“Free Palestine” means “I support Hamas”. Just admit it or convince me otherwise?

[Anonymous]

I notice a lot of people who say #freepalestine don’t say a word about condemning what Hamas did on October 7th. To me if you say “free Palestine” or you are “pro Palestine” that means you are taking a stance that is not just about innocent civilians being killed by collateral damage in Gaza. You believe in something much worse.

I do not recall people in western countries being this insane and stupid just a few weeks after 9/11. There was calls for “peace” but nobody in their right mind was “pro Al Queda” or “pro Bin Laden”.

We especially didn’t see anything as insane as “queers for jihad”. Right now there are gay people who are using saying the darkly comically slogan “queers for Palestine”. That is such an oxymoron insane I laughed about the conflict for the first time about all that has happened in about this ordeal. Those people would quickly get free bungee jumping lessons off tall buildings with no bungee if they suddenly found themselves in Palestine.

For you people saying #freepalestine just admit you are pro Hamas and support what they did on Oct 7th. Sick of your lying.

[TonyMetal___86]

Who told you that? Any person who is truly neutral and can see the whole picture will tell you to free palestine and can also see what hamas did to the israeli innocent victims...

Personaly, each side says we did this because of that, always giving excuses for their actions...

These 2 people must truly find a peace agreement between each other and have their own countries without one oppressing the other...

At 1st, it was an impact to see hamas killing all those civilians cause it's sn act of terrorism but what israel did next to the palestinians is a way lot more what hamas did the to the israelis, in the end, both are killing innocent people who have nothing to do with this war, they are only strong on people who are unarmed and caused them no harm and do not cause any danger...

This ain't a real war where the rules are respected, this is a war where morals, values and humanity are ZERO! Just a war of blood and revenge...

This war must be stopped, enough dead innocent people and kids, enough causing more destruction and suffering...

I'm for "free palestine" but against the brutal acts of hamas and the IDF...

[Jumpintoadstool]

Exactly. The pro israel nuts don't seem to understand nuance.

[Anonymous]

Essentially. These people are closet supporters of hamas. They've chosen a side, they're complicit, they just don't have the testicular fortitude to die for thier cause.

[Anonymous]

The vast majority of people on this site are stupid. Just wait, some lefty is going to tell you that you don't know the difference between a Palestinian and Hamas. That's all they got. I never saw any protests when the Palestinians slaughtered Jews on October 7th. That's because the left doesn't care about Jewish babies being killed.

But when the Jews fight back, then the evil left wing cries foul. They NOW want the fighting to stop? Why? Because the Jews are going to eliminate Hamas.

My only criticism of the Jews, is that the ground invasion into Gaza should have taken place on October 8th. Now it's over two weeks later, and Biden is pumping the brakes.

Israel needs to forget about the US and end this thing once and for all.

[Asker]

You hit the nail on the head. But I find some hope that a young woman your age actually has this kind of common sense.

The most insane and stupid thing I’ve ever seen besides gay/trans people supporting Islamic jihadism is young stupid feminist women supporting them. Do they have any f*cking idea what would happen to them if they found themselves in an Islamic country like Gaza? If they walked out the streets they would immediately be beaten for not wearing a hijab. Have their teeth broken out if they spoke before being spoken to. Then they would be forced into a marriage and not allowed to ever leave their home without their husband or a male relative. That is if they are LUCKY (good chance they would be violently raped). And these same Down syndrome feminists believe western countries “oppress them”.

Also you are exactly right about Biden. Truth be told I think the only reason he acted “tough” in the beginning is because if he didn’t he knows he would all but be guaranteed to lose in 2024. But now he’s seeing woke leftist morons marching he believes he’s got to play nice with their stupidity.

The IDF has had its hands tied worse than any other military in the history of humanity. Who else drops leaflets telling civilians to evacuate? Who else sends “knocker” bombs that don’t do damage but instead warns civilians to leave. Who else is forced to wait this long to minimize civilian causalities? And THEY are called “evil”?

[Jumpintoadstool]

Wrong. They didn't protest because they didn't need to. Israel and the US took action unprompted and poured billions into it. The issue is dropping bombs on civilians in a population that is 40% children. Why bomb the west bank if the target was hammas? They have no presence there. Why tell people to evacuate and then bomb the evacuation route? Israel never intended to just target hammas. Cruelty is the point. This is ethnic cleansing. Point blank period.

[Opinion Owner]

@Jumpintoadstool

You're full of shit.

[Lottifan]

@Jumpintoadstool
Boo hoo
The Palestinians have been offered peace since Israel was created in 1948.
They don’t want to accept so I have no sympathy for them.
They’re getting what they asked for.

[Opinion Owner]

@Lottifan

Exactly. Palestinians are incredibly stupid people. They rely on the Jews for everything, and then kill baby Jews. They elect a terrorist group to be their government, and then wonder why that was a bad idea. Duh!

[Asker]

@Jumpintoadstool simple question:

1. Do you see moral equivalence in what Hamas did on Oct 7th vs. the IDF bombing the Gaza Strip in retaliation to take out Hamas?

2. Explain to me the difference between being “pro Palestinian resistance” vs “pro Hamas” if a difference even exists. Don’t tut tut around that. You are either for Hamas or you are against them. There is no gray area there. No interpretation. No context. If you are pro Hamas I obviously won’t like your stance at all. But at least you aren’t doing that leftist mental gymnastics euphemism bullshit that I absolutely hate about the left.

[Asker]

OP I would go with Palestinians being “brainwashed” people vs “stupid” people. Yes they are living in an open air prison: and that’s what Islamic radical jihads want! They are being brainwashed by Iranian funded Hamas to hate Jews. NO other Muslim country wants to take them in. They are being used as a proxy to do dirty work for the higher evil out there.

So I wouldn’t call them “stupid”. Truth is I feel very sorry for them. But it’s Iran, Egypts and Jordan’s fault they are being held captive. Not f*cking Israel’s. What pisses me off the most is Down syndrome leftists in western countries who should be able to figure out the long game Iran is playing here yet are too stupid and woke to accept the facts that’s are staring them directly in the face! Including facts about genocide and Jew hatred worldwide!

[Opinion Owner]

Only stupid people can be brainwashed. Did you not see that stupid lady driving down the road wearing her covid mask? She was all alone in her car.

[Asker]

OP these people have been brainwashed since they were children. Palestinians create cartoons for little kids showing Jews as evil. They have little access to the outside world. Similar to North Koreans who have been brainwashed into believing Kim Jong Un is a God.

That doesn’t give them any excuse whatsoever ever to commit terror though. Fuck no. The hated might be “understandable” given they are brainwashed but it doesn’t make it acceptable.

Again who really is to blame is Hamas who controls every aspect of their lives and Hamas only exists because f*cking Iran funds then. Egypt and Jordan are also to largely to blame because they won’t take in refugees. They send supplies and medical aide for optics but the rafah gate is still closed and will remain closed during an all out crisis.

Palestinian is literally the deranged monster that other radical
Islamic organizations want to keep in place to do their dirty work. THEY could “free” Palestinians by taking in refugees but they refuse to. All because 1) they want to annihilate Israel and 2) they have genocidal wishes to kill all Jews. But they need a proxy state to do their dirty work.

[Asker]

But I’m most furious at western liberals like @jumpintoadstool who are supporting this bullshit. It ties into the bullshit woke brainwashing they swallowed whole about “decolonization”. Jews occupied Israel for a 1000 years before Islam even existed! It IS their ancestral homeland. They didn’t “steal” the land but reoccupied it after 1948. On top of that they want diversity and their population is 20% Arab Palestinian! They have Muslims on their Supreme Court. But western leftist get their jollies on the “we are fighting for the oppressed” nonsense. It’s that condescension and false belief they are standing up for the little guy even if he is a terrorist that personally murders babies! That’s like having sympathy for a mass shooter. Those people often have horrible lives and one day crack. You can feel sorry for them up to the point they commit evil. But the second they kill innocents then I lose all sympathy for them. They made a DECISION to murder. No justification for that.

[Opinion Owner]

@asker

The only reason that Israel hasn't started their ground invasion, is because of retarded Joe. That stupid fuck-tard is telling the Jews to stand down, while he's sleeping on the beach.

[Asker]

I agree about Biden. But Israel is very constrained for a whole multitude of reasons. Not only is a ground invasion extremely dangerous given it’s a highly dense population (with most civilians being hostile to Israel) but Hamas WANTS Israel to kill innocent civilians. They were putting up f*cking roadblocks on highways and telling their civilians not to leave. Hamas knows the western media will immediately blame and demonize Israel for civilian casualties. They are using their own people as a human shield.

Every innocent life lost in Gaza is the fault of HAMAS right now. Not Israel.

Also OP I recommend that you be careful about your word choice about Palestinians being “stupid”. I understand where you are coming from. But leftists will take what you are saying and run with it. They will quickly label you an “Islamaphobe” or worse if you generalize like that.

Palestinians are brainwashed which is not the same thing as stupid. Also although Hamas is sheer evil also doesn’t mean they are stupid. They planned all this heinous bs out. There are rich Hamas leaders who are living safe posh lives outside of Gaza. Just remember that evil and stupid aren’t the same thing.

[Opinion Owner]

Look up the "reptilian cortex."
It's all about survival.

[Asker]

Right. But these people have very limited options and that’s more often fault of OTHER neighboring Islamic countries. Not exclusively Israel. Do you know that 400,000 Palestinian’s lived in Kuwait before the Gulf War? They were all expelled afterwards.

But other higher evil powers including Iran want them impoverished, confined and brainwashed so they can carry out their evil long term agenda (annihilating Israel).

But as for the Palestinians themselves you have to understand there is little hope for them. Very hard for them to leave the Gaza Strip. And western leftists want to exclusively blame Israel for that which is complete 100% bullshit.

[Opinion Owner]

I want the Jews to solve this problem. Iran needs to be nuked. It's the head of the snake.

[Asker]

This could escalate to all out world war that no one wants. Not even Iran.

But I want the liberal western media (which egregiously lied about the Gaza hospital bombing) and terrorist apologists CALLED OUT in western countries. They are supporting terrorism (including raping women and killing children) in the name of “decolonization” now which is beyond disgusting. It’s one thing if you are a poor Gazan who has brainwashed your entire life to believe that evil justified. Quite another if you live in a rich western country and support that bs.

[Jumpintoadstool]

@Lottifan they were offered shit conditions under those treaties and frankly, i don't blame them. I'll quote abother commenter from a different thread, because i agree with their solution wholeheartedly: "The only solution is for Israel to provide the same rights to palistineans. Year down the walls, remove the check points. Grant the palistineans who were driven from their homes the right to return. Make every resident of former palestine a full, equal citizen under the law. Prosecute any israelis who commit crimes against them. And vice versa. Pay restitution to the palestinians whose home, land, and property were stolen or destroyed. Hold Nuremberg-like trials for israeli leaders who committed war crimes against humanity. Declare never again, as was done when the nazis were defeated."

[Opinion Owner]

Thanks for the MHO

[rigmarole]

PLO is also Socialist... Fatah and Popular Front push Marxist-Leninism where as Hamas pushes Islamic Socialism steeped in Sharia Law that is more nationalist. Think of the PLO like Stalin an Hamas like Hitler. Their argument is like how Marxist "Socialists" think that they are polar opposite of National "Socialists". Both groups are Socialists with the same end goal, but they have in fighting among one another over who gets to be the aristocracy of the communist party in the new dictatorship they want to form to enslave populations. Thus they may not support Hamas, but they do support Islamic Socialism in the region and want to destroy a parliamentary democracy that has a culture of religious devotion. Most socialists are Satanist that want a global dictatorship. So they might not like the Sharia law aspect of Hamas, but they like it more than they like democracy and the choose people of God.

[rigmarole]

*chosen

[Lottifan]

no difference between Hamas and the Palestinians. They both want the same thing. The destruction of Israel.

[Jumpintoadstool]

Objectively incorrect.

[Asker]

There is a difference between being brainwashed vs evil. Hamas is sheer evil. Hamas is a terrorist organization who openly states they want the genocide of Jews not only in Israel but worldwide. They OPENLY STATE THIS IN THEIR PROCLAMATION.

Palestinians VOTED in hamas and allowed themselves to be oppressed and brainwashed by them. Many Hamas leaders are wealthy and several of them don’t even live in the f*cking Gaza Strip. But the most Palestinians have never seen an outside world. ALL neighboring Muslim countries refuse to take in Palestinian refugees. They WANT them to be impoverished and angry. That’s moldeable clay to nefarios higher forces to brainwash them to carry out their objectives which are simple: kill all Jews. Make to celebrate and brag about it too.

[KostasKouvalis]

I mean, technically it doesn't have to, but ever notice how the "free Palestine" people don't come out, at least not in masses, until something happens. And even though most people may not say it directly, it's so obvious they see Hamas as heroes and condone everything they're doing. So in the current case, you aren't wrong.

[Anonymous]

Supporting Israel unconditionally is supporting bombings on civilians, murder if children, women and elders. They are biggest liars and propagandists. Supporting Israel means supporting illegal settlements. Israelis/Zionists are modern day era Nazis, barbaric terrorists. Just agree it or convince me otherwise.

I have seen these barbaric Zionists animals are war criminals and they have done worst things with naked corpses of Palestinians.

[Lottifan]

Best joke I’ve seen in a long time.

[Jumpintoadstool]

Exactly. Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[Lottifan]

@Jumpintoadstool
The Palestinians are getting no more than they deserve.🇮🇱

[Jumpintoadstool]

@Lottifan Okay nazi. 👍

[Lottifan]

@Jumpintoadstool
May you suffer the rest of your life like the families of those Israelis that were massacred.

[Jumpintoadstool]

@Lottifan That was awful. So was the hundreds of thousands of palestinians who have been killed over the course of 75 years of apartheid.

[Lottifan]

@Jumpintoadstool
The Palestinians brought it all on themselves.

[Jumpintoadstool]

@Lottifan whatever you have to tell yourself to make you feel better about murdering innocent men, women and children.

[Jumpintoadstool]

@Lottifan but by all means, keep eating up Israels propoganda they spoon feed you to justify their ethnic cleansing.

[Jumpintoadstool]

@Lottifan I encourage you to watch "road to apartheid". It is a documentary that shows the conditions Palestinians have had to live in since the nahkba.

[Lottifan]

@Jumpintoadstool
If anything is hard to believe it’s the acting that comes out of Gaza. Those films deserve oscars.

[Jumpintoadstool]

@Lottifan Humor me.

[Lottifan]

@Jumpintoadstool
If anything you’re just making a fool of yourself with your daft opinions.

[Jumpintoadstool]

@Lottifan Then by all means. Enlighten me.

[Lottifan]

@Jumpintoadstool
Brainwashed or brain dead people just can’t be reasoned with and you’re one of those.

[Opinion Owner]

@Lottifan idiot look through Twitter, al Jazeera. This blood is on the hands of the US, EU, Canada , Australia and UK just as much as Israel. Shame on all of you.

[Jumpintoadstool]

@Lottifan I'm giving you the opportunity to sway my opinion. Do you not feel confident in the validity of your beliefs?

[Jumpintoadstool]

@Lottifan Think critically for a moment. If Israel gave a damn about Jewish captives, why wiuld they carpet bomb palestinian areas indiscriminately? You realize the IDF has already killed 22 captives in the process of trying to take out hammas, correct?

[Jumpintoadstool]

@Lottifan just saying. It sounds more like ethnic cleansing and a land grab than a rescue mission to me.

[Lottifan]

@Jumpintoadstool
Ethnic cleansing. What a good joke! . For starters. What Is Mahmoud Abbas the so called president of Palestine. Nothing but one of the worst terrorists going. As head of the PLO he went under the name Abu Mazen.
Did he ever try to work out a peace settlement? No. Does he care about the Palestinians? No
All he is interested in is hiding Hamas amongst the Palestinians and trying to wipe out Israel.
So there is the truth.

[Asker]

@lottifan it would be hilarious but this guy really believes what he is saying.

[Asker]

@Jumpintoadstool and why won’t Hamas give up the captives? Why did they take captives in the first place?

But you know what I realize it’s an exercise in futility debating your and OP. I mean Hamas only directly and intentionally murdered, raped and kidnapped innocent civilians and BRAGGED about it (even WW2 Nazis at least tried to hide their war crimes). But if you can’t openly and explicitly condemn that then it means something VERY scary about your pov.

For the record I know and fully acknowledge that innocent Gazans including children are being killed via collateral damage. But Hamas is USING THEM AS HUMAN SHIELDS. They anticipated Israel’s furious response to this, the collateral damage (which is 100% their fault) and the leftist media demonizing Israel. They do NOT care about human life. They explicitly said “Israel celebrates life and we celebrate death”. And you are going right along with it because that’s the “woke” thing to do.

[Lottifan]

@Opinion owner
You obviously haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.

[Jumpintoadstool]

here's the thing: i never defended the actions of hammas. You morons can't seem to differentiate civilians from hammas. You jump at the chance to bring them up bit refuse to hold israel accountable for their crimes. Hammas has only existed for 15 years. Israel has been oppressing and killing palestinians for 75 years.

[Jumpintoadstool]

@Lottifan what did you expect after treating palestinians like second class citizens for nearly a century? You deny them food, water, medicine, and equal rights under the law, yet you are surprised when some of them are more susceptible to extremism? Im not justifying hammas, but you need to acknowledge how we got here so it never happens again. Hammas didn't come from nowhere. They are israels creation. Not to mention, israel knew what was going to happen. They got a tip from Egypt and did nothing to prevent it. Then they dropped bombs over the heads of the captives because they would rather kill hammas than save their israeli citizens. The difference between you and i is im consistent.

[TheGuyWhoKnowsStuff]

The only way to "Free Palestine" is to purge it of Hamas so that the Palestinians can elect a democratic local government.

[Anonymous]

Oh who cares.

”Waaah you’re supporting terrorists.”

Yeah. And you’re supporting jailers who have men, women, and children jailed in an open air prison.

So spare us with your holier than thou crap.

[Asker]

Let’s see here:

- The Gaza Strip was GIVEN to Palestine by Israel in 2005. Hamas was elected by them in 2007.
- Both Egypt and Jordan had ZERO interest in taking over despite Israel offering them control.
- ZERO and I do mean ZERO muslim countries want to take in Palestinian refugees. The Rafah gate to Egypt to closed and HEAVILY secured. Now why is that? Huh? Why won’t Jordan or Egypt take in their Muslim brothers?
- Israel has Arab Palestinian population of 20%. Zero Jews living in Gaza.
- Again let’s pretend that Hamas didn’t intentionally target 1400 innocent civilians by murdering, raping and abducting people. Let’s pretend they didn’t kill children and babies. Yeah let’s quickly forget that
- Let’s also quickly forget they are currently holding 200 hostages.

Now spare me your moronic response and either debate me with hard facts or just admit you support terror and want the annihilation of Jews. And don’t give me any bullshit about “anti-Zionism”. Jews occupied Israel a 1000 years before Islam even EXISTING. Also Hamas openly stated in their proclamation they not only wanted to kill Jews in Israel but WORLDWIDE.

[exitseven]

I think that any Palestinian that gives aid to Hamas is just as guilty.

[Anonymous]

It does

Thank fuck I'm pro-Israel unlike the terrorist sympathizing scum