Men bad women gud?

[YAsQuen]

I would argue that huge parts of society excreed pretty much this message. Do you agree or disagree and why.

[normalice]

I have never seen this narrative anywhere but in redpill echo chambers.

[YAsQuen]

just a little nugget

Sitcom families stupid fat dad stunning wife
ads like all of em
1 in four 4 women is sexually aussalted which pretty much means implies a huge percent of men deserves to die

I think biology makes us protect women over men in most cases. This is so pervasive and present since birth that it becomes invisisble. Its called gynocentrism.

[YAsQuen]

also thats just an ad hominem. U got conditioned to deny certain talking points on the basis that the perpetrators of said talking points are hate filled (incels)

[normalice]

Yeah, that sounds like the narrative in the redpill echo chamber alright.

[YAsQuen]

if hitler said the sky is blue. Can we conclude the sky isn't blue?

[normalice]

If Hitler said the sky is blue therefore men are the centuries-long victim of women and they should feel bad about it, should women feel bad about it, since he was right about the sky being blue?

[YAsQuen]

im telling u rejecting arguments ad homine is stupid. Also that is not what i said. A strawman.

[normalice]

A strawman sent to battle a strawman, yes.

[YAsQuen]

what is the strawman i put out there? I dont think u know what that means

[normalice]

"If Hitler said the sky is blue.." was not an accurate metaphor for anything I've responded to you with.

[YAsQuen]

its an example of ad hominem. It shows that dismissing an argument based on the person bringing it forward is stupid. Google ad hominem logical fallacy

[YAsQuen]

if hitler says...
if red pil says...
... then that must be wrong.

[normalice]

Right, neither of which are things I said or implied, thus a straw man,

[YAsQuen]

ur trolling obviousy but anyway * I have never seen this narrative anywhere but in redpill echo chambers.* is just a statement then?

I would say talking about echo chambers implies intellectual comformity?
Since i dont know how u use red pill i did assume u use it as an insult so that too might be due to my expectations.
U never said u denied the narrative but i presumed u did deny it so i guess again u have somewhat of an out.
One could presume that saying *never seen outside* implies its a very fringe opinion. Many many people dismiss opinions on such grounds alone. I did assume ur one of them.

In conclusion: there is a very high likely hood that ur a troll and u choose ur words in a precise manner.

Or...

[normalice]

I'm "trolling the troll," yes. I don't hide that. Until the mods do something about you redpill whackos, I'm going to point out you people are here to push a self-pity narrative not because any of it is true - not even because any of it is false - but because no one is stupid enough to vote republican based on merit. You don't actually care how much of what you say is accurate as long as you get to wave it in people's face.

[YAsQuen]

straw man harder daddy

[YAsQuen]

Ur assuming what i believe and then u attack those assumptions. If u dont understand why that makes a pea brain i can't help you.

[normalice]

You are telling me what you believe, lol. No assumptions needed on my end.

[YAsQuen]

what do i believe list the most damming one

[normalice]

You believe that huge parts of society excreed[sic] a men bad women gud message.

[YAsQuen]

yes. Also thats clearly true. Lets imagine that isn't the case. Does that believe alone make me a horrible human being?

[normalice]

There is no such thing as a horrible human. Just humans making horrible choices. And choosing to believe a thing just because it makes you feel good to be a victim without any actual pain is a bad choice that leads you on the path of making future horrible ones.

[YAsQuen]

So being wrong is a horrible choice. Aight. So why not try to change my way of thinking using logic? Why just assume im dumb or stupid or narrowminded.
Also for a victim mentality a painfree existence is not required. Dont really undertand what ur on about there.

Just a little test. Feminists would claim that they have been opressed for centuries and are know coming into the light for the first time. Largely fine but opressed in some ways.

That opinion is cool I assume?

[YAsQuen]

Also u assumed i have a victim mentality as a basis of my argument? Or that i have it as a constant while existing. Whats your assumption exactly? *assumptions are strawmen but im being nice*

[normalice]

Oh, I thought we were "[imagining] that isn't the case." What other explanation do you have for your desire to believe it despite it not being the case, besides because victimhood feels good?

And I've wasted way too much effort engaging in redpillers in good faith, only to find they don't want to be reasoned with, to bother trying again. You can show me you want to be reasoned with, first, and then I'll try reasoning with you.

[YAsQuen]

mostly stuff like school shooters. Boy grades, attendance, drug consumption, lonelieness (lack of friends), College admissions, College drop outs, Lack of relationships, Suicide rates, Obesity is clearly more damaging to young men, men under 30 earn less than young women under 30 (big cities only) Laws favour women, Fitness buff models,

The Media saying men bad and controlled censorship leading them down the mainstream redpill route of social isolation. Its not a coincidence that stuff is still up. They want it to be up.

You can google he yelled at me and she yelled at me.

<> is my main problem

[YAsQuen]

i mean testosterone levels. Estrogen in drinking water

[YAsQuen]

there is a series of australian ads depicting toxic masculinity. And those famous gilette ads pretty much sum up what i mean when i say the media says men bad,

[normalice]

But, again, if we're assuming none of that is true or at best cherry picked, then why would you want to believe it anyway besides because it feels good?

[YAsQuen]

ur again assuming i want my women chained to the kitchen. Keep ur assumptions away from this discussion. The points listen are real. Ur still trolling and not like u claimed *trying to argue in good faith*

ur making me sad

[normalice]

Nothing I've said suggests abything you may or may not want from women. I'm only going along with your proposal that we "pretend" it's all made up and asking what you think I should imagine your motivation for believing it anyway might be, if not victimhood.

[YAsQuen]

how is this funny for you, This is just sad

[normalice]

I know

[YAsQuen]

hubris. Narrow minded. Insecure.

[normalice]

I wouldn't accuse you of having hubris. I might accuse myself of it if you gave any indication, whatsoever, that you were going to suddenly whip out a deep arsenal of reason. But I think not. You can't even respond to your own hypothetical situation so I don't have a reason to fear you might out-objective-think me.

[YAsQuen]

ur barely holding on

[normalice]

Ur projecting 🙃

[YAsQuen]

yeah about that... I got some bad news

[normalice]

As if I'd accuse you of exposing yourself to any other kind, lol.

[YAsQuen]

kid?

[YAsQuen]

ur 22 ish

[normalice]

Ask ur mom, lulz

[Agagagagaga]

@YAsQuen Save yourself the trouble man, you’re arguing with a sodomite who is the product of estrogen in the drinking water.

[normalice]

@Agagagagaga i do love me some sodomy. With ur mom.

[Anonymous]

There's some truth to it, but I think it's getting better now.