Do you support Israel, Hamas or only the Palestinian cause (but denounce Hamas)?

[Anonymous]

I am seeing a lot of ignorant people posting and thinking that Hamas = Palestine.

Hamas rules Palestine. Hamas was voted in by Palestinians. Hamas enjoyed popular support by Palestinians (not sure about that right now though). But Hamas is NOT Palestine.

Hamas is a terrorist organization. Period. Palestinians are an ethnicity and a regional group of people.

Assuming that all Palestinians are and/or support Hamas is like saying ALL Germans in WW2 were Nazis. Of course Nazi ideology dominated Germany but many Germans were against it (and there was internal rebellion).

But if you can’t denounce what Hamas did on Oct 6th you are a terrorist sympathizer and likely an anti semite. There is absolutely no way around that.

And all the collateral damage (innocent Palestinians being killed) right now is 100% the fault of Hamas. They are TELLING Palestinians to stay out when Israel is telling them to leave. Israel had no choice to do this. Not because they were attacked but if they show any weakness then Hezbollah will attack them from the North which will could eventually turn into a world war.

Also for the record I do NOT believe an innocent Israeli civilian’s life is worth more than an innocent Palestinian’s life. Is sickening and horrifying that so many innocent lives in the Gaza Strip are being lost.

But what disgusts and horrifies me is how many westerners are openly supporting Hamas right now. They aren’t even making the distinction between the Palestinian people’s freedom cause vs. the actions of a terrorist organization.

At best you are willfully ignorant if you support Hamas and don’t know all the facts. But we are observing rising anti semitism from western leftists now. It’s greatest irony is they are usually the ones that like to call other people they don’t like “Nazis”.

I support Israel

I support Palestine and what Hamas did on Oct 6th was justified and necessary

I support Palestine but I completely denounce Hamas terrorism

Nobody, other or don’t care.

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6 mo

A lot of people voting C on this poll are really believing in option B.

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For you people who don’t want to take a side on this I get it. But you need to understand there is a very threatening possibility of this war escalating where both Iran and the USA directly get involved. Get educated on what’s happening!

Also there is almost never a 100% good vs. evil in most wars including the Russo Ukraine war. But it always about choosing the lesser to two evils. Israel is not perfect by any means. But Hamas is sheer evil. Even Joe Biden was willing to say that.

[Anonymous]

the Israel people started this and the only reason usa is blasting our news with support for Israel is because we created Israel and we benefit from this war as well!

However, after all the lies without proof, saying Palestine beheaded babies and ZERO evidence of it YET we can find mountains of footage of Israel b0mbing innocent civilians of which MANY ARE children, it's horrifying, why is there so much evidence of Israel killing children but yet fail to provide any of their headline news calling Palestinians the "evil" ones?

Israel cut off electricity and poured concrete on Palestine waterways. so not only are they bombing all these children with their entire families but they are also depriving them from medical care as all those victims in hospitals have no electricity and further more dehydrating them to death as if the hell they are putting them through were not enough.

the footage of what Israel is doing is abominable, sickening, heartbreaking, disgusting, and just EVIL! nobody can call it "self defense" when the number of Palestinian death toll outnumbers by a significant number of that of Israel in past years leading up to today.

The fact that the news DIDN"T report any Israel bombings and evil doings in the past does not mean it didn't happen.

Now that Palestine decided to treat Israel back with their same treatment only THEN does the media bombard us with all this horrible situation there and pleading for help to Israel.

Don't support this disgusting war. The more you see how Israel treats innocent people as they chant in glory words "no more schools for you because there's no more children" is enough to deter anyone from supporting that sick mentality. ESPECIALLY when the footage shows how many children are being killed by them.

it makes one wonder why eventually they get dismissed from anywhere they go, you give them a hand than they take your whole leg and then try to kill you.

[Opinion Owner]

P. S. FREE PALESTINE! save the children.

[Opinion Owner]

P. S. S. S: Israel refers to ALLLLLL palestianians as NON HUMANS and rejoice of children being killed, and not as you claim ONLY HAMAS. as you can see if the footage. I might upload for all to see. Giving 24 hours for anyone to leave a FULL city clearly shows where the REAL evil is and how they just want to commit genocide.

[Lottifan]

Israel started this.
Good joke.
Who let Hamas into Palestine in the first place.
The Palestinians are no different to Hamas.
I have no sympathy for them at all.
Israel has the right to defend itself and if some Palestinians get killed in the process it’s doing the world a favour.

[silyt_ghoest]

@Lottifan lmao you can just say you’re racist. Hamas only exists because Israel has been bombarding the balls out of Palestine since Israel came back into existence. We deffo need israel, but they were granted land by britain, which was not britain’s to grant, and they have been fighting for more land they don’t need. Just look into it. it’s not that hard.

[silyt_ghoest]

claiming the jews created the nazis is just as bad as blaming palestine for what israel is doing.

[Lottifan]

@silyt_ghoest
You know nothing about the truth.

[Asker]

@Lottifan silly ghost is a kid. But she is obviously being brainwashed.

But as for the OP. I would like her to explain this www.indiatoday.in/.../hamas-putting-roadblocks-to-stop-gazans-from-leaving-israel-2449198-2023-10-15

[Lottifan]

@silyt_ghoest
I know more about the truth than you do little girl. Who brainwashed you?

[zagor]

Let's see: Does the Israeli army hide behind civilians? Do they shoot children indiscriminately? Do they hide weapons in schools and hospitals?

There ARE pictures of children killed by Hamas, it's just been taken off the web due to respect for the families. Unlike people who broadcast beheadings.

Like rats, Hamas retreated to Gaza to hide behind civilians, so they can blame Israelis for any deaths that come from striking at their infrastructure.

[Asker]

@zagor OP still hasn’t answered this question www.indiatoday.in/.../hamas-putting-roadblocks-to-stop-gazans-from-leaving-israel-2449198-2023-10-15

[Asker]

If Israel is so evil and Hamas is so justified then why did they do that OP?

[nightdrot]

Actually, I voted for neither as, from an American perspective, it should properly be viewed as a strategic calculation, not a moral decision. That said, to be fair, there are serious moral issues at stake, and it has been an accepted principle of international affairs - at least since the end of World War I if not before - that national self-determination is the right of a people. It's partly the reason why the victorious Allies broke up the Austro-Hungarian Empire and it is why imperialism is in such bad repute today.

That said, international affairs are about power, not principle - except insofar as sovereign powers have the ability to assert their moral principles. In the Palestinian-Israeli case, there are conflicting nationalisms, though in the Palestinian case, the sense of national identity is somewhat weak - with Palestine divided between Palestinian nationalist, Islamist and (to some degree) pan-Arab identities.

These splits within the Palestinian community have significantly weakened the Palestinian cause, with about the only thing holding the Palestinian factions together is their ardent right to return to what they consider historic Palestine. In that connection, it should not be forgotten that the United Nations Organization divided the territory in a two state solution and it was the Palestinian Arabs, not the Israeli Jews, who rejected that compromise solution.

As to the situation now, the Palestinian cause is largely over - the media images notwithstanding. The decision by the Palestinians to support Saddam Hussein's Iraq against Kuwait in the 1990-1991 Persian Gulf War effectively ended Arab support for the Palestinian cause in fact if not in name.

Throw in the rivalry between Persian-Shiite-republican Iran and the Arab-Sunni-monarchies (as well as Egypt.) You now have a de facto alliance between Israel and the Arabs, effectively shutting out the Palestinians (who are increasingly looking to Iran.)

From the American viewpoint, that Arab-Israeli alliance is useful for hemming in not just Iran, which is small beer, but Russia - which in geostrategic terms matters more. In that connection, then, support for Israel makes sense.

The Palestine issue for the U. S. is secondary and if - as they recently stated - the Palestinians do not see the U. S. as a mediator, then that is their affair and the status quo will suffice. Palestinian options are few.

[Lottifan]

Israel.

[DaisyM23]

once again you are conflating supporting hamas with antisemitism - i think their attack was justifiable to many, anyone who has gone through what they have would attack their oppressor back eventually, sadly it was civilians who experienced this instead of the government so it's not as black and white as people like to think

and regards to antisemitism, i hate how people bring this up, now you can't criticise someone without being labelled as antisemitic, racist etc, how will the world move forward with no free speech to criticise the actions of a government - antisemitism is the hatred and prejudice of judaism/ against jewish people, i have no hate towards anyone over something as trivial as religion, race, gender etc, but antisemitism is what everyone cries when you criticise israel over ethnic cleansing and settler colonialism - then you can turn around and say anyone who supports israel is islamophobic and this has more weight

and what about jewish people who support palestine? are you going to call them antisemitic?

i think the actions and rhetoric of israel now is very similar to what the nazis used 70+ years ago and it's incredibly sad that no one has learned from the past - i know people like to throw around the word 'nazi' a lot, i don't, but high officials calling them animals and advocating their ethnic cleansing is exactly what the nazis spouted - it wasn't right then and it isn't right now

[Asker]

Killing babies, raping women, taking civilian hostages and BRAGGING about is justified? This is NOT a territory dispute. Hamas want to kill ALL Jews in Israel.

You are PRECISELY the kind of warped anti semitic leftist I am talking about.

[DaisyM23]

yes and you're delusional because i've already stated my opinion and nowhere in it did i say anything antisemitic as antisemitism is hatred towards jews and i have no hate to jews, only to the government of israel - if you think those two are the same maybe YOU are the problem since you seem to support zionism which many, including jewish people themselves, denounce

at the same time, israel want to kill all palestinians - there is proof of israeli strikes killing children, they told people to evacuate south and they bombed them, show me concrete proof of hamas beheading babies please

a war crime is a war crime, i am in no way saying killing innocent people and rape is justified because it's not, attacking an oppressing country is understandable but the means of war will always be bad for civilians and innocents no matter where you go and israel have done FAR worse to palestine over the years

when israelis trace their ancestry back, they find their families come from various european countries, when palestinians trace their ancestry back, their families come from palestine or the surrounding region - where does this excuse israel stealing their land and calling it their own

[Asker]

I had a lengthy response to above with cold hard FACTS. But I get your paradigm is being threatened and to reconsider anything would damage your precious ego.

But really has Israel ever BRAGGED about anything it’s done? Hamas recorded and BRAGGED about killing innocent civilians, raping women, taking civilian hostages and murdering children. When has Israel ever done that?

Also I already clearly and distinctively pointed out that innocent civilian lived in Palestine are worth no less then innocent civilian lives in Israel.

But HAMAS used innocent civilians as HUMAN SHIELDS. Their words: Israel celebrates live. We celebrate DEATH.

[DaisyM23]

your talk of ego is ironic

israel doesn't need to brag about killing them to the media, they have the west's backing, they can and have done anything - israel indiscriminately target palestinian civilians, same as how hamas had attacked israeli civilians, israel have trapped those in gaza and have dropped white phosphorus bombs which is illegal on gaza, just as they have used before

both hamas and israel want their land, except israel are willing to completely eradicate them

[Asker]

- No other neighboring Islamic country will take in Hamas refugees right. Last I checked the Ráfah crossing to Egypt is still closed.
- Israel offered control of the Gaza Strip to both Egypt and Jordan. Both said hell no.
- if Israel wants to kill Palestinian civilians so bad then why do they: drop fliers, send text message and WhatsApp alerts that they are coming?
- if Hamas is so great then why do they hide military HQs and arsenal stashes directly beneath schools, mosques and hospitals?
- Lots of protestors WESTERN countries are showing blatant anti Semitism. In Sydney protestors were chanting “gas the Jews”.

If Hamas had their way they kill every last standing and breathing Israeli.

[DaisyM23]

the rafah crossing is supposedly opening soon, palestinian lands should be in palestinian hands and i can't speak for egypt and jordan only that they don't care about refugees clearly, israel warned people to evacuate from north gaza yet STILL bombed the way and killed around 70 people including children, warning people to evacuate to somewhere else is an easy ploy to bomb people in a designated 'safe' zone that's sadly happened before, the targeting of civilians is always bad and BOTH hamas and israel have done so with israel also attacking schools and hospitals - and for the antisemitism in the west, i don't agree with that, i condone it, people who can't separate people from their government are part of the problem in spreading hate and false narratives and both antisemitism and islamophobia should be condoned by all, particularly when it's harmful rhetoric that's historically genocidal

[Asker]

Can you explain why Hamas is now doing this? www.indiatoday.in/.../hamas-putting-roadblocks-to-stop-gazans-from-leaving-israel-2449198-2023-10-15

[silyt_ghoest]

i support palestine COMPLETELY. Hamas is complex. it’s a very iffy thing. i understand why they did it, but they really should have went for a government building instead. however, hamas is a much needed evil. sadly, without hamas, palestine would look like nazi germany right now. Israel is performing and “ethnic cleansing” and the gaza strip is basically a modern day nazi ghetto. However, the way hamas is handling revolting is unnecessary. violence is needed, but aiming for religious placed is going to make the situation a billion times worse. Which is why i cannot get behind Israel in anyway. They were doing the same as Hamas just last year. So in all reality, though i don’t support Hamas, i understand the need for it. If you don’t understand why, go look into how many Palestinian children Israel has killed int he past ten years.

[Rei13]

I sympathize with the innocent people on both sides when it’s their leaders that are causing so much harm. I honestly don’t know enough about the conflict but I am absolutely disgusted by the actions of Hamas. It is also disgusting how many people justify it based on the actions of others. I don’t care if you’re in Palestine or Israel, if you’re innocent you don’t deserve what’s happening. I can’t even imagine going through what those people are experiencing and I hope I never do.

[Asker]

For a long time I was plead ignorance when it came to Middle Eastern conflicts. Islam is really something I never fully understood.

But really infuriated me about this was not only what Hamas did. But it’s the moron leftists in WESTERN countries who are openly supporting not just Palestine but f*cking Hamas in college and inner city protests. THAT is horrifying because the time of naivety about they are all about has passed. It’s now crystal clear Hamas is a active terrorist organization and they are proud of it.

Imagine if terrorist sympathizers openly protested in support of Osama Bin Laden in London, Sydney, etc after the 9/11 terrorist attack? Of course none of them were bold and foolish enough to do that back then. But they were celebrating in Palestine.

[Anonymous]

The Palestinians aren't Hamas, but the Palestinians support Hamas. So because of that support, innocent Palestinians will die. Hopefully now that support will dwindle.

[strateguy632]

in this situation the war is palestinian OF hammas so both are same , unless specify P. A. but that is not sides in gaza. that word choice just tricky deception to promote terrorism.

[butterly248]

I support Israel and Palestinian. Thousands of innocent people are being murdered and God knows what else 🕯❤️

[Asker]

Unfortunately a two party state isn’t possible. An immediate truce isn’t either. Not only is Israel hurt and enraged by they can’t risk showing any weakness because if they do Hezbollah will attack them from the north. Things will get ugly FAST if that happens.

[butterly248]

Things are going to get worse. Unless some surrenders

[Asker]

Hamas actually WANTS innocent Palestinian civilians to be killed by collateral damage. They know the western liberal media will be all over it and that in turn will give fools sympathy for Hamas. Hamas puts their f*cking military HQ and stockpiles in hospitals, schools, mosques, etc.

So long story short an Israel has to fully invade the Gaza Strip, eradicate Hamas and occupy the area until there is a future resolution.

Unfortunately this will cause the deaths of thousands maybe tens of thousands of innocent civilians. There is no way around it. Israel can’t just pull out now for a whole myriad of reasons.

The western world needs to accept the deaths of the innocent Palestinians. As horrible as that is it is 100% the fault of Hamas. Israel didn’t want to do this.

[AngelLily]

I denounce evil on both

[Asker]

One side is a LOT more evil than the other. Much more.

[jaskin777]

I do not support it