Who sees through Andrew Tate’s bs?

[MzAsh]

In his recent one on one with Piers Morgan, it appears he served up a hefty feast of falsehoods. Topics on the menu ranged from the number of children and their mothers, to the nature of his legal troubles, his perspectives on women, and the state of his finances and assets, and more.

His insistence that those infamous chat logs are fake (sure lol). Watching him bend over backward to reframe his past comments and tweets (what modern women are doing still lives rent free in his head), painting himself as the proverbial nice guy, is a spectacle in itself.

But I know there are many men of gag who know better than this.

Updates

+1 y

In response to sixfootsexy, the very fact of placing women in those two boxes is part of the problem. Look, women are people and need to work. Most men can’t afford to financially support us. And too many who do, still aren’t leading properly. If men want peace, they have to create it FIRST. That means leading with service, selflessness, humility, and complete loyalty. Not even Andrew Tate can afford that now.

[ShadezMcgee]

I only became aware of this guy from shorts or comments that worked its way into my feed. So I only know him against my will. A couple of YouTube deep divers have done videos on the guy about his legitimacy and track record.

The guy thrives on controversy, clout and exposure regardless if good or bad, so in this case you are doing him a favor by talking about him here, Ash.

I believe he makes a few good points, but he over exaggerates to the point of it being hard to take him seriously. For example how he described his birth in his biography. Hard to take seriously and it is hard to tell if he is just trolling or is that much of an ego maniac that does it to hype himself up. Either way, he does what influencers always do. Push content and get views, follows, comments and exposure through it all.

The difference is that Tate is making himself a front runner as a male voice for men especially young men who feel lost and misguided by what society pushes on them and lack of a positive father figure. So they will go to the man who seems to make sense. An unfortunate but true thing taking place.

[MzAsh]

Thing is, I have doubts it’s about guys looking to a man who ‘makes sense.’ It seems more like they’re looking to a man who validates their bad behavior and entitlements. Young guys see him and suddenly degenerate behavior like fraud, sexism, violence, knocking up several women and never being around, and manipulation looks cool, and they see it as permission to keep acting foolish.

[ShadezMcgee]

I feel you are greatly overthrowing that. Is that plausible for some of these men? Yes. Is it the case for all? No. They see a guy who has what they have been told by other male influencers, not just Tate, that makes them high value men or what will build them up to be the best man they can, ie. Purpose, wealth, fitness, assets, women, being able to fight and not be a pushover.

That is what young men are looking for
They are frustrated at failure not just with women but their lives in general. Unlike women, they have to build value Ash. And they have to keep growing and sustaining it until they die. They can't stop or get complacent in anything and that is a lot of pressure. There is no one to teach them that and they certainly won't listen to women because doing that has resulted in failure and the opposite.

[ShadezMcgee]

Overthinking*

[Malwi93]

what did he write about his birth

[MzAsh]

Not getting everything you want is a part of growing up. When you’re 70 and have worked your ass off your whole to gain self awareness and what really brings your life purpose and meaning and gotten nowhere, then you can complain about failure. Guys in their 20s and 30s who are frustrated because they struggle to get laid isn’t failure. I’m over all these young guys who act like it’s a global crisis. No, the crisis is their outlook.

[ShadezMcgee]

Slow down a second. No one will get everything they want in life. They may get close, but if they continue to strive to new heights it will be reality. So you can only complain about failure when your older and at the end of life and realize that the things you did yielded no results?

Getting laid is a sma issue compared to the real one. Men are not leading and teaching their fellow men, brothers and sons what healthy masculinity is and it is not easy when anything that men do on the norm is practically labeled toxic. So by teaching men to be men, we are already inherently toxic. So what are men to do? Lead and embrace their core masculinity like they should or bend the knee to what society is saying is real masculinity? Like I said in my MyTake I wrote.

A crisis is still a crisis. You have young men in their 20s and 30s lost and aimless due to lack of role models and father figures and mentors to guide them. It isn't an outlook when it is a glaring issue that needs to be resolved and will take work and time to do so. Which brings us back to Tate.

Like it or not, despite the shitty things he has been accused of and things that he says, he does have credible points that the younger men need to deal with and face. How we go about fixing it is perhaps better suited for someone other than Tate who is a mere talking head and uses it to his advantage, much like other influencers and coaches abound.

[ShadezMcgee]

@Malwi93 he wrote that when he was born he did not cry. I am going off second hand reporting from a guy who did a deep dive on him and read his biography, but apparently when Tate was born "He did not cry. When the doctor spanked me, my face contorted into anger and my fist clenched and I growled at him" almost verbatim. So again, reading that I find him hard to take seriously because he is either taking the piss and trolling or his ego is so out of whack that he believes that. Either way, not something to take seriously.

[SixFootSexy]

There are two things that Andrew Tate does that mainstream media won't. He frames women as either: Feminists or whores. The Madonna-whore dichotomy doesn't really exist anymore for him. He is a magnet to all kinds of low-quality women, because traditional, conservative women will give him a wide berth. This is the main reason he's popular with young men. They see themselves as rejected by women, and see women as either nags or 304's.

Until women present themselves and start acting not as boss babes competing with men, but feminine, nurturing women who want to be mothers, not much will change. In all likelihood, WWIII will happen prior to that change so I'm not holding my breath.

Ho'ing/Nagging

[strateguy632]

just to add clarity: nurture and "mothers" to children.
not like some women who call their spouse child. i dump those the same day... after calling them a child back, lol.

[SixFootSexy]

@strateguy632 For sure, no solid man wants a woman to "mom" him. Unless he's like, got a cold or something. Then make us chicken noodle soup.
Men settle when they find a woman who brings peace, if they are wise. Too few women willing to bring that to a home because they aren't at peace within themselves.

[wolfcat87]

This is funny. I agree that he's playing off of what you're saying. Hopefully things never go in reverse. Women should do whatever they are good at just like men should.

I don't agree on the no solid man wants a woman to mom him. Tons of men with BDE LOVE IT! Everyone's just a kid inside a body that is aging and falling apart around them. People who feel the need to hide that seem sad. Tons of men don't want peace either. Talk about not living. That's like already being dead for some people, and there's nothing wrong with them wanting spice in their life or you wanting peace. It's all god.

[mandyfire98]

This clown is literally taking advantage of young men and reaping the benefits. He's a conman and grifter. Just like when lawyers asked about his comments and his reply was " Everything I said was fake, its a character" just proved that he is full of shit and his followers end up looking like complete and utter bafoons for buying into it. They all got played lol.

Tate is a conman, grifter, can only get women that he promised money to, he's a human trafficker, all around insecure piece of garbage. He had his 15 minutes but his fame is slipping and dying off. His "movement" is dying. Now make way for the next carny trying to make a buck.

[Siri137]

I have no idea what the "infamous chat logs" are, but I do know that it doesn't take much to see through the garbage he spews whenever he opens that trap of his that never seems to shut.

As for the "men of GAG", as far as I can tell most of them actually believe the rubbish he promotes.

[strateguy632]

because he supports his claims and bothers to provide context.

[Siri137]

@strateguy632 No he doesn't.

[Miristheiss]

Your take is kind of lame.

He gives his advice/opinions on LOTS of subjects.

You (a woman, what a shock) just come in with your fell swoop and what to just say every single thing he espouses is BS.

Women are easily swayed by emotion and group think. Easily manipulated.

For those with logic and discernment, you can actually listed to his arguments and make up your own mind which ones you agree with or you consider wise advice and which ones you reject.

He must espouse and criticize 100s of different topics.

I agree with many of his arguments and there are some I reject.

I consider someone coming along and saying it is all BS, none of his arguments are good or would be good for society to be BS.

[MzAsh]

I never said everything he espouses is bs. I’m sure there are some things he says and believes that I don’t believe us bs. But his interview with Piers Morgan, much of it was bs. by the way, this wasn’t meant to be a take. More like, a question. I have an actual take over at: damesthatknow.com/.../

[Lionman95]

He is an influencer like many others. I don´t see why so many people are focused on Tate. Sure he has these allegiations but even that seems pretty normal for an influencer to me. Like a guy of his fame status has sooner or later some kind of allegiations at his hand.
Tate to me is one of these examples why becoming famous shouldn´t be a goal in modern day since anything he says is put on a pedestral.
He profits a modern culture where there are few good male rolemodels and many guys grow up without a father or a guy that´s a bit older and they can relate to. So Tate made a business in this area as do many other guys but everybody just loves to talk about Tate. Since Tate is the projected evil in modern society while he´s just one out many.

[ImHere22]

Well he's a sex-trafficking, woman-hating, pos, so I hope him and his brother rot in prison and the women they forced into sex slavery and porn, etc. are helped and given whatever resources they need for the rest of their lives.

Tate is among the lowest of the scum of the earth and deserves nothing but pain for all the hurt and violation he's caused.

And anyone who's defending that trash, seriously, what's wrong with you?

[Grond21]

Even he talks about the difficulties facing many men today, he is often right. But then he uses the attention he gets to push a message of misogyny, toxicity, lack of virtue, lack of character, sexual predation, moral depravity, and an absolute disregard for the truth. He is a hypocrite of the highest order, becoming the male version of everything he accuses women and feminism of doing.

[strateguy632]

he wrote that: that stuff is not okay. stop believing short headlines and read the tweet itself.

[Grond21]

I don't read his tweets. I watch what he says behind the paywalls. Or when he thinks only his followers are listening.

[strateguy632]

i saw an example where a headline quoted a phrase from tate, sensational? but ignored the stuff around it! until later bringing fill tweet where he clarified his intentionby the phrase at the tome of writing. people think tate is bad. he is not bad.

more than half his stuff has good points and criticism with reason... but some people only read headlines and get the wrong impression... most can't handle constructive criticism so they attack tate wrongly.

[MzAsh]

Many do that, but there’s plenty that he says with his full chest that is enough for criticism.

[loveslongnails]

Since this was your only response here, Mz. Ash, I'd like to comment on your update. Rather than get into it with some 36+ yr old single guys, I find it fascinating that every declining factor in relationships, primarily in the USA, is now the fault of some form of feminism, women not knowing what they want, or women KNOWING what they want which isn't what men want, or women knowing what they want and being too bossy about getting it! It's the woman who is not "presenting herself" properly, or in a functional maternal, nurturing way that screams "take care of me, I will honor you and give you babies".

For heaven's sake, your point about single income families gets completely overlooked. It's possible for maybe 3% of the population having children, AT BEST. Most families are treading water with 2 incomes. And in order to get two incomes, or any sort of pay equity if you're a single mom, a woman had to LEARN to be aggressive enough to compete with a man. You don't "nurture" your way into a job, and survival comes first for your kids and yourself with so many deadbeat dads shirking their responsibilities as well. It just seems that guys who point and say "what do you offer, where's your feminine, loving, peace-making, nurturing side" don't like being told "it's waiting for a man for isn't so damn full of himself".

[Sun_Kim-Ai]

I just know he was the guy who made a video mocking Greta Thunberg and the cartoon of a pizza in said video got him arrested for human trafficking in Romania.

[Nikki1989]

I saw right through him the very first time I read one of is interviews. It is sad that some young men are so easily brainwashed.

[SixFootSexy]

It's easy to say his followers were easily brainwashed... But examine the demographic for 2 seconds and you'd realize: If you had the kind of programming/brainwashing that young men have from mainstream media today, that there is no "good" or healthy masculinity, you'd be listening to anyone who encouraged what is in your nature. Society constantly dunks on men, fatherhood, and more. Men need role models, and sadly that most in pop culture are not great.

[MzAsh]

I definitely believe there are examples of healthy and positive masculinity. Sadly they don’t seem to be very popular because it’s not glamorous.

[Gwendoline]

You know I've yet to see anything that wrong with what he's said or done. Certainly telling young men not to sit at home all day wanking to porn, letting themselves get overweight, not exercising and being a drain on soceity

[Gwendoline]

How old is this question lol

[NathanDavis]

all I saw was BS through and through... not even a sheer veil of doubt about it... lol

[DJB72]

Tate is a walking pile of shyte. He's deluded.

The danger is what he talks about is probably around 80% true. That's the draw.

[strateguy632]

good estimate i agree.

[Malwi93]

If he says truth then why u called him delusional

[DJB72]

The best lie is 90% or more truth. But the truth is absolute.
Think of it like maths: pi is 3.141592653... etc but if you enter it as 3.141492653... etc you'll get the wrong answer. It doesn't matter if every other number in the sequence is right, that one digit prevents you from getting the correct answer. Even if you believe it with all your being, you're wrong.

More simply, 2+2=4, not 3.99999

[Malwi93]

so what do u like about what he says

[DJB72]

Very little. He's not the "alpha" male he tries to portray himself as. Sure he's got money and I guess some people are attracted to his looks, but he comes across as empty. He quotes others and tries to pass it off as original ideas but he's saying thing Jordan Peterson was saying ten years ago.

He's a small man trying to be big in a world where he's actually irrelevant. There's better fighters out there with more substance - Mike Tyson, Frank Bruno, George Foreman to name a few - who even at their advanced age he'd lose to. And he knows it. He's got less business sense than my 5 year old son as shown by his car collection which halved in value the second he bought them "new".

If he had an original thought I'm sure his head would explode.

I don't doubt if he chose to fight me physically I'd lose badly, but so what? He has nothing I want and what I have in my heart he can't buy.

[OneViewpoint]

The proper question is who doesn't see through Andrew Tate's bullshit. And the answer is some pathetic, needy, insecure, and not very bright men.

[rigmarole]

I know he likes fucking trannies...

https://www.youtube.com/embed/tMF7_HJmqSo

[Unit1]

Hard to say which is which. When we say "men are lonely" we are unheard except for our same gender members. When Andrew Tate says "men are lonely" it's BS or what?

[jennifer_bloom]

One day the karma dragon will get him and his victims will laugh at him when he is being treated like the ape he is.

[loveslongnails]

I knew this dude was a jerk off the first time I ever heard him or heard of him. I never pay any attention to him at all.

[Anonymous]

Strange that you care so much.

If anything it sounds like he lives rent free in your head. Get a life. Who cares what some guy with a YouTube channel says? 🙄

[MzAsh]

It’s actually my business to advise women against personalities like this. So, I care.

[exitseven]

I don't know much about him but from what I hear he idms going after his 15 minutes of fame

[jahaims]

He trolls for money. He knows he is a parody but plenty of people are too stupid to recognize this and take what he says seriously.

[MzAsh]

So a grifter. A fake. A fraud.

[ChefPapiChulo]

i really dont care about andrew tate enough to think about him more than once a month when i read the stupid shit he says or does.

[Staximus]

All the stupid shit that guy says and does is to compensate for some kind if inadequacy inside his head

[turnpost]

He is nothing new. Get a hobby live your life.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I got no issues with Andrew Tate, sorry not sorry

[MzAsh]

No sweat off my back

[WhiteBoyChill]

Idc feminist

[gorydetails]

You watch Andrew Tate more than most dudes, lol.

[MzAsh]

You’re not wrong. But I watch many people. It’s important to my business to keep up with what’s going on in relationship dynamics. At least I do my homework.

[bededazzle]

sane people

[WhitneySnow]

I don’t like him

[roy_ricky09]

Why do you hate him? Because he tells the truth?

[MzAsh]

Don’t hate him. Just see through the lies.

[roy_ricky09]

What lies?

[findacure4wokeness]

I don't believe anything this guy says.