How dangerous were the nazis ideologies and how did they make their arguments so convincing?

[ChefPapiChulo]

[Effably]

Which ones?

Most people are keen to believe they are special and better. Not the most difficult sell.
Propaganda works well. We can see similar things in the U. S today with things like Freedom.

The antisemitism, jew hate, was much easier than people today might expect. The Jewish population had a stranglehold on the financial upper end of Germany. If you were not Jewish, you were denied access and if you were Jewish, you had much higher odds of making it. This of course is largely true today too.

But the simple fact is that it was a struggling country with a fiercely privileged group. Focusing blame on that group was easy. When seizing their assets and reinvesting them then revitalized the country that would make it seem as though the assertion was correct. From zero to unstoppable world power. That sort of progress will sweep up a lot of people.

Its never easy to talk about because you always sound like a bit of a nazi when stating history fairly. The Jewish population did not deserve what happened. The Nazi regime was horrible. But there is a reason it was so easy to target that group and that it yielded such strong results, there was no group earning more resentment at the time, much of it earned. None of it will ever justify what happened after.

[ChefPapiChulo]

wrong. they invaded countries where they gained resources. war and stealing the wealth of other countries gave the illusion that the economy had recovered.

[Effably]

They certainly did that too. Not taking resources after an invasion would have been odd.

Them having other sources of resource does not make anything I said wrong though. It is not an absolute source but many streams that goes into funding all countries.

[ChefPapiChulo]

"When seizing their assets and reinvesting them then revitalized the country that would make it seem as though the assertion was correct. From zero to unstoppable world power. That sort of progress will sweep up a lot of people."

the worth of the jewish population in Germany would have been close to 30billion in todays money. that is not enough to recover an economy, but that would help. they stole a lot more wealth from other countries than they stole from the jews. educate yourself.

[Effably]

Are you being antagonistic just because?

Germany built up their country first, then fought. 1933 is when they began seizing, coercing and stealing jewish assets. Well before the wars began. Did they also get funds from successful wars? Absolutely. Did they siphon more from that? Almost certainly.

Does any of that in any way invalidate anything I said? No.

[ChefPapiChulo]

you clearly dont understand the militarization of germany brought in new jobs. resources were pulled into this, thats why the nazis needed to invade other countries and what led to the invasion of the soviet union. because they needed to fund their war machine. your ignorance is baffling.

[Effably]

See had that been your point I would agree! And I do!

But again, you're missing the point of what I said. I never said that them taking the resources was the sole cause, or even the main cause, of the revitalization of Germany. Merely that they took them and the country got better.

Investing in military absolutely generated more work. Turned out to be a short term solution. And likely was a cause of the actions taken later.

But none of that contradicts with the initial question and answer where the ideology and atrocities worked because they seemed to yield results.
Whether or not the results truly came from those actions is not relevant. People at the time would not have known.

Now stop being problematic because I answered your question instead of gave you a comprehensive overview of germany pre-war financial sources which was not requested. There is an expectation for you to intuit things around your question mate.

[ChefPapiChulo]

no, that is not what made it seem successful. if anything what you're talking about would be a subset of their propaganda machine.

"The antisemitism, jew hate, was much easier than people today might expect. The Jewish population had a stranglehold on the financial upper end of Germany. If you were not Jewish, you were denied access and if you were Jewish, you had much higher odds of making it. This of course is largely true today too."

this is what made realize you're full of shit. its obvious what inaccurate picture you're trying to paint.

[Effably]

Honestly, mate I am glad it was you having an issue with something like that rather than just being problematic for the sake of.

My last paragraph does return to this you know. There are truthful answers and clever answers. I went for a truthful one. But it absolutely can breed the wrong ideas today. While I made an effort to do so in a responsible way, and I think that shows, I agree it could be used to breed more hate today and it might be better to forget some parts of history to avoid that.

I also frequently applaud Jews for being the smartest, IQ measured, group both ethnically and religiously. Its perfectly fine that you take issue with a statement that could be misconstrued to generate hate.

Now from my point of view I have been nothing but truthful and reasonable and you are throwing shit at the wall trying to make things stick and each time I refute one thing you move to the next. Finally going as far as accusing me of being pro-nazi. Which I am not.

Lets consider this over. I didn't answer to have to rebuke desperate attempts at some highschool debate over and over. You're usually more reasonable.

[ChefPapiChulo]

“ I also frequently applaud Jews for being the smartest, IQ measured, group both ethnically and religiously. It’s perfectly fine that you take issue with a statement that could be misconstrued to generate hate.”

Also wrong. Jews aren’t ethnically the same. They are very diverse. There are personality reasons, largely from cultural, as to why they tend to succeed. Traits such as discipline, unity, studious and many other things.

[ChefPapiChulo]

My biggest issue is you say ignorant things with confidence.

[Effably]

Jew is an ethnoreligious group. Are you really calling me ignorant for knowing and acknowledging that?

Just like before nothing I said is wrong. You're poking at additions to the statements. Are Jews a diverse group? Absolutely!
Is it likely that their heavy focus on study from a young age, which come from religious reason, is the core rather than the ethnicity? Of course!

But Jewish is still an ethnical group, diverse as it is. Just like it is a religious group. Stop being so damn contrarian for no reason. Not a single thing I have said has actually been wrong. All you keep doing is pointing out there is more to a full picture, and in your ability to point that out, proving that I didn't need to write the full essay for you and did indeed properly gauge your level of knowledge, if not intelligence.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Yeah you’re right. You’re never wrong and you’re a genius. by the way Jewish isn’t an ethnic group. I would say your issue is a linguistics problem, but it also a problem with general knowledge.

[Levin]

I mean, that's a complicated answer. I know people roll their eyes at it but I saw parallels with covid. People are very easily manipulated by fear. And the regime were very much aware of psychological manipulation techniques. Such as repetition, psychological priming, myriad others. But it all comes back down to fear. Fear makes people lose their head.

But I suppose you could also say that it takes two to tango. So there was something within the people that was making them resonate with those ideas. You can't just blame the regime. Because if the population were well developed and wise, then the nutjobs in power could say what they like, and the population would not go along with it. But there's always 90% of useful idiots. And they are dangerous useful idiots. They will go along with anything, if not for a path of least resistance and it doesn't personally detract from their own situation in the immediate moment.

If you want to make a spiritual argument, you could say, that humanity needs to go through its shadow, in order to raise its consciousness. Again, it comes back to there being something within the people that makes them a match for everything that took place. Credulity and susceptibility to propaganda is one of the myriad forces at work.

[bededazzle]

understand the fears and prejudices of the dispossessed and feed these. care more about utter destruction than winning.

[bededazzle]

oh yeah and dole out a lot of meth lol

[Snakeyes7]

The Nazis of today think that we should be handing all of our rights over to the World Economic Forum for the sake of changing the weather.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Are you going to talk about Jewish space lasers next?

[Snakeyes7]

You know what? Considering how fucked we are going to be in the next decade, I am willing to consider the possibility that the Rothschilds used a space laser to start the 2018 forest fire.