Is Trump in even more trouble?

[msc545]

The U. S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, in a unanimous ruling, rejected the claim by Donald J. Trump that he is immune from prosecution for acts he took while he was president, upholding Judge Tanya Chutkan’s previous ruling to that effect. The decision refers repeatedly to the charges against Trump that he attempted to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in a bid to remain in power, at one point listing the offenses he is accused of committing under three separate federal statutes – “conspiracy to defraud the United States under 18 U. S. C. § 371; conspiracy to obstruct and obstructing an official proceeding under 18 U. S. C. §§ 1512(c)(2), (k); and conspiracy to deprive one or more individuals of the right to vote under 18 U. S. C. § 24.”

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The Court of Appeals rejected every one of Trump’s legal claims – that he was simply carrying out his role as president under the “Take Care Clause” of the Constitution, that his actions were “official acts” that cannot be prosecuted because the president is protected from lawsuits and prosecution while in office, and that the charges against him amounted to “double jeopardy” because he had been impeached and found not guilty by the Senate.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Every person is entitled to run for politics, but if they commit any crimes or anything considered criminal, then they should not be allowed to run... I understand people are tired of broken promises, especially from Joe Biden, but no one is above the law… How would people feel if Joe Biden loses 2024 and says to his followers, STOP the STEAL, this election was rigged? To be honest I believe politics are crooked, and they don't care about hurting people look what Bill Clinton did when he was in office having affairs on Hillary Clinton, I would have thought more of him to divorce her before he decided to commit affairs on her. I think we need a third major party that should be allowed to run along with the other two major parties. This election, many people will sit out on it simply because are tired of broken promises.

[normalice]

Maybe. I suspect the Supreme Court will let him delay until after the election because they want him to win and pardon himself.

[msc545]

I'm not sure they want him to win the election and pardon himself. I am more sure that they don't want to be on the business end of having to make the decision and they may figure that if he runs and loses that's up to the people and it will not be blamed on them by his followers. In turn, I cannot blame them for wanting to protect themselves from the mob, but I certainly hope they don't do this.

[normalice]

Well, if he wins the election - or siezes power by other means- and then pardons himself, it allows the Supreme Court to rule that a president is not immune but it is moot since he pardoned himself. This neatly prevents future presidents from claiming immunity but gives special privelege to Donald Trump, which is what all his loyalists actually want.

[msc545]

Very good point and I had not thought of that scenario. It's even worse than the ones I've thought of. I really feel like Trump just needs to go on with his life and maybe he'll be happier and I think a lot of us will be happier as well.

[msc545]

Trump has never struck me as being a particularly happy or joyful person and I would hope that in this part of his life he could achieve those goals without needing to be president and being miserable yet again.

[Kelley1]

The USA is going to the pits. Judges, politicians, and government officials have no integrity. They ignore the law and what is right, and act in accordance with their personal and political opinions.
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[msc545]

I am heartened by the fact that by and large our judges seem to adhere to the law. Perhaps not all the time and not to the fullest extent, but certainly, I think they do a lot better job than legislators and other officials, particularly politicians.

[Kelley1]

You confidence in judges is opposite of mine. In my opinion they are no better nor much different than politicians but you are entitled to your beliefs.

[purplepoppy]

His friends on the Supreme Court will overturn it then it's purge day every day for every president.

[exitseven]

Yes, this will be SOP going forward. When we see the Bidens marched out of their mansion in handcuffs next year the democrats should remember that they brought this on themselves

[goaded]

@exitseven No, it won't, because there's leeway for presidents trying to keep the country safe. There shouldn't be for president who commit crimes against the country.

(Sorry, poppy, you might like to mute this!)

[Anonymous]

Americans absolutely deserve Biden.

I really hope Trump is done.

[exitseven]

No, the DC court is packed with liberal democrats. This is nothing. The whole case will be thrown out on appeal if it ever gets that far. There is a lot of things wrong with it including lack of evidence and the fact that Smith does not have rhe legal standing to prosecute the case since he does not work for the federal government

[goaded]

"The U. S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, in a unanimous ruling, rejected the claim by Donald J. Trump..."

[msc545]

stop trolling.

[normalice]

He isn't trolling. This is what they actually got themselves believing behind the far right iron curtain. You might think it would take literal insanity to think the crime we all saw on live television isn't actually a crime but all it really takes is one guy yelling him it's okay to be a rage junkie. Loyalty for life after that..

[msc545]

@normalice I hope you are right. This is almost delusional.

[exitseven]

@normalice a crime maybe. A couple of hundred unarmed protesters is not an insurrection no matter how many times the fake news calls it that. There is no evidence that Trump played a role in this. Does anyone re emember the part about Peaceful and patrioticslly? That's what I took away from all this

[normalice]

It was an attempted civil war. Trump was on live television calling for people to march. He could have called it off at any moment and didn't. He isn't even arguing that he is innocent - he is arguing that he is above the law. But this is all stuff you know already and we know that you know.

The problem is you just want him to get away with it.

[exitseven]

@normalice you forgot the peacefully and patriotically part. The fake news conveniently leaves that part out.

[normalice]

They aired it. We just know what subtext is and so do you.

[msc545]

The problem here gets worse all the time. The problem is that once you admit to yourself that you've been wrong about Trump, you simultaneously have to admit that you've been wrong about all of this for the past several years. This is a lot of wrong doing to have to regret and to admit to. Most people do not have the courage or the fortitude to tolerate something like this and therefore keep going on making up excuses for themselves and others to try to justify their erroneous beliefs.

[msc545]

When will you learn that people's personal political preferences do not and should not influence their professional decisions? This is the meaning of the word professionalism. Some of us actually adhere to that. Just because you would let your personal political preferences interfere with any decisions you made does not mean that others will.

[exitseven]

There is no evidence that Trump did anything wrong. There is nobody who has even signed off on that mostly peaceful riot of being a real insurrection.. nobody was armed ecmxcept the cops and nobody died except an unarmed protester who had her hands raised. The cop shot her anyway and was not even disciplined. Even if this goes to court and Trump is found guilty in the Democrat run courtroom it will be tossed on appeal.
Let's be real, it has been a stretch since the beginning and is only a smokescreen to try and get Biden re-elected because they know he cannot run on his dismal record and is unable to run an effective campaign.

[normalice]

Contrarily, the republicans leading the effort to remove Trump from the ballot are doing so because they know trump, is going to have difficulty winning against Bidens record of nonstop success.

[goaded]

@exitseven "who had her hands raised"
This is getting more ridiculous by the day. She was climbing through a broken window when she was shot. Try that with your hands up.

[exitseven]

@goaded The video released by Speaker Mike Johnson shows the window being broken. Then Ashlee Babbit began to climb through. She was unarmed and as she was in the window frame she clearly shows her hands to the cop. It looks like she saw him aiming his weapon at her and she was showing him that she was unarmed. Then he killed her.

[normalice]

Read what you just typed, but slowly.

[goaded]

Crap. He may have been able to see that her hands were empty, as she climbed through the broken window onto the barricade of chairs inside the room where the VIPs the officer was charged with protecting were, but she wasn't surrendering in any way. She was at the head of a mob in a building under siege and carrying a rucksack that could have contained anything, including a bomb.

Your claim that she "had her hands raised" is bullshit. If she'd stopped before climbing through the window they'd just broken, she wouldn't have been shot. If there wasn't a mob behind her, she might have just been tackled. If she hadn't been in the building, she would have been completely safe.

She brought it upon herself.

What would you do if someone broke into your house through a window and you had a gun trained on them?

[msc545]

Also she knew the cop was standing there because she had to see him before she climbed through the window. You break one of my windows and I see you doing it and you start to climb through it and I'm going to shoot you too. Even if there's nobody behind me to protect. In this case the police officer was protecting legislators that were in the building and he very clearly told her not to climb it through the window. She did it anyway.

[normalice]

This is just too dumb for him to be real, guys. He is, as was first surmised, trolling. Nothing could thrill a right wing troll more than three people baffled over his feigned short memory. Think we just cut off his supply of attention at this point..

[Drewtate]

So desperate to keep him out of power that Biden regime manufacturer cases.

[Anonymous]

With those new Jeffry Epstein tapes that just drop he's going to be in a lot of shit when he loses. And after threatening Liz Cheney and Kalama supporters with the national guard.

[msc545]

It won't matter. He is apparently immune to everything including having molested or even fucked little children. His followers won't believe it and even the ones who do won't care. He - as he once said - could murder someone on 5th Ave in New York in front of a crowd in daylight and he would not even be arrested.

[Alex-Snow]

He is a sinking ship!