Why are western women generally more sympathetic to Islamic ideologies and their “caused” when they literally enslave women?

[blueonblack22]

A lot of the anti-Israel rhetoric I’ve seen over the years and and especially lately often come from woke liberal women. If you notice the morons marching in the pro-Palestine protest (right after the Hamas terrorist attacks) a few of them were white women. None were wearing hijabs.

Don’t feminists and/or far left gay leftists realize that if they actually lived in the Gaza Strip they would be at best best beaten, subjugated and forced to marry? But if they walked around not wearing hijabs, acted promiscuous or worse engaged in homosexual behavior then they would be thrown off rooftops.

What the hell is wrong with liberal women that support ideologies that truly hate and harm women? It’s bad enough they support “trans rights” which enabled deranged creepy biological men to enter women only spaces like bathrooms and showers (and destroy women in athletic competitions). But how could western leftist women support Islamic societies that treat women like their less than human (and yet still claim “patriarchy” is real evil the west)?

Are western leftist women missing a chromosome or something when it comes to this?

Look at this photo of the NYC Palestine protest. There is a white western woman smack dab in the middle of it.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/new-york-playbook/2023/10/10/heat-for-nyc-dsa-after-pro-palestine-rally-00120675

[SakuraBlossoms87]

Most of these women are a special sort of stupid. Their ignorance, stupidity, oftentimes social reject mentality / personalities means that they support whatever isn't "norm".

If they were decent or respectable women, after all, they'd not be supporting Palestine.

Simply because of the way in which women are treated in the country.

Sexual assault, abuse in marriage, forced marriage, stoning to death, rape, child abuse, etc. is as common in some areas of Palestine as grains of sand on a beach. In some areas of Palestine women have less protection & rights then a four-legged cow does. And despite country-wide women can actually own land 95% of them don't, handing it over to their male relatives (or face the consequences).

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As a comparable of what organizations like Hamas appeals to.

Back years ago a number of white - European or North American - men went and joined organizations like ISIS.

Every man that was named were outcasts in their society. Nasty attitudes, personality problems, criminal records, trouble with the law or others.

None of them could be referred to as decent or respectable individuals back home.

[blueonblack22]

You get what I am talking about. But women supporting groups like Hamas because they think they’re fighting “oppression”. That’s insane.

[SakuraBlossoms87]

Such women are stupider than shit on a stick.

My grandparents are from Palestine. I am Muslim by upbringing. I look at these stupid western people who support organizations like Hamas & ISIS and laugh. And I laugh very hard.

Because to a Muslim in such countries, such people are nothing. They mean nothing.

They are not Muslim, they are not raised properly, etc. If they lived in Palestine or any heavily Muslim country they'd be seen as filthy. Less than a dog.

[SakuraBlossoms87]

@blueonblack22 - but there are many groveling westerners @Lliam who think because they support such ideology they'll be accepted when all they'd be accepted for is washing the tiolet bowl.

[SakuraBlossoms87]

@Lliam - people like you are nothing to Muslims because you are not Muslim. And yet you defend this disgusting behavior

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...s-people-massacred.html

Hamas soldiers video themselves with the children & toddlers they SLAUGHTERED www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...-children-massacre.html

So what does that make you? When Muslims wouldn't want you & your own country wouldn't either. Not even your mother would.

[blueonblack22]

@SakuraBlossoms87 there can be only two reasons why westerners act this way:

1. Being misinformed, misguided and brainwashed Given how our public education and mass media works this comes as no surprise.

2. Real anti-semitic beliefs. This is scary. Really scary.

For the record it’s a horrifying tragedy that lots of innocent Palestinians are going to be killed in this conflict. But intentionally hiding behind civilians is a WAR CRIME. Not only does Hamas do this to cover their cowardly asses but they actually WANT innocent Palestinian civilians to be murdered. They know western liberals like @Lliam will swallow that lie that Israel is “evil” with those twisted optics.

Not to say Israel is squeaky clean. But what hamas PROUDLY did is on a whole another level. Not even ww2 Nazi’s publicized the atrocities they committed against innocent people.

[blueonblack22]

@SakuraBlossoms87 in hindsight I know how my observations can be sexist. However liberal western women supporting this heinous crap when they are all about “women’s liberation” is the biggest oxymoron I’ve ever seen in my life. We both know how they would likely be treated by the local population if they were suddenly dropped off in the Gaza Strip.

[SakuraBlossoms87]

@blueonblack22 - Oh I am hardly saying Israel is innocent. However the vast majority of the problem was due to British / WWII Allies having no idea what to do with displaced Jews after the war and subsequently making a land for Jewish peoples by taking Palestine lands.

Something that little educated liberals @Lliam have a hard time comprehending.
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Educated Palestinians know this and that's why you'll almost never see them involved in protests, look at most of the protesters in America or UK who appear Palestinian they are not lawyers or doctors or scientists they are mid or lower level jobs / education "joe & jane" who barely know who their grandparents were.

Educated Palestinians most certainly do not support things like Hamas - such organizations like with ISIS belong to the middle and more predominantly lower sects in the country, the widely ill or even uneducated masses - and many of the better educated / wealthier Palestinians don't live in Palestine anymore unless they're in the government. It's safer to be on the moon as a Palestinian of a middle or upper class family than it is to be in some areas of Palestine.

Because in many ways Palestine is like a Nigerian colleague's home (a home he is terrified of going back to). If you are rich you are no longer the boy that your poorer friends grew up with, you are a tourist to rob.

[FreyaRed]

You wish they were but they aren't. Few useful idiots in social media means nothing in real world.

[blueonblack22]

No I do not “wish” that liberal western women were like this. Fuck no.

[NamerOfStars]

They're not- they're just opposed to Israel, and so they think anything Israel opposes must be worthy of support.

These people are the type who think that the best way to fight bigotry is with WORSE bigotry; do you really imagine they're thinking things through?

[blueonblack22]

But what is their incentive to act this way? That’s what I am asking.

I could see a Muslim person having complex feelings about this. But white western women who never lived in that culture?

[NamerOfStars]

The incentive? Distaste with dominant powers and social status gained from tribalism.

[blueonblack22]

Okay well speaking of tribalism NO Arabic country is willing to take in Palestinian refugees right now. Why?

Also the rafa crossing to Egypt is EXTREMELY secured. Much higher walls. Underground bomb proof walls. Heavily armed military enforcement.

So why won’t they help?

[NamerOfStars]

Probably because they've seen what taking in a flood of refugees does to a country. They've seen what's happened to Sweden and what's happening to the USA, and realize that those places are a LOT more stable than Egypt is.

That, or they fear Israel's finally had enough, and is going to start fighting back in earnest, and they want NOTHING to do with the situation.

[blueonblack22]

Okay then WTF is Israel supposed to do, huh? Would you be seeking diplomacy and “peace talks” when your enemy attacked you unprovoked, raped and abducted your women and beheaded your children? And they BRAG about it! Even the WW2 Nazis tried to hide their atrocities.

It’s the Arabic countries that WANT the Palestinians to be poor, constrained and oppressed. Especially Iran. They are using Palestine as a proxy to vent their hatred on Israel. Hamas is taking humanitarian aid and money which is meant to help civilians and instead funneling it to terrorist activists.

This does impact the west. Israel can not afford to show any weakness because if they do Hezbollah will attack from the north and then things will can escalate fast. Israel will retaliate using their Air Force which in turn cause Iran to get directly involved. If Iran gets involved then the USA will be forced to get directly involved. That is the beginning of a world war.

Israel has to completely invade and take over the Gaza Strip. Which is horrible because as if hasn’t been clear enough already Hamas intentionally used civilians as human shields. Israel has tried its best to minimize collateral damage. But a lot of innocent Palestines will die which is 100% the fault of Hamas. Not Israel.

[NamerOfStars]

It's Hamas' fault if Israel kills innocent people getting to them?

I suppose I shouldn't expect logic from someone who mentions "Arabic countries, especially Iran", but STILL...

[blueonblack22]

Israel is telling people to evacuate. Hamas is telling them to stay put. Yes there has already been collateral damage but again that is completely the fault of HAMAS.

Israel has not nor ever has:

- directly targeted civilians including children
- taken civilian hostages
- raped women during terrorist raids
- beheaded babies
- and above all f*cking BRAGGED about it.

I think one of us as bigger “logic” problem than the other. But to the “river to the sea” right?

I just hope the God you aren’t some typical western white liberal. If you have Muslim heritage then I won’t be that surprised. But if you are some moron woke white leftist then you are exactly what the communist’s used to call: a useful idiot.

The amount of mental gymnastics that western leftists have done to justify Hamas’ actions are downright disgusting and insane.

And yes I know the difference between the Palestinian cause vs. Hamas terrorist objectives. But from I’ve seen very few liberals have made it explicitly clear they denounce Hamas. That’s insane.

[Soteris]

Pretty simple really. It is Palestine that is the victim with both Hamas and Israel being the perpetrators. You dont need to be a genius to recognize the injustice Palestine suffered from the creation if Israel followed by the quite frankly brutal oppression that has continued to this day.

[blueonblack22]

Then why doesn’t Egypt or Jordan take in Palestinian refugees? Israel offer them both control of the Gaza Strip and both countries said hell no.

Israel GAVE UP occupation of the Gaza Strip back in 2005. They have provided water and electricity for free.

[strateguy632]

assuming that is true the muslim brutality would be repeated on the trans and women. you avoided the question. but made your irrelevant talking point.

[Soteris]

@strateguy632 I did not avoid the question. The OP is talking about this in the context of the Israeli vs Palestine conflict specifically (no other context makes sense since there is otherwise a very widespread bigotry against Islam) and therefore I just pointed out how one sided the moral question is in this specific regard. Israel is simply in the moral wrong here from an objective standpoint and you would have to do some pretty major mental gymnastics to twist it into a situation where Israel becomes an innocent victim.

[Soteris]

I dont particularly care what Egypt or Jordan is doing and the reason for the "disengagement" (the UN and me very much still consider Israel to be occupying them) is because the occupation had failed. This was not a "good will gesture".

[Lliam]

Your lack of knowledge about Palestinians and Israel is astounding. You describe Palestinians as if they are Taliban. And you are completely ignorant of the history of Israel.

[SakuraBlossoms87]

@Lliam - and you have repeatedly shown on this forum that you're a definition of a social reject. The norm that supports people who kidnap mothers, grandmothers & children to murder them because they're far too cowardly to fight like men as Hamas has been doing.

[Lliam]

@SakuraBlossoms87. I abhore the harming or kidnapping of civilians. That's why I despise the fact that Israel has been doing that, and far worse, for decades.

What the fuck do you even mean "fight like men"?

I watch how people who have never had access to information about Israel's sadistic crimes of the past 18 years suddenly become pro-war activists when the media shows the photos of dead or injured Israelis.

Do you ever wonder why you've never seen photos or videos of dead, injured or kidnapped Palestinian families, mothers, or children? Entire families wiped out.

I'll bet you don't know one thing about the history of Israel or it's ongoing program of murder and literal torture.

[SakuraBlossoms87]

@Lliam - and yet, comically, Hamas was video recording & photographing them murdering civilians. Much like how ISIS was video recording & photographing them torturing & murdering civilians. Comically neither organization has anything to do with Jews and EVERYTHING to do with Muslims who have no problems even slaughtering their own kind.

I do know more about Israel & Palestine you moronic cunt then you would ever if you lived to be 100. What when my grandparents are from Palestine. I know how Muslims in such countries behave. They behave like animals in comparison to western society.

[SakuraBlossoms87]

@Lliam - Do you ever wonder why you've never seen photos or videos of dead, injured or kidnapped Palestinian families, mothers, or children? Entire families wiped out. -- Bunch of rubbish.

But you don't see entire families of Shia Muslims in Pakistan wiped out despite being lawyers, doctors, etc. - people who contribute to the country of Pakistan and whose only flaw was being born into Shia Muslim families instead of the barbaric Sunni majority.

[SakuraBlossoms87]

@Lliam do something useful with yourself though that's likely impossible Guys & girls - why do you support Palestine, why do you support the behavior of organizations like Hamas? ↗

[Lliam]

@SakuraBlossoms87. I HAVE seen photos and videos of dead, injured or kidnapped Palestinian families, mothers, children, and entire families wiped out. That's the point. But you get your info from DailyMail and other brainwash outlets, so you have no clue. You only know what they tell you.

You're grandparents obviously never told you about the Nakba. No doubt that's why they fled Palestine. I'll bet they would be ashamed of you.

In light of your abusive attitude and crude language, you must be uneducated and low class, and ashamed of your heritage.

Because of your lack of education, I am certain that you've ever heard of people like Miko Peled or Ilan Pappé.

[SakuraBlossoms87]

@Lliam - I'm well aware of the Nakba you uneducated fool. Due to the inference of British, who stole Palestine's lands. Not the Isreali themselves. The Israelis merely took what, if your British ancestry, your dog lover relatives stole. Try to educate yourself.

And no my grandparents wouldn't be ashamed of me, they'd be ashamed of the current generation acting like dogs. Useless, filthy dogs too cowardly to fight men & who instead kidnap toddlers.

[SakuraBlossoms87]

@Lliam - you must be uneducated and low class. Actually upper class, wealthy, graduated university at 21 with 2 university degrees. I don't bother acting my actual educational level with the dregs of society like you.

[SakuraBlossoms87]

@Lliam " I HAVE seen photos and videos of dead, injured or kidnapped Palestinian families, mothers, children, and entire families wiped out"

Yet you're good for nothing liar. Almost nobody was killed in the Nakba. They were forced to move but they were not killed which is far more than the filthy dogs in Hamas and their followers can say. Islam has a hell wherein the cowards of the religion go to rot for eternity.

[blueonblack22]

@Lliam “ In light of your abusive attitude and crude language, you must be uneducated and low class, and ashamed of your heritage.”

You are real class act man. Really. Just slow applause. I mean no matter what you ever do in life always let your ego take over and never ever let anyone challenge your existing paradigm. Instead just double down, insult people and make sure you attack them personally. Way to go.

[Lliam]

@blueonblack22. Oh, but she didn't attack me personally. She didn't use the most crude and abusive language. If you don't see that, you're just as bad.

[SakuraBlossoms87]

@Lliam - aside from calling you a liar, where did I attack you personally child? Hmmm. I called you stupid because you are stupid. But I didn't offend your ancestry because unlike you, I am actually a decent person. You are just uneducated & brainwashed

[Lliam]

@SakuraBlossoms87. "social outcast", "liar", "ignorant cunt" on this thread alone. And other things on different threads? You're a low-life.

[SakuraBlossoms87]

@Lliam - well when you're lying and constantly there's absolutely no point in saying you're a good person.

[blueonblack22]

@Lliam you attacked her ancestry. Yes she called you a liar and a few other names. But she didn’t go after your ancestry, race, gender, ethnicity, religion, etc. What you said to her on that quote was on another level. All just to “win” an argument.

Anyway I thought that criticizing minority ethnicity/ancestry/race was supposed to be off limits for criticism when it came to debates, right? That’s what I’ve been told for years from leftists know betters. Unless they are white then it’s a big no no to EVER bring up the persons ethnicity during a debate.

But hey when the scenario calls for it then that’s okay eh? Even if the person you are arguing with is a Muslim herself?

I just really hope you aren’t a western leftist white guy saying all this. Really. This reminds of the video of a woke leftist white woman berating a black policeman back in 2020 for being part of the “racist infrastructure”. Absolute insanity.

[Lliam]

Get off it. How did I "attack" her ethnicity? I am defending Palestinians. I said her grandparents would probably be ashamed of her for not understanding why they had to flee their homes.

I did say she sounded ignorant and low class based on her crude language. I'll stand by that.

[Jumpintoadstool]

Thank you for saying this. There are far too many ignorant people on here brainwashed by Israeli propoganda.

[Jumpintoadstool]

@SakuraBlossoms87 you need to calm down and learn to argue without ad hominems. It makes you look emotionally inept at best and unintelligent at worst.

[BoopBoopBeep]

Because they don't travel and just parrot back what their leaders say. You can agree with them all you want, they'd still beat you in the street for being an uppity woman who isn't properly covered.

[Jumpintoadstool]

You dont have to agree with someones religious or political views to acknowledge that committing genocide is wrong. Israel is an apartheid state.

[blueonblack22]

“ Israel is an apartheid state”. Israel is a colonizer. Israel is the oppressor. Israel is this. Israel is that.

Just FYI I have never said one side of this conflict is 100% right and the other is 100% wrong. But two MAJOR facts you can’t overlook here:

- There are 49 Muslim in countries in the world and absolutely ZERO of them and I do mean zero have offered to take in Palestinian refugees. The Rafah gate to Egypt is still closed. Why is that?
- Jews have occupied Israel for 1000 years before Islam even EXISTED. I figure you probably do not believe in God. But God gave promised them that land. It is their ancestral homeland. They did NOT “colonize” it. Saying they colonized it is like saying one of the states in the USA was completely taken over by native Americans (not just a reservation but an entire state). Regardless if that land transfer was done peacefully or by force would anybody call Native American Indians “colonizers” for occupying that land?

[Jumpintoadstool]

1. I dont care what their reasons are. It is not relevant to the issue. What Israel is doing is still wrong.
2. Abraham was the first jew and he was native to mesopotamia. Thats modern day Iraq. They migrated over to "the promised land" and people were already there. They drove the real indigenous people out to what is now lebanon. People in Lebanon share a lot of dna with Palestineans. I do not accept displacement and subjugation of people on the basis of your imagined entitlement because of some holy book that can't be proven one way or the other. The kingdom of israel in that region ended 2,750 years ago. Starting wars over ancient civilizations at the expense of the people who are there now and have been for thousands of years is insanity.

[AngryCarl2]

Anyone concerned with human rights would be concerned about the plight of Palestinians. They are prisoners in their own country, blockaded on all sides. Women I've noticed prefer a diplomatic solution, whereas men would rather fight.

[blueonblack22]

A “diplomatic” solution with people who behead babies?

[AngryCarl2]

People who behead babies need to be removed from the equation.

[blueonblack22]

Okay we can agree on that. But who is doing that? Israel or Hamas?

[strateguy632]

human rights? but not those of the HOSTAGES jew and American. you can't hide. you don't really care about that or else make a fuss about hostages, and hammas must change methods.

[Jumpintoadstool]

@strateguy632 tell that to the IDF who dropped bombs on the heads of hostages in gaza. 22 of them died from israeli bombs, along with thousands of civilians. Israel doesn't give a shit about hostages. They only care about taking out opposition and land grabs.

[Billlewis]

Oh, absolutely, isn't it called 'Stockholm Syndrome'?

[blueonblack22]

Somewhat. But it’s also called mental retardation. These women live a free country and never been held captive. But since conservatives generally super Israel they think they are “rebels” and woke for doing the opposite. Even if the cause they supports is REAL oppression to women.

[Billlewis]

The more I think about it, I really believe that the main reason why white women vote the way they do is popularity. They're terrified of not being allowed in their little cliques.

[blueonblack22]

It’s about social “woke” status. But this on another level.

I thought biológical women supporting “trans” ideology (that harms real women) was bad enough. But this is absolutely next level.

[Anonymous]

Nobody approves of babies being blown up

[blueonblack22]

Actually you would be surprised. It’s horrifying.

[LostA__Aryen18]

Ignorance likely is the culprit