Do you want the American economy to crash this year, like Trump does?

[goaded]

Seriously, government shutdowns, economic crashes mean nothing to them.

United States: Yes

United States: No

Other: Yes

Other: No

I don't understand what a yes/no question is

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+1 y

I almost said "he only predicted one", but no, he's been predicting one since 2020, and he says he wants it before the election to help his chances. Trump wants the economy to crash before the election.

[DryGermanGuy]

Not even the most demented of MAGA redshirts could echo that sentiment.

[goaded]

Hold their beer!

[Still-alive]

He's scared shitless lol.

[goaded]

Robert Reich wrote a quick summary of how Hitler changed democracy into a fascist dictatorship. Essentially, get some power then leverage it into more power; use the "law" to cement your position. He was voted 4 years to pass laws without all that tiresome dealing with elected officials, within 4 *months* he'd cancelled elections and opposition parties altogether. In internet time, that will take four weeks, if Trump's allowed to claim immunity from prosecution.

robertreich.substack.com/.../the-enabling-act-of-1933

[Still-alive]

@DARKCLOUD1945X i think you got that flipped around their mr xper level 6.

bye now

[goaded]

Did the person whose username seems to imply something went wrong in 1945 say something stupid again?

[Still-alive]

Yeah i blocked him. him and his kind are just mad their guy is going to prison soon lol

[exitseven]

You are taking it totally out of context. Trump acknowledged that the economy is in the toilet. We are 30 days away from bankruptcy. If interest rates continue to rise the country will not be able to service the debt. He wants to win an election and knows that the worse things get, the better his chances.

There are still factions out there that have been insulated from the consequences of all his bad policies and they need a wake up call.

[goaded]

Not at all. You even admit he wants the economy to tank because he wants to win, even if that means suffering for huge numbers of Americans. "He wants to win an election and knows that the worse things get, the better his chances."

If you are "30 days away from bankruptcy", it's 100% the result of Republican actions. They really hate the 14th Amendment with it's pesky "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned." (Not to mention the whole no official office for insurrectionists thing.)

Interest rates haven't gone up for some time, and they're likely to go down again now inflation rates are back to pre-pandemic levels.

[goaded]

Oh, and look, the idiots in the Republican party are about to chuck out one of their own Speakers for being sane-ish.

[exitseven]

He does not want it to tank. He is saying if it I s going to tank it should happen now so he will get some traction from it.

[CaptainSmartass]

Nope. I want the Chinese economy to crash.

Simples...

[goaded]

You live up to your name.

[CaptainSmartass]

Thank you.

[Tomisworthless]

Wait if the Chinese economy crashes won’t they just collect the debt we owe them resulting in our economy to crash

[Dargil]

What is called a push poll. The question directs the reader to a favorable answer. Guessing even you do not believe the premise. Its just to purvey propaganda. Right?

[goaded]

What poll? This is about saying he hopes the next recession kicks in in the next year so he stands a better chance of being elected.

[goaded]

What poll? This is about Trump saying he hopes the next recession kicks in in the next year so he stands a better chance of being elected.

[goaded]

Oh, you mean my poll? It's a pretty simple yes/no question.

It's a fact that Trump wants the next recession sooner than later, in order to increase his chances of election in 2024. He said so himself.

With Republicans in the House making Congress unmanagable, it's possible they'll bring one on by undermining the economy even more than they already have.

[AngryCarl]

How can the economy crash when it's already in the gutter? Did you mean the stock market? That will collapse any time the Fed stops propping it up.

#Working Group on Financial Markets

[goaded]

Unemployment is down, inflation is down (nothing will undo it, but it's back down to pre-pandemic levels), wage growth has been exceeding inflation for nearly a year...

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE
www.statista.com/.../

[AngryCarl]

Well good, I guess. Except we know the unemployment figures are fake. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

[goaded]

How are they "fake"?

[AngryCarl]

I mean if you're unemployed for over 6 months you're not included in the figures. Did you get a job? No, you're still unemployed, you're just not counted as part of the workforce.

[goaded]

Fine, then 15 million new jobs since Jan 2021? 2.5 million in the last year?

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PAYEMS
https://www.bls.gov/ces/

[AngryCarl]

new jobs, great! But what about the people who lost their jobs?

[Juxtapose]

It's not a question of if it's going to happen but of when.

[goaded]

Historically, over the last century, it's almost always when a Republican is president.

[Juxtapose]

Correlation does not equal causation.

[goaded]

It's a pattern going back for longer than my lifetime, with just one six month recession under Carter in the 1970's since Truman was in office.

[Juxtapose]

I suppose you think Biden is doing a bang up job don't you?

[goaded]

I see that inflation is back down to normal levels, wages are going up, unemployment is as low as it's ever been, the stock market is up. Biden is competent.

[Jamie05rhs]

Yes; I want it to crash. To reset the real estate market.

[goaded]

How do you think that could possibly help?

[Jamie05rhs]

It would give more poor people the opportunity to own a home.

[goaded]

No it won't, it will mean more foreclosures, and more businesses owning residential property.

"Democrats in Congress have introduced a bill in both houses of Congress on Tuesday [December 5, 2023] to ban hedge funds from buying and owning single-family homes in the United States."
www.nytimes.com/.../...-street-housing-market.html

[Jamie05rhs]

Foreclosures won't happen unless people were overextended in the first place.

[goaded]

A mortgage you can afford while you're working becomes unaffordable when your job goes away.

[Jamie05rhs]

I'm saying they probably couldn't afford it in the first place. I'm guessing they were probably spending 80% of their paycheck on the mortgage payments.

[goaded]

Why 80%? Why not, if they can afford to live off the other 20%? Property is a worthwhile investment, you can live off a much smaller pension if you don't have to pay rent.

[Jamie05rhs]

"... If you don't have to pay rent.". No; it's a terrible investment. Because you'll still be paying regardless. In property taxes.

[Jamie05rhs]

That's why you need to save a large portion of your money. Don't put it all in real estate.

[goaded]

Property taxes are far lower than rent because landlords have to pay property taxes, too.

[Jamie05rhs]

"Property taxes are lower than rent.". That's not the point. The point is you still have to pay them even after you pay off your mortgage.

[goaded]

It's exactly the point. If you own your house you have to pay property taxes. If you rent, you have to pay property taxes PLUS rent. (Maybe the taxes are part of the rent, but the point is that the costs get passed on to you either way.)

[Jamie05rhs]

But renting is cheaper.

[goaded]

Sigh. But you'll never own the house, so you'll be paying rent your whole life, and that's more expensive than paying off a mortgage over 20+ years then only paying taxes.

Who says it's cheaper, anyway? Half the time the landlord is using the rent to pay off a mortgage.

[Jamie05rhs]

Regardless, a real estate crash will benefit everyone.

[goaded]

Except everyone who owns property.

[Jamie05rhs]

Why would it matter if they owned property?

[goaded]

It would be worth less.

[Jamie05rhs]

Then that would be a huge blessing. Their taxes would go down.

[goaded]

So then local schools won't be properly funded.

[Jamie05rhs]

You mean the schools that they're closing to house illegal aliens?

[goaded]

... and now we get to the roots of why you want the economy to burn.

[Jamie05rhs]

@goaded. Okay, enlighten me. Why is that?

[goaded]

Read the question.

[Jamie05rhs]

I already read your question. I'm asking one of you.

[milyjohn]

Nice gas-lighting.

[goaded]

"Former President Donald Trump said that he expects the economy to crash, despite diminishing signs the U. S. is heading for a recession, and that he hopes the downturn comes during the next year, before he would take office if he won another term in November."
www.wsj.com/.../trump-hopes-economic-crash-comes-on-bidens-watch-134105a4

[milyjohn]

He said if it’s going to crash, she hopes it crashes on Biden’s watch. What’s wrong with that?

[goaded]

He wants to take advantage of it. (Also, he's the only president since Hoover to have lost jobs during his term.)

[Tomisworthless]

Didn’t Trump lose jobs because of a Global pandemic unleashed by China in order to stall trade negotiations and allow the Democrats to seize power? Also didn’t Biden claim to have created more jobs than any other president despite just rehiring people to positions once previously held once they removed COVID regulations and stopped talking about it

[milyjohn]

@Tomisworthless
I also heard the invasion on the Southern border isn't Biden's fault, it's the fault of climate change.

[Tomisworthless]

Well invasion at the border predates Biden, it’s just the Federal Democrats agenda to win more election if they flood the system with future democrat voters, less white less Republican votes. The migration north is caused by our interventionism down in South America messing with their governments

[milyjohn]

@Tomisworthless
Sure the invasion has been going on for decades, but now the invaders get to stay in schools, and the students have to stay home.

[goaded]

@Tomisworthless "Didn’t Trump lose jobs because of a Global pandemic" Yes. "... unleashed by China in order to stall trade negotiations and allow the Democrats to seize power" No.

This has been another episode of simple answers to silly questions.

[milyjohn]

@goaded

Have you EVER said anything bad about Biden?

[goaded]

Not that I can think of. I've not exactly trumpeted praise for him, either. He's competent, he's managed the government OK, he's signed some laws that are probably as good as they could be, given the obstruction in Congress, and he's defending American democracy.

Have you EVER said anything bad about Trump? Or good about Biden?

I once praised Trump for undertaking to buy huge numbers of vaccines, thus making the ramp up of production safer for the companies producing them. Of course he didn't do the same for masks in 2020, which meant American companies didn't ramp up production, having been caught out before.

[msc545]

Of course not.

[Tomisworthless]

I want whatever Democrats thinks best