anyone else was unfair on everyone else.

[gorydetails]

@goaded what’s that ugly bitch with the ramen noodle hair? She tried to kick him out of the hearing.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded "Kennedy was initially given 10 minutes to make his opening remarks even though witnesses usually get only five minutes, prompting the top Democrat on the panel, Delegate Stacey Plaskett of the U. S. Virgin Islands, to demand the extra time be removed from the clock.

“If you want to cut him off and censor him some more, you’re welcome to,” Jordan replied."

[Juxtapose]

He was given 10 minutes and they tried to take it away from him. That's censorship, if it had been one of their people that had gotten the 10 minutes they would not be complaining.

[goaded]

He is "one of their people", he's a Democrat. The rule is that everyone gets 5 minutes; the only reason to give him more would be to use him against the Democrats.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded so you assume.

[nolabels]

He's right on target.

[KostasKouvalis]

I don't believe him that he's a Democrat

[Anonymous]

I don't really beleive him

[Pterodon]

He’s right