Why don’t people trust experts?

[OddBeMe]

Funny how series “Chernobyl” premiered months before Covid.

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https://youtu.be/lonm3nyKO_U?si=jJfT99tdjEGx-fMj

[WindAtMyBack]

I'll listen to experts, but experts can be full of shit like anyone else. So I always keep that in mind. You don't have to get screwed over by experts too many times before you learn that lesson. Whether it's scientists, doctors, lawyers, or the professional mechanic on the corner, they can all be wrong, and often are.

As for Chernobyl, at one time I spent a considerable amount of time studying that. If you want to break it down into the simplest terms, it was a lack of communication. There were many things involved, but lack of communication is what set the whole thing in motion.

If you look at Three Mile Island here in the US, the underlying problem was lack of training, and instruments that didn't give the necessary information for the workers to react to a problem. They misread an instrument, and did the exact opposite of what they should have done.

[ShaniaWWE]

@WindAtMyBack it's just hard arguing with experts with studies and sources when you are just an ordinary person with just your experience

[WindAtMyBack]

@ShaniaWWE
Actually it's very easy to argue with them, especially if they are wrong. And they ARE wrong, and quite often. This has been shown to be true over and over again.

[ShaniaWWE]

This is something scientists always say. You can't argue with science. Isn't it correct

[WindAtMyBack]

@shaniawwe

Proper science DOES argue with science. That's one of the most important parts of good science. It's why good science requires peer review and duplication. It also requires withstanding the test of time. Just in my lifetime there have been MANY things that scientists were saying, then several years later they decided their original view was wrong.

This isn't just about science though. It's about experts, who exist in every field.

[NaultD]

Dumb People don't have object permanence. Like a baby who is entertained by peek a boo. It's only real until they see it in front of them. Like flat earthers. They are retroactively making scientific research from an original hypothesis.

At the same time when it directly impacts themselves it matters but still irreverent why. It's drives me insane. Covid19 killed over 1,000,000 people over all other expected deaths. The average person just didn't give a fuck. The equipment of all of south Dakota drop dead, or how about the 10 most populated city Austin texas dropping dead. The equivalent loss of human life but in baby food formula.

I just hate them and i don't know how to help them until it's too little to late.

[OddBeMe]

It is like an intellectual object permanence isn’t it? Someone said this… first they don’t believe it, then it’s explained to them like babies, and then they say “I believed it the whole time”. Something like that.

[Juxtapose]

[NaultD]

@Juxtapose that is apart of data gathering to find causastions and correlation. So you take the average deaths nationwide and covid19 deaths and see exact causes. So car crashes or meth lab explosions are relatively close you can guess it's not impacted by covid19 but you need that data to begin with to start that argument.

If it's within a resonable difference you can guess the virus isn't effected by that dearh but if there is major increases people can start figuring out whats going on. Thats how we figured out its more lungs, heart and even toes storing all the dead cells away from said lungs and heart far away from anything important.

We did the same thing with drunk driving. How does a bottle of liquor at a bar create a car crash hour later? You use data from other crashes and see high levels of alcohol consumption and we can presume drunk driving is dangerous. It took millions of data and decades of examples to say definitively drunk driving is always the cause of an traffic wreck.

Also we found out high levels of reckless motorcycle accidents are cat owners because later on they found out about parasites that messed up people's fear response from rats into cats then into people's brain.

We could only figure that out from decades if not centurys of data gathering. So with covid19 we knew basically nothing and need to learn it as fast as possible so everything is getting looked at. So with everyone looking at data points of course the best strategy changes with additional information. It would be worth anything if it didn't change with new data.

[Juxtapose]

You could get shot in the head and on your death certificate it will say you died of covid. That's BS.

[NaultD]

@Juxtapose hypothetically if there was a zombie apocalypse starting you would see signs of aggressive behavior like gun shots and see how much of a difference there is compared to historical averages. If it is close to normal averages you can assume it's not effected by it but you still need to collect the data first.

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose we’ve discussed this and you keep ignoring. If someone vulnerable dies of a cold yet has Covid too, what is the cause of death? Being Covid is an autoimmune deficiency virus.

[Juxtapose]

Covid deaths are counted in blanket bad faith. You get shot in the head but have covid? It's a covid death. It's pure lunacy and done in absolutely bad faith for the sake of big pharma.

[Anonymous]

After so much of what we were told was "the science" and absolute fact was proven later to be a lie, why would we trust them? Money is just as green to them as it is to anyone.

[OddBeMe]

Examples?

[OddBeMe]

https://youtu.be/lonm3nyKO_U?si=jJfT99tdjEGx-fMj

[Opinion Owner]

Masks stop the spread of the virus. If you get the vaccine, you can't catch or spread the virus.

[OddBeMe]

Yet it did. Protesters with masks: no Covid. Protesters without: COVID SPIKE.
www.theguardian.com/.../texas-caleb-wallace-anti-mask-protests-freedom-dies-covid-19

[Opinion Owner]

I disagree. You believe what you want, I'll do the same.

[OddBeMe]

Nothing is perfect. Science said vaccines were 90% and omg…it was 91% effective. Of course you can “get” Covid but it’s a small cold as oppose to death. If you can’t grasp that I don’t know what I can do…

[Opinion Owner]

But that isn't what we were told.

[DryGermanGuy]

Dunning-Krüger effect. Uneducated people are too uneducated to know that they are uneducated. So they rather believe simple solutions and conspiracy nonsense provided by rabble-rousers on the internet. This whole tale of people being able to make "an infooormed decision" is such an American farce for 90% of the population.

[Juxtapose]

Appealing to authority is a logical fallacy.

The truth is the truth, it doesn't matter if you have a fancy degree or if the government sponsors what you do or not.

Profit motive is one the biggest indicator of truthfulness. Plenty of experts in the past would tell you cigarettes were just fine or that it was okay to have cocaine in your soda pop. Experts also told black people that were being experimented on with syphilis that they were being treated when in reality they were letting the black people die.

[DextroShade]

In the case of COVID the "experts" have been caught lying or just being flat out wrong and trying to gaslight the public way too many times. It also doesn't help that the guy they appointed to manage the response (Fauci) is also responsible for funding the Chinese lab that created the virus in the first place! The masks are useless and the people at the top knew it but lied, the prime example being Gavin Newsom telling everyone to put on their masks between bites and then having his private mask less party at the French Laundry.

[BoopBoopBeep]

Experts don't always agree. Look at, well, pretty much any case where a defendant is claiming temporary insanity or any sort of mental defense. You have your expert witness interview him, I have my expert witness interview him, we'll see which one the jury believes.

Now when it's something like gravity... people deny that just because they're f'ing crazy.

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

Everyone listened to the experts during Covid 19 and look what happened a million dead many more ruined for life because of side effects. Food for thought, shut down everything for TWO WEEKS to flatten the curve a couple of days later New York started with the Empire Pass then the Feds with their record of shot for Covid but did anyone notice that they had space for recording up to 6 vaccinations. Something tell me they knew more than they told us. SO NO I DO NOT TRUST THE EXPERTS!

[exitseven]

Experts are usually liars with a bunch of letters after their name that are on somebody's payroll that wants a specific outcome.

[Dargil]

Because "experts" are inevitably academes whose research is supported by donors (and government) with ideological goals. The Warmist Hoax is a perfect example.

[Drewtate]

The public has been lied to far too often and so called experts wheeled out to back the lies up.

[OddBeMe]

Examples? (Cue Fauci, anyone else?)

[Drewtate]

Wmds in Iraq.

[OddBeMe]

Uhh don’t remember science saying that.

[Drewtate]

"Why don’t people trust experts?"
Experts testified on the risk of WMDs. They lied.

[OddBeMe]

In fact right wing warmongers were so incensed it caused a scientist whistleblower to kill himself.
www.theguardian.com/.../body-of-wmd-dossier-scientist-david-kelly-exhumed

[OddBeMe]

I will agree it wasn’t a good year for journalists. The NYT gal infamously took a Cheney quote of wmd and published it. The general at the UN blatantly lied.

But experts sussed them out. You wouldn’t know it was a scandal if it weren’t for experts.

[Drewtate]

They found experts to say there were WMDs in Iraq.

[OddBeMe]

And how do we know now they were conspiring? Experts? Duh.

[Drewtate]

Conspiring or not, they were wrong. Healthy skepticism is good, history dealing with the US government teaches that.

[OddBeMe]

Sure so how do decide what’s true or not?

[Drewtate]

Usually the best way is to decide based on who's getting rich off of it. Money buys everything

[OddBeMe]

The people , asking money are the least truthful. Hence all the gold commercials on right wing Tv. Exact opposite actually, the rich are trying to get rid of it.

[OddBeMe]

*(not asking) with the

Lol

[Drewtate]

Corporations advertise to whoever they figure their market is. Gold on right wing channels because they figure Conservatives have gold or want gold. There'd be no point trying to advertise bud light there. That's why you are more likely to see Tom Selleck selling reverse mortgages on reruns of say Matlock or little house on the prairie.
If a company is trying to sell to the left wing they will try to use Social justice or use a multiracial couple or lgbtq couple etc.
A trend I notice with loan companies, banks and credit cards is targeting minorities especially black women to take out loans or use a credit card, i guess they figure black women are more likely to blow their money. They talk about black spending power but never about black debt.
https://youtu.be/j9x15lR9VIg?si=ea53X508z0zgTbV-
https://youtu.be/rwt4tROFbMw?si=0aZuTDVdUHEl-gnQ

[jshm2]

Because everyone and their fucking dog thinks 5 minutes on Google makes them an "expert". Thus "real" experts must do the same!

Bellends, the lot of them.

[gorydetails]

Who are you calling experts? The government bureaucrats who take kickbacks from companies to parrot what the companies want them to say?

[msc545]

DryGerman guy said "Dunning-Krüger effect" and he is absolutely right. People think that their "common sense" and "street smarts" are better than educated opinions and knowledge. They are very wrong.

[OddBeMe]

Damn that Kraut for speaking of our faults!
@DryGermanGuy

[NathanDavis]

expertise... can be trusted to a point

experts, are still for hire...

[OddBeMe]

Sure, so how do you know if something is true or not?

[NathanDavis]

critical thinking... and then compromise

[OddBeMe]

That’s vague. I’d look for a consensus amongst experts in the related field.

I have a cancerous cell? I’ll talk to a few oncologists.
Is immigration an issue? I’ll listen to experts over pols.

[NathanDavis]

a consensus is, a compromise

[OddBeMe]

No that’s kinda literally the opposite.

[NathanDavis]

well it is... when you compromise when you concede your decision making... to the agreement of others

[OddBeMe]

Consensus is the opposite. It’s seeing something as true and agreeing. Uranium can be regulated to power electric plants. That wasn’t a compromise dude. That’s a fact that was discovered and agreed on.

If another component was better it’d be considered and then agreed upon by nuclear scientists.

[OddBeMe]

I think you’re confusing two different uses of “concede”. I can concede an argument were I to see you were right.

[NathanDavis]

funny that you think that the last decisions are made by scientists, rather than investors... lol

[OddBeMe]

Funny you think there is a last decision. Science is always bettering. Hence megabyte to gigabyte to tera and peta, etc…

[NathanDavis]

sure... just like the latest "long lasting" light bulbs that keep working less and less time every year, right?

[Levin]

See Covid1984. I think faith in experts has hit rock bottom.

[OddBeMe]

I saw the same things you did just with different lenses I suppose.

I also was skeptical of Trump, not science.

[Levin]

Trump makes a lot of noise. Do Americans not value peace and quiet?

by the way I met an American artist after a gig on Wednesday. She was quite delightful.

[OddBeMe]

Many of us are. And tbh as a liberal, I hate liberals as people lol. But I can't not agree with them.

[OddBeMe]

But it was Trump who said Covid hit thirteen o’clock, so don’t worry.

I paraphrase.

[Levin]

Trump seems to be on your mind.

[OddBeMe]

He’s the leading Republican candidate, you know. Not sure why I get asked that when you fucks are in so in love with him.

I would love never to hear or mention his name again.

[Levin]

I've just said he's loud and annoying. Do you actually listen to anything that I say?

Surely your brain works better than this or that dualistic thinking. Only two options? Lumping me into one category or another?

[OddBeMe]

Yet who would you vote for Biden or Trump in 2024? Be honest.

[Levin]

Neither. They're both retarded. If those are the two best candidates your country can field then we've got some serious problems as a species.

Although of course I have a particular distaste for Biden because of his fascistic and evil policies on covid. Forcing federal workers to get the Satan venom.

[OddBeMe]

The best never runs for politics. People vote for personalities or issues that these presidents really don’t have power over.

But not voting still influences. Just admit you’d vote for Trump because he’s closer to your politics. That’s why I’m voting Biden.

[Levin]

I'm from England. You keep voting for the contemptible geriatric. You get what you deserve.

[OddBeMe]

Right and how’s Brexit going?

[Levin]

This is some poor quality trolling man.

[OddBeMe]

Sorry I couldn’t keep up with your English high standards. Have fun flushing your economy down the tube.

[Levin]

None of that applies to me since I don't subscribe to any of it. It's not my fault the population is retarded.

[OddBeMe]

Saying covid1984 is one way

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Because most people have common sense unlike you and know when they are being manipulated and BS.

[OddBeMe]

40% of you aren’t vaccinated, 40% don’t have common sense, 40% follow blindly what pedagogues say. Because they have a hat.

[Avicenna]

Odd is too stupid to realize he knows nothing and can’t interpret anything either

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@Avicenna: I found that out about him a long time ago.

[Avicenna]

Yup…..

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna you guys have hats?

[Avicenna]

You’re a Good Little Marxist, Odd.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna I love when you regurgitate words with no understanding of them.

[Avicenna]

Your long paper trail proves you’re a Marxist.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna and that is…what? Because The constitution could be called Marxist in some parts.

[ThrillSeeker01]

They don't know enough

[OddBeMe]

Concise.

[Anonymous]

Because the experts clearly failed Chernobyl as well.

[OddBeMe]

Which experts failed Chernobyl?

[Opinion Owner]

The experts that claimed to know what they were doing with a nuclear power plant.

[OddBeMe]

The problem was, if you read-watch-study in any way shape or form- that exerts weren’t in charge of it and in fact silenced…kind of Iike during Covid.

[Opinion Owner]

So you admit that many doctors who tried to speak out about how awful the covid plan was got censored?

It's almost like debates are a good thing and that political censorship only causes problems.

[OddBeMe]

There were several. And they were heard and found to be full of shit. By other EXPERTS.

[OddBeMe]

Human nature still affects scientists to regain 15 mins of fame. And spouting fake news unfort gets thst.

[Opinion Owner]

Who was paying those experts? I think that would have a lot to do with what they had to say about that.

[OddBeMe]

You were. Every click or minute watched gave them or their YouTube shows more advert $$ or monetization.

[Opinion Owner]

No I'm talking about the doctors on the government level who thought it was a good idea to ruin people's lives if they don't take the vaccine and that the vaccine distributors like Pfizer would be immune to lawsuits.

[Sevenpointfive]

but you still believe fauci?

[OddBeMe]

I beleive the same science has he’s stated. I don’t check in on him.

[Sevenpointfive]

then what're you good for?

[OddBeMe]

lol. I check in on science. What do you do?

[Sevenpointfive]

manual stimulation? that's science

[OddBeMe]

I mean there’s hookers.

[Sevenpointfive]

you don't check in on fauci, the science or the hookers?

[RedInnocent68]

Politics.