Do you believe that parts of modern academia are irreparably corrupt?

[YAsQuen]

Im mostly talking about biased scientist. Not neccesarily lying on purpose more so out ignorance. The idea that many of those scientist are so deep in inside their bubble that they would approve of anything coming their way.

This is excluding huge multibillion industries and politicans expecting certain results in order to better control the population.

Certain part of modern academia are akin to pseudoscience

Its mostly in order with some flaws like their always have been

Science is doing better than ever (close to infalluable)

Other

[msc545]

The opposing view is that human activities, at least to some extent have caused climate change and those changes are likely to be disastrous to many people. That is the consensus view of climate scientists. The opinion of an astrophysicist is not nearly as valuable or as valid Is that if people who actually study client for a living instead of stars.

[YAsQuen]

opposing to the mainstream...

[YAsQuen]

the opinion that u have claimed to have considered carefully. Alternate viewpoint. The arguments ur arguing against

[normalice]

I think psychology suffers from that a bit but psychology always sort of walked the line between science and religion.

The other sciences are pretty hard to influence in a way that isn't backed by evidence.

[YAsQuen]

sociology is very easily influenced.

Also the whole men bad department

[normalice]

I use sociology and psychology interchangeably.

[normalice]

Oh, and there is no "men bad" department. That's a manosphere fantasy.

[YAsQuen]

hey at least ur me from 2 years ago i can't expect much more basedness

[normalice]

Weird, I was just thinking you are me from 30 years ago 😅

[exitseven]

Whoever is paying the bills is the one that gets the results favorable to them. We have seen what a scam Covid was the global warming is just a way for certain people to get rich. Maybe the only good thing about the biden administration isd that a lot of this stuff has been exposed and people know that it cannot be trusted.

[msc545]

Covid is sure a scam. Tell that to all the dead people and all the families of all the dead people that died as a result of covid.

[YAsQuen]

@msc545 There is a difference between scam and not existing.

[exitseven]

@msc545 UT was a real virus but there was no need to close all the schools for two years, make people wear masks, let them work from home, close churches, restaurants and stores while letting just the big chains stay open, fire thousands of people for not getting vaccinated, and use it as an excuse to steal an election

[msc545]

No, what the hell, it was just a very contagious virus that killed 400,000+ Americans, but why take precautions?

[exitseven]

@msc545 it has been proven that all the so called precautions were totally ineffective. It was suspicious that the teachers union hot a two year paid vacation and they just happen to be big democrat donors. Big box stores could stay open and small businesses which overwhelmingly support President Trump were forced into bankruptcy. Airlines let people remove their masks while the ate or drank because the virus cannot be transmitted while you eat and it was a smokescreen to allow unverified mail in ballots. Starts like Florida fared better than states like California and New York because they remained open and just concentrated on vaccinating the elderly population and keeping them safe. In New York they moved infected patients into nursing homes with healthy people causing many unnecessary deaths.

[msc545]

Proven by whom? Trump?

[msc545]

You think that states like Florida "fared better" only because DeSantis lied about the number of deaths.

[exitseven]

@msc545 it was proven by science. Masks did nothing to stop it. People under 20 had virtually no chance of getting seriously ill, you could contract the virus in a big store just as easily as a small store and going to the polling place to vote posed no greater risk than going to the supermarket.

[exitseven]

DeSantis could not lie about the number of deaths. How can you cover it up? If Cuomo could not cover up all those people that he killed and he had the whole democrat machine to help him then no way could DeSantis do it either.

[msc545]

DeSantis lied.

[msc545]

"The South Florida Sun Sentinel reported that the Florida Department of Health had commenced an inquiry into the state’s reporting of COVID-19 deaths, after Governor Ron DeSantis suggested that the official reports overstate the number of deaths. According to the report, Governor DeSantis and members of his staff repeatedly questioned the accuracy of the COVID-19 death rates, with his press secretary Fred Piccolo Jr. tweeting: "we can tell you definitively that Florida is counting deaths that were not directly caused by COVID-19.” Mr. Piccolo has also sought to downplay the COVID-19 pandemic in other ways. On one occasion, he erroneously tweeted: “we had one COVID death in Florida yesterday. . yes you read that right. One.” In fact, on the day in question, there were 47 deaths."

"Data from the Centers for Disease Control and other independent public health experts suggest that Florida’s total death toll from the pandemic is actually understated. Experts noted that Governor DeSantis’ administration has used a COVID-19 infection rate that gives “more weight to negative test” results, and thus skews the results. Governor DeSantis has used the skewed rate to justify reopening schools and businesses. In response to criticism, Mr. Piccolo denied that the Governor was attempting to question the official death toll, stating “[n]o one in the administration is trying to cast doubt on the number of COVID deaths, we are trying to get to the facts.”

[msc545]

At that point in time, DeSantis had his nose so far up Trump's ass he could barely breathe and would have done anything to please him.

[YAsQuen]

@msc545 brain off google read repeat

[exitseven]

@msc545 did you read w g at I just wrote, how did he lie? How could he possibly cover uo hundreds of deaths especially with the press hounding him?

[exitseven]

@msc545 The guy was right about overstating covid deaths. Hospitals got money for every covid death. People who were shot to death and tested positive were counted. I don't know how you can "give more weight to negative resul t s" but I suppose you can make statistics say anything you want. If that is true, then why was Florida the only state to do it, ? The teachers union wanted to keep the schools closed. The democrats wanted small businesses to fail and most of all they wanted mail in ballots.

[exitseven]

I Florida the polls were open. They counted the votes in one day and there were no problems. You cannot say the same m e for a lot of states.

[YAsQuen]

hold tight googled response incoming

[Soteris]

Considering how academia works, that is nonsense. Regardless if the scientists are correct or not, bias simply can't survive in science. Any bias you have will be found and ruthlessly exterminated with great prejudice. Scientific peer review is absolutely ruthless in the regard.

[YAsQuen]

you would think that wouldn't you. What if i told you this isn't the case in social sciences at all.

Look up peter bhogasian if u interested to learn more about the topic. Also i can reccomend Pete Judo youtube channel.

Scientists are humans. Humans are flawed. I can tell you right here that most social sciences are complete bunk.

[Soteris]

So you are trying to point out that there is misconduct in the scientific community and the reason we know about it is because the scientific community found it and exposed it which demonstrates that the scientific community is good at exposing flaws, biases and fraud. Yeah, I just feel like this strengthens my case.

[YAsQuen]

Well he was widely discredtited. Its what usually happens when mainstream societies point out bullshit is pulsatig through academia.

isn't jordan peterson consideren alt right woman hater now? He is and was very well cited. ? Peter was similary often cited in sociology. The list is really endless. But what normally happens is that those people get thrown in with terrible people and idead as to discredit them.

[Soteris]

What you are suggesting do happen to some degree in Science but its a very minor issue and more importantly, is self corrected. The self correction mechanism in science is demonstrably working as intended.

[YAsQuen]

There is too much money changing hands. Media and politians are involved. Funding is based on popularity. Its bad bad.

[Soteris]

There is virtually no money changing hands. Scientists are often struggling with their funding.

[YAsQuen]

which is why they say what gets them funding

[Soteris]

Sometimes, yes. But most of the time no. Again, this is a very rare example. When it comes to scientific study retractions its like 0.2% and that also includes people just making mistakes rather than being malicious and lying.

[YAsQuen]

so we cut the pepee and give the drugs?

[Drewtate]

Science by consensus is the order of the day, basically when a scientist questions what is currently accepted by the majority of the scientific establishment they get ostracised and defunded.

[msc545]

@drewtate Proving you know nothing about science and too much about conspiracy theories

[Drewtate]

@msc545 https://youtu.be/-ydIISkKZGo?si=uPP3c2TMR_Mnv_aH

[msc545]

Some right-wing clown interviewing a scientist with an opinion. so what?

[YAsQuen]

@msc545 denies current consensus must use ad hominem. Are u hearing yourself?

[Drewtate]

@msc545 but did you not listen to what the scientist said?

[msc545]

I listened. So what?

[Drewtate]

@msc545 yet don't understand

[msc545]

Find me some data, not opinions.

[YAsQuen]

@msc545 First you have to accept the fact that u only believe what u believe right now because you have been told to do so.

[msc545]

No, I've read things and listened in class. Unlike some people and formulated my own opinions. I'm certainly not right about everything, but I'm not overtly wrong either. I don't base important beliefs on my own biased opinions. It may be that I've been told to believe certain things, but I only agreed to believe them after carefully considering them and researching them and reading about opposing points of view.

[msc545]

What you don't understand is that people like Drew based their opinions on YouTube videos and what their political leaders have told them to believe. I would suggest believing what politicians tell you to believe is far more of an error than believing what academics have taught.

[YAsQuen]

@msc545 what is the opposing view? Since u have carefully considered it

[msc545]

If you don't know or you can't figure this out, I'm not going to waste my time trying to educate you. Go back to school.

[YAsQuen]

@msc545 Ok whatever dont answer a completly reasonable question then. If ur not interested to argue in good faith i will just leave u with the best evidence that all of this is bullshit,

Nuclear Power. Modern Nuclear. Very simple.

[msc545]

I think you can figure out the opposing view on your own. Asking petty questions just to burn up time and patience isn't annoying and petty tactic. Not fallen for it.

[Billlewis]

'Parts of' it? How about all of it, in its entirety?

[YAsQuen]

the maths department is surely fine? as is medicine and engineering?

[Billlewis]

You know what I mean.

[Billlewis]

I used to say that about newspapers, too -- until the sports columnists started commenting on the climate scam.

[YAsQuen]

if we got rid of the cancer math could continue without needing to be rebuild first. There is stil influence tearing at its inetegrity and given an infinite time frame maybe those classes would also colllapse into utter nonsense but thats not the case now nor next year

[BoopBoopBeep]

Depends... are they teaching real math or that "new math" that they teach in HS? Math 410 (Theory of numbers, series and sequences) was one of the most enjoyable classes I ever took, today I'd learn that series are part of the patriarchy and sequences are representative of marginalized communities and then people would complain that I'm "day drinking" or "again"