Why are people against globalism but for free trade?

[OddBeMe]

Seems weird. Also, America owns 30% of the world’s wealth and 5% of consumers. Duh.

[DextroShade]

We are sick of that wealth being sent to other countries we don't give a fuck about. How many billions were given to Ukraine while the people in Hawaii who lost their homes were given only $700? How many jobs were outsourced or given to H1-b foreign indentured servants because the fucking globalist don't want to hire Americans. People like you will cheering the left while you are bringing forced to live in pods and eat bugs.

"You will own nothing and be happy."

Sounds like global communism.

[OddBeMe]

Funny.. it’s not sent to other countries. Your jobs are but it’s Chinese prisoners working them. The CEOs on Wall Street here the US of A are getting your money.

[jshm2]

The same reason they are "pro guns" but want the government to be tough on crime as well. They just don't understand, and fall for too much political spin.

Also, there is no such thing as "free trade"

https://hbr.org/1986/09/the-folly-of-free-trade

[OddBeMe]

True nothings free. But it’s an economic “doctrine” or whatever. Like equality, it can’t ever happen. We just strive for it. Lol

[exitseven]

Free trade is a good thing. One government for the whole world is not. Look at how messed up America is getting? We are having a showdown at the southern border. The feds against half of the National Guards. Having a bigger, central , global government will become too powerful and will take away our basic rights.

[OddBeMe]

What makes you think we’re even close to “one world govt” ? If anything America would reign anyway.

[exitseven]

We are getting there. America is the only thing that is standing in the way of complete globalist rule.

[DryGermanGuy]

As the saying goes: Persons might be smart. The people are fucking idiots.

[Snakeyes7]

Because having the entire globe under one leader will lead to a monopoly of state power. There is nothing stopping the leader of the world from being a dictator because there is no other place for someone to flee to.

[OddBeMe]

That’s not what globalism is.

[Snakeyes7]

What is it then?

[OddBeMe]

Do I look like a fcking vocab teacher? Go back to third grade social studies.

[Snakeyes7]

You just became one by telling me I am wrong so what am I missing here? I am making the assumption that globalists want to rule the world because all they ever fucking talk about is how much they despise people who think they have free will.

[OddBeMe]

Ok…I’m seeing globalism everywhere and there is no one world govt. do you see a “one world govt”?

[Snakeyes7]

I see a bunch of despots in places like the WEF and the UN trying to govern the entire world. BRICS is a major competitor and choosing between them is like choosing between a douche and a turd sandwich as they both want to rule with iron fists.

[OddBeMe]

Really cuz UN is practically ineffective anywhere’s. NATO is the only semi “global” power that has teeth.

But I guess I’d ask, what makes you afraid of the World Economic forum? Or the G20? Shouldn’t leaders discuss their economies with each other?

[Snakeyes7]

Nato is definitely a part of that group.

Does the name Klaus Schwab ring a bell?

[OddBeMe]

Had to look him up. But founded of WEF. So again, I ask, what is your issue with the WEF? As far as my research shows, it’s basically a think tank that has no real power.

I mean I’m not daft. Billionaires at the Davos and Bilderberg conventions lobbies our elected officials. If this bothers you, get rid of lobbying.

[Snakeyes7]

I completely agree. A merger between corporation (I think "cartels" are more of an accurate description of them at this point) and state is bad news.

[OddBeMe]

Well Dems are in the record wanting to appeal Citizens United which is behind dark money. So welcome to the Democratic Party!

[Snakeyes7]

No, screw them both. Both parties in congress have done enough for me to know that they don't have the average citizen in mind. Even if what you say is true, it doesn't change the fact that they mock the idea of "America first" policies.

[OddBeMe]

Sorry one is better on money in politics. And you know it. Not great. But better.

[Snakeyes7]

Better on money my ass. It is mostly democrats who are the ones who are funding wars we aren't or shouldn't be a part of. I'd rather those hundreds of billions of dollars be spent back into the hand of Americans, and by that I mean it shouldn't have left their pockets in the first place.

[OddBeMe]

Which wars? Iraq - Bush, Afghanistan - Bush…. and Ukraine ain’t our war. We’re funding it via American defense contractors. The Ukraine legislation is basically an American jobs program to give American Defense contractors another client: Ukraine. But you’re against that.

[Snakeyes7]

If Ukraine is not our war, then why are we funding them? Why did the media lose their shit when Carlson went and interview Putin even though we have had other journalists interview him before and we are not at war with him? Unless we are at war and the media won't tell us we are.

What about Israel? Why are we involved in that? Why are we trying to go to war with Iran? This isn't our buisiness either.

Defense contractors? You mean corporations like Lockheed Martin and Raytheon? I thought you said you are against the corporation and state working together this is one of the biggest ways that they do this.

[OddBeMe]

All true. And yeah I’m not pro defense contractors. But literally…Israeli and Ukraine funding are just stimulus spending to Lockheed and Raytheon.

And no just like the French helping our American REVOLUTION we are not at war with Russia or Palestine. We are actually not at war at all, for the first time in decades.

[Snakeyes7]

The French were already at war with Britian at the time. They only reason they allied with the colonies was because of a common enemy.

[OddBeMe]

True! But what if they didn’t fund our war? Same with Ukraine.

[Snakeyes7]

We weren't at war with either country. That's the difference.

[Snakeyes7]

Ukraine or Russia. To me this looks like an excuse to have one.

[OddBeMe]

So again, if the French didn’t fund the United States, we wouldn’t be here. We’re funding Ukraine or they’ll be swept over by fascistic Putin. Who won’t stop there.

Putin literally said WW2 wasn’t Hitler’s fault. He’s a commie Nazi lol
https://youtu.be/wfl_5ID9cb0

[Snakeyes7]

Did you not read what I said? France was already at war with Britain so they helped the colonists because they had a common enemy. Otherwise why would France care?

We, on the other hand, are not at war with Russia so what reason do we have to help them. Russia wasn't even threatening the US until we got involved. It is obvious that neither Putin nor Zelenskyy wants anything to do with us considering how much Zelenskyy keeps begging us for money even though Biden had already paid him hundreds of billions of dollars by now.

[Snakeyes7]

Also Putin was just giving the petty reason why Hitler went after Poland. He wasn't giving any kind of moral statement.

[OddBeMe]

What’s your point? It’s only ok if there’s a prior war? Thats strange.

[OddBeMe]

And kinda skipped over the Nazi shit. Putin is quite the right wing nationalist

[Snakeyes7]

Dude I just got through saying that that he wasn't making a moral argument, he was stating what happened in WWII. Hitler was petty enough to take over Poland over what a city is named, that's a fact.

I don't give a shit what anyone or what he calls himself, apparently he wants to bring back the soviet union or some shit. The point is that he is a ruthless authoritarian who locks people up for speaking against him (Sounds very similar to what the left wants to do for those who "spread misinformation" by the way) and that is disgusting no matter what side of the isle it takes place.

[OddBeMe]

@Snakeyes7 Sounds like we’re agreeing Putin bad and needs to be put down. What are we arguing?

[Snakeyes7]

Whether or not it is worth it to throw our soldiers into the meat grinder of war for the benefit of countries that aren't the US.

[OddBeMe]

Where are our soldiers currently?

[Snakeyes7]

Well we are obviously with war with Russia otherwise the corporate media wouldn't be losing their shit over Tucker interviewing Putin even though several of their "journalists" interviewed him too.

Plus we have sent at least 40000 troops into the middle east ever since the whole Israel Gaza thing happened according to Axios. Not to mention Newsweek saying that there has been a leak from the Department of Defense saying that over a dozen troops have been operating in Ukraine and that article was from April.

[OddBeMe]

1) smart people hate Tucker because he softballed the interview to Putin. Maybe ask why is fascist Putin so popular on your side?
2) we’ve had an upswing in troops in the mid east since 9/11 genius. Back when that Republican spent all our money on invading two countries at once. And getting no where with either.
C) none of that is about Ukraine, has us getting more involved with their war other than funding them via OUR defense contractors.

[Snakeyes7]

A. Get out of here for using that George Bush "you are either with me or you are with the enemy" logic. You make fun of him later on in your comment but you are appealing to him right here. I don't like him and I don't listen to anyone who likes him. In fact, they often say that Zelenskyy is just as corrupt.

2. I am not talking about 9/11, I am talking about the Israel Gaza fiasco. When it started last year, we sent 40000 troops because our establishment cares more about Israel than their constituents.

C. I agree, the defense contractors shouldn't be working in collusion with government. Times of peace are their worst nightmare.

[Sargentcaptain]

You tell me why 3rd worlders should have a say in our politics.

[OddBeMe]

Well if they supply cheap enough labor for us to get cheaper cell phones that power.

Would you buy a $2000 iPhone “made in America”?

[Sargentcaptain]

> they supply cheap labor

So? Why should they have a say in our politics?

[OddBeMe]

Because they supply cheap labor. Why aren’t you getting this?

Everything is game theory. China has their cheap labor of child workers and political prisoners, we want cheaper iPhones. Both sides have power to negotiate.

[Sargentcaptain]

So? Why should they have a say in our politics?

[OddBeMe]

“Our politics” is pretty obtuse. Does China have control of your statehouse?

Globalism is simply a set of systems that provide for global trading. Really that’s it. Whatever nationalism you insert is your bullshit.

[Sargentcaptain]

If your definition of globalism is 'when trade happens' and your question is 'why are people against globalism but for free trade' what exactly are you even asking?

[OddBeMe]

Why people like you are stupid. Basically that’s what I’m asking.

[Sargentcaptain]

Maybe one of these days you'll learn that words have meanings.

[OddBeMe]

Globalism has a meaning. And you fucks never understand it. So you vote stupidly for a reality show host to “make it better again”.

[Sargentcaptain]

Oh boy, this'll be good. Please do tell me, what is the definition of globalism.

[OddBeMe]

Basically: understanding global systems, processes and connections. Politically it’s geopolitics. Trade it’s…well geo trade. Movies.. it’s Geostorm.

[Sargentcaptain]

Fun times. What do you have to say about these definitions then:
www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/.../globalism
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/globalism
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/globalism

[OddBeMe]

Funny when “definitions” contain the word belief. Your last one is correct.
dictionary.cambridge.org/.../globalism

[Sargentcaptain]

So if you wanna roll with that definition you recognize that this is a retarded point:
"Globalism is simply a set of systems that provide for global trading. Really that’s it."

[OddBeMe]

If you Occam’s razor it, yes. Your definitions seem to be defining feelings about globalism, which is fine. Thts the point of this Q.

I don’t know people think foreign interests have more say in America, or that politcicans value them over American voters.

Now I will say there is an industry called Lobbying that no one seems to talk about. Thats basically legalized bribery. Lots from Israel. Maybe China, though I haven’t seen much.

[Dargil]

I support fair trade that protects American jobs and markets. we won't own that 305 long if we don't.

[OddBeMe]

Fair trade that protects American jobs is an oxymoron. Thats like saying I want lower taxes and more police on the streets.

[Dargil]

30% of wealth.

[OddBeMe]

In that hands of 1% of Americans. And we have only 5% of consumers. You want to buy $2000 phone?

[Sevenpointfive]

when you say america, you mean jews right?