Why do so many men have such strong opinions against abortion?

[Hello4242]

[BCRanger10]

Because it's perfectly reasonable and acceptable for someone to have an opinion on an issue like abortion and the ethics and morality surrounding it.

Men are part of the equation. As tradesmen, businessmen, and construction workers, men build economies. As police officers and firefighters, we protect society. As farmers, we feed society. As soldiers, we defend society from our enemies. And ultimately, as husbands and fathers, we literally create children and families, the most basic building block of states and nations.

We make significant contributions to the life of society. We have a stake in it. That being so, we are perfectly allowed to have opinions against abortion.

Plus, if the pro-choice side is to be logically consistent on "no uterus, no opinion", then I want to know what they'd have to say about these...

[Anonymous]

For me it's because many, or the most prominent women on the subject, have been exceedingly selfish. I'm not of the opinion a baby just pools into existence. It IS a clump of cells for a period of time. That being said, that clump of cells absolutely is not just hers. Those cells derive from both her and I. And it's wrong for her to just say "yeah, I'm going to terminate it."

Think of it like a company. If you and I start q company, and even if you do 90% of the work, if you wanted to terminate the company, should I not have a say as the co-owner or the company?

And none of this even considers the fact some people do believe the baby is a baby while (I'd claim) it's still just a clump of cells. And since science has proven everyone wrong time and time again, you and I can't definitively say we're right and those clump of cells aren't a conscious baby.

Look, I know it's unfair. SHE has to go through 9 months of pregnancy. But that's the risk you took, it's also the risk he took. I feel the same way if the roles were reversed and he had risky unprotected sex that resulted in a baby and he wanted it terminated but she didn't. He'd have to live with it and pay child support and everything else.

But it's not right for someone to not only take something that is partially yours, especially when it's living matter that one day will (or would) be your song or daughter, and decide to terminate it.

[davado88]

there are a small number of people on here who instead of giving succinct answers. Give 5 hour lectures. Most likely because they think they sound intelligent.
You dont. If intelligent you'd edit your point down to a couple of sentences.
like i do

[Masterodd]

Hello... EXACTLY.

[Opinion Owner]

I can make loose assumptions, too.

There are a small number of people who feel like merely being in opposition to something makes them intellectually superior to the opposed. You're not. If intelligent, you'd support your stance with evidence.

Childlike behavior aside, you're welcome to refute anything I've said. I welcome your input but I can't say I feel all that compelled to concern myself over your opinion.

[SakuraBlossoms87]

The thing is, is as a co owner of a business you are expected to contribute or the company will get rid of you. Co owner or not you'll be a burden dragging the company down for a failure of existence.

I've only dated 2 men & never had an abortion. But working in medical I'll be blunt. Majority of abortions are due to the fact that the "man" in the relationship contributes little value except sperm donation. Or he was cowardly and upon learning of the woman's pregancy ran away like a kicked dog.

[Opinion Owner]

That doesn't answer my question. If we both co-own the company, should it solely be up to you to terminate it? Or should I, a co-owner, have a say in whether the company is terminated?

But yes, as a co-owner I am expected to. And in many ways, and in most cases, a man does. Most men and women get pregnant intentionally. During those 9 months, the man is working as well to provide for her and is physically taking care of his pregnant spouse/significant other. I was just using "90%" to reference the biological work of developing a baby inside of you, that a man does not have to deal with.

Also, if I am a co-owner of a company, I don't see how someone could forcefully get rid of me. But even so, that doesn't really apply to abortion.

And you can say that with the majority of abortions the man provides very little (which is anecdotal), but that doesn't mean "all men should not have a say on abortion." That'd be collectivism and it'd be saying that it's okay to neglect and harm the few if (debatably) the majority benefits.

[SakuraBlossoms87]

Majority of abortions are due to the fact that the "man" in the relationship contributes little value except sperm donation. Or he was cowardly and upon learning of the woman's pregancy ran away like a kicked dog.

[Opinion Owner]

You've already said that, and I've already addressed that point.

[Opinion Owner]

And you've not addressed any of my posts.

[Opinion Owner]

Points*

[Apple1996]

Because they want to control what women do with their bodies and don't understand how difficult pregnancy, birth, raising a child is for woman compared to what men go through as a parent. They think it's easy to keep the baby even tho it's not

[Masterodd]

Fuck Apple... really... you're going to stand behind that BS answer (My Body... My Choice)
Please give a man the respect to know what giving birth is all about... I'm a Man and I most likely know more about birth than you do (considering I'm twice ur age and have delivered 5 babies myself.)
Now granted most men are stupid, knock a girl up, and go on to the next girl...
But don't throw up shit about (oh how hard it is to have a baby... Im a girl and men don't know..)

[Apple1996]

@Masterodd I've had 4 babies and delivered 2 of them. With one of my pregnancies i has issues that almost killed me and the baby. Pregnancy can literally be deadly. I would never blame a woman that didn't want to risk that. It's her body that has to be sacrificed during pregnancy not the man's. If i would have died guess what? My husband still would be have been here alive and healthy

[davado88]

i dont give a flying fk what women do with their bodies, Or their babies, they can kill them for all i care or molest them.. my answer to the question was considered and true as it always is when it emerges from my brainpan. Because it is inherently evil

[Apple1996]

@davado88 but in some cases it's also evil to force a girl to give birth

[davado88]

you're boring me. you have the opposite opinion to me but aren't smart enough to make a convincing argument. Correct?

[Apple1996]

@davado88 I'm not trying to argue with anyone

[davado88]

abortion is evil i should say not my brainpan. (as far as im aware)

[Apple1996]

@davado88 well good thing you won't ever be in the situation to have a abortion so it's not something to stress about

[davado88]

im not stressed honeybunch just taking a rest here from mah stories
Which reminds me- why are male characters in movies always neurotic these days?
its annoying

[purplepoppy]

It's nothing to to with abortion itself. They just feel the need to show they're conforming to their right wing beliefs.

[Anonymous]

It’s not just as a man, it’s being a human in general. I mean just cause I can’t bear a child doesn’t mean I don’t know right from wrong. That’s like me telling you you can’t have opinions on things like dogs if you don’t own one. Or on the military, or a number of a million other things that you don’t have or do.

[BootsLover94]

These men do not know how to mind their own business.

[petera1987]

It's everyone's business, because you don't have the "right" to kill the defenceless, and all because you may have "made a mistake", or it's "inconvenient" to have children.

[Hello4242]

@petera1987 are you republican or Christian or both?

[Peanut_Lemon]

@petera1987 So? It's your body, its the temple you take care of. What if some woman made it a law to cut off your balls because some of bigoted reason? You'd possibly feel conflicted and would want to have a say in it.
Please educate yourself before you put down senseless comments such as yours.

[Masterodd]

It's my sperm!! I do have an opinion... stop killing babies and give them to the father!

[Masterodd]

stupid and unrelated.

[Masterodd]

@Peanut_Lemon really... castration vs murder... wow you should have been aborted.

[Peanut_Lemon]

@Masterodd I know! And you're the reason condoms should be worn at all times!

[petera1987]

I'm neither a Christian nor a republican.

[RedInnocent68]

Because they can’t mind their own business. Unless it’s theirs or they’re going to take care of it, they’re not really a stakeholder. And even when they are, they’re second tier. First tier is always the girl and her medical circle of care.

[AviatorTom]

Abortion is a difficult topic, and most people (man or woman) have strong opinions either for or against abortion.

[Tim2nice]

I’m a liberal and I’m so in favour of contraception but I find abortion is killing an unborn baby. There’s no sugar coating it.

[Sunnybeach123]

They feel they have more say over your body than even you, yourself, do.

[davado88]

sadly your tiny female brain has been hoodwinked. abortion isn't about a woman's body rights. Its about murdering a 3rd party.

[Sunnybeach123]

@davado88 no, it's about her rights. And there is no 3rd party, if it's early enough.

[davado88]

IF there's NO 3RD PARTY ITS NOT AN ABORTION IS IT?

[Sunnybeach123]

@davado88 no, it's an abortion.

[davado88]

please dont reply again need i tell you you're an imbecile?

[Sunnybeach123]

@davado88 no, you're the imbecile. Early on, there are abortions that do not involve 3rd parties. A third party is a human being that has a brain, a heart and nerves that feel pain.

In the beginning, none of those exist. Just a single cell, or a small number of cells. Therefore, what you have is an abortion where no 3rd party is involved.

Get it? Does that make sense?

[davado88]

no stupid it doesn't ergo my point

[Sunnybeach123]

@davado88 and my point. It doesn't make sense to you because you're stupid.

[Masterodd]

@davado88 exactly. :)

[davado88]

if i farted in your face it'd just be a bunch of cells without a central nervous system.
would you smell it? apparently not

[Hanrej]

Well, childbearing is a life necessity. Just as work is. Imagine if all men suddenly decided they wouldn't work if their work benefited a woman, would women then mind their own business and not complain?

[butterly248]

All pregnancies shouldn't be forced

[Hanrej]

@butterly248 neither should work. That's equivalent with slavery. The workers should set their own salaries.

[butterly248]

Okay

[abbyjgriffin98]

It's not just men. I am against abortion, too.

[jahaims]

You don't need to be a specific gender to dislike murder lol.

[butterly248]

It is health care

[Hello4242]

There is an evident difference in opinion based on gender.

[jahaims]

Just because they work in healthcare doesn't mean they aren't killing something. What kind of logic is that?

[butterly248]

No, abortion is health care

[jahaims]

Abortion is a part of the health care system. What about it?

[butterly248]

You aren't understanding what I'm saying. Nvm

[jahaims]

I am genuinely trying to understand what you are trying to say, and I am asking for clarification. You are doing a poor job of articulating your thoughts.

[butterly248]

Honestly I am too tired for this lol

[jahaims]

That's fine. Enjoy your day.

[butterly248]

It's 8pm now here lol but you too :)

[Masterodd]

hum... this would be a long drawn out response with haters on both sides giving me grief.

but to simply put it... IT'S MY BABY TOO, YOU DON'T GET TO KILL IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT IT.

[butterly248]

Abortion isn't murder

[Masterodd]

@butterly248... As I said... this is a long drawn-out issue... you believe what you want to believe and I will believe what I want to believe...

The next bitch that kills my baby without my consent or input or even a discussion. will have to deal with me on a whole new personal level.

Abortion IS murder = Pro-Life

[SakuraBlossoms87]

@masterodd - are you going to contribute to the bills of childcare, are you going to get up at odd hours for feedings, deal with the terrible 2s, etc., etc., etc.

I ask as someone who works in medical and seen women getting abortions because the men aren't men, they're sperm donars and have no value in her life and less than no value in the kid's life.

[Masterodd]

@SakuraBlossoms87 Yes I would... you must have missed my other post about being a father.

But as you just said "the men aren't men, they're sperm donars and have no value in her life and less than no value in the kid's life." than why in the world did she/them fuck him in the first place.
They knew he was awful but yet still decided to make a baby with him.

[SakuraBlossoms87]

@masterodd - haven't you read some of the posts on this site? Female posters asking questions about "men" - more like complete losers / douchebags / trash - that make you seriously wonder what is WRONG with them. Like there was one who was thinking of keeping her cheater "boyfriend" after he fathered a child with someone else & said he didn't wanna have anything to do with his kid. You couldn't define low-life any better than this

[sheikalana]

Well, because people can have opinions on anything they want they may be right or wrong.

[Anonymous]

Cos theyre not the ones who has to deal with it. Its all talk. Who cares about what they think. Its always gonna be up to us.

[Anonymous]

probably because murdering your babies is inherently evil

[butterly248]

Abortion is healthcare

[Opinion Owner]

@butterly248 tell that to the baby

[butterly248]

I did. God forgave me, she forgave me and now I have to forgive myself

[Opinion Owner]

@butterly248 its not my place to make you feel bad although id be wary of talking on gods behalf. Jesus is kinda nasty and vindictive with most thngs

[butterly248]

If I go to he'll, I go to hell

[Opinion Owner]

@butterly248 thats the spirit

[butterly248]

As long as she is in heaven and her future siblings, when I have them are in heaven. I don't care where I am

[Peanut_Lemon]

If you thought that, you wouldn't be on here saying things like that. You'd be out there "saving the world" if that's the case.

[butterly248]

I am. I am donating and helping people :)

[Opinion Owner]

@butterly248 donating baby parts

[Peanut_Lemon]

@butterly248 Not you, @davado88

[butterly248]

😂😂😂

[Opinion Owner]

@butterly248 i didn't want to mention it earlier but as ikeep getting pulled back to this post- the baby you had killed is in hell because it wasn't baptised and jesus is a cnut

[butterly248]

She isn't in he'll. Anywayas actual babies were beheaded and burned today

[Opinion Owner]

@butterly248 yep abortions are free here so there's 1000s.
bear in mind I. D. G. AFF kill them all for all i care.
and keep believing in your imagination and calling it jesus too.
you go girl

[Masterodd]

@butterly248 hahahaha ur fucked in the head. healthcare... hahahahaha

[butterly248]

Okay. Have a nice day 😊

[Jersey2]

For the same reason I have a strong opinion against torture and murder.

[petera1987]

You're depriving someone of their chance to live. It's wrong. It's that simple.

[Shamalien]

Well I’m sure glad I wasn’t aborted and I think given the choice the baby would want to live

[Twalli]

I am actually one if the few that supports abortion, not choice.

[nawtee_me]

Strong opinions about killing a child, taking a life….

[Anonymous]

Because they support the women who belives abortion is murder.

[butterly248]

Abortion is healthcare!

[petera1987]

@butterly248 Healthcare? Not for the child that's being butchered it isn't!

[butterly248]

It is a clump of cells

[davado88]

@butterly248 so are you. so is everyone. although in your case not so many of them are braincells

[petera1987]

@butterly248 We're so much more than just "clumps of cells"! What do they teach young people in school these days?

[Hello4242]

@petera1987 might as well not believe in condoms wait her since one of the sperm could produce life

[PrincetonGirl97]

Because it's not their bodies in question.

[davado88]

its not yours either is it? I've seen how abortions are carried out, limbs pulled off , decapitated etc,
evil. pure evil

[Masterodd]

Jesus Christ! are we back to the BS of my body/my choice? then choose to close your legs, don't have sex, choose to take a pill, choose to get a diaphragm, choose to stuff TP in your twat..
I don't care... you have no right under god to want to kill a life!

[Anonymous]

I don't believe there's a huge difference in men's views on abortion to women's views.

[Anonymous]

Because we know the difference between right and wrong. Murder is wrong!

[Adaeva]

Who cares? They can't do anything about it.

[butterly248]

Our bodies. Our choice

[petera1987]

Strangely enough, that wasn't accepted by most as a reason to reject the highly experimental "vaccines" many of us were compelled under duress to be jabbed with.

[butterly248]

Vaccination has nothing to do with this

[petera1987]

It has everything to do with this, because "my body, my choice" (bodily autonomy) was used as an argument against the promotion of the idea that the vaccines should be mandatory, but many who thought this argument to be valid when it came to abortion didn't agree. Why not?

[butterly248]

Again this about abortion.

[petera1987]

The original question is, yes, but this specific comment of yours ("Our bodies, our choice") isn't. It's about the principle of bodily autonomy, and I was merely pointing out a blatant double-standard in its application.

[butterly248]

They are stupid. It threatens the legitimacy of reproductive rights movements

[Masterodd]

fuck your body and burn on a stick for all I care.

[butterly248]

Okay :)

[HippoDino]

Most of it comes from religious beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Probably because it’s baby murder.

[butterly248]

Abortion is healthcare

[Opinion Owner]

@butterly248 So is contraception. Buuuut I guess it’s easier to murder a baby than take a pill regularly...

[butterly248]

Abortion isn't murder

[Opinion Owner]

@butterly248 Murdering a baby is still murder, no matter what you call it.

[butterly248]

Okay. Have a nice day

[Nifrayu]

The same reason woman do.

[risis725755]

Because I'm not simp