Why does society not want fathers to have rights anymore over their kids?

[Akam93]

So I watch a painful video of a man begging his girlfriend to not abort their baby. And he had no choice but to let her cause apparently it's only her choice cause she made the baby on her own.

[cloud9vortex1234]

Fathers actually do have more in some states compared to others. Tennessee is one of them. From what I hear, Fathers Rights are lousy in California. Your better off being a father Of Conservative State if you want more rights.

Also, did the guy begging her know her opinion about abortion before he chose to sleep with her? Did he even bother to ask, or did he just want to get laid quickly? I feel bad for him, but can't feel too bad if he didn't bother know these questions about her. At least he tried. I can't think of anything more selfish then to do what she did.

[LazerBean]

So true. Nearly nothing on this earth makes me angrier than pro-choice women and the men who enable them.

[Anonymous]

Men have no right over the baby until it's time for child support 😵‍💫

[Opinion Owner]

Thanks for mHO!

[Opinion Owner]

Women like you are angels!

[Akam93]

Thank you. :)

[TonyMetal___86]

In the west and some European countries, simps chose to give feminazis these rights and now they are suffering from their wrong decisions...

Some men are real men and do not care what their society says, they will never live in humiliation or treated with oppression, they take their right by their bare hands!

Personally i'll never make a woman pregnant unless she is my housewife and the abortion, well this option ain't found in my book unless for harsh medical reasons, also what's not found in my book won't be found in her book too!

If someone is going to take my rights from my child, than they better watch out from me to not take their lives away 😏

You want to be happy? Don't live by your society's rules if you aren't happy with them, live the way it makes you happy, i need no law telling me if i have rights over my kid or not, because these are MY RIGHTS! I also do not accept to not let his mother see him because in the end she is his mother and if she doesn't have these rights, i'll give them to her because i don't accept to oppress someone neither to be oppressed by someone...

Treat the way you want to be treated!

[BuffTaco]

No parents right to their kids should override a person's right to their own body. Even if the fetus was a full human person that wouldn't give the dad the right to veto its abortion any more than it would give him the right to say the woman has to donate her kidney to his 5 year old child to save its life.

Of course it would be WAY more sad if she decided not to donate her kidney because that would be an actual child dying, not just an abortion. But it would still be her right to decide all the same. It's not about parents rights its about the right to your own body.

Also there's a fair chance he would have just ditched her as soon as it was too far along to abort anyways. 2 of my friends had that exact thing happen. The dad suddenly gets all emotional and promises he'll step up and help raise the kid, and then he fucking dips and she is left alone to handle all the consequences of BOTH their decisions.

[monorprise]

@bufftaco A man is as responsible for the child as the woman. There is no legal ditching, that said most states let both off the hook together if they give the baby up for adoption.

[BuffTaco]

@monorprise I agree a man is as responsible for his child as a woman. This isn't about that.

[monorprise]

@bufftaco No this is about the right to life of the baby. The fact that a man can run way unfairly leaving the woman to deal with the consequences alone, is not true. The man is bound to support said baby. That said as a matter of practice the woman should have demanded a real marriage before agreeing to carry his child by engaging such act.

Her foolish choice to give it away without more practical assurances makes her deserve to deal with the practical problems of forcing the man to honor his responsibility.

Regardless the baby is innocent, and does not deserve to either be without his/her life or father.

[BuffTaco]

@monorprise do you believe that if someone has a child and that child gets kidney failure that it should be MANDATORY that the parent give their kidney to that child (even if the kidney is not compatible or the parent only has 1 kidney themself)?

If you answer yes then we have no moral common ground and cannot have a productive conversation about this.

[monorprise]

@bufftaco Setting aside the fact that your already required to the best of your ability to provide for your child's needs, and in such a case that kidney would best be bought. This is really an example of natural causes.

As much as any parent might want to give up their own kidney for their child, Their basic obligation as a parent is to their needs for parenting, food, and shelter.

To be frank most miscarriages are generally the result of a similar problem, and as such you already have the official answer to that question in that no state holds a mother responsible for said miscarriage. Only the intentional murder or neglect of a child.

[BuffTaco]

@monorprise that was a pretty basic yes or no answer. You can elaborate, sure, but at least give me a yes or no. THEN elaborate. I asked YOU, not the state.

[monorprise]

@bufftaco The answer was strongly implied yes like Most parents there is little I would not do for my children.

This however is not the best way to help them in such a situation, nor is it what is required given such a institution is natural.

[BuffTaco]

@monorprise so just to recap the question is: "do you believe that if someone has a child and that child gets kidney failure that it should be MANDATORY that the parent give their kidney to that child?"

And your answer is: "yes like Most parents there is little I would not do for my children."

Is that right?

[monorprise]

@bufftaco You asked my opinion not that of the States. After I gave you the State's opinion which kind of makes your question a red herring, and really misses the point all together.

The official answer is the same as what happens when you have a miscarriage.

[BuffTaco]

@monorprise you're making no sense and not giving any answer. I asked you do you personally think it should be mandatory for a parent to donate their kidney to their child if necessary for the child's survival. I didn't ask IS IT mandatory, or would you personally DO IT. I asked if you think it SHOULD BE a mandatory requirement for ALL PARENTS.

So again, to THAT qestion, was your answer "yes" as you said? Did you mean that?

[monorprise]

@bufftaco
Your question makes no sense, because forcing a parent to donate a Kidney may not help the child the parent is responsible for. If you need a kidney you need a particular type and size which cannot be garrenteed to be gotten from either parent. As such a law forcing such parents to give it anyway would often enough help nobody.

So if your asking Yes or no on that particular policy for that particular sittuation then No. That would be foolish mandate.

But if your asking a more broad idea of is the parent responsible to sacrifice for their child in such a way. Then yes I would agree with the State requiring such.

[BuffTaco]

@monorprise okay thank you. we have no moral common ground and cannot have a productive conversation about this.

[monorprise]

@bufftaco
If that is so then I trust you understand the need to leave the issue to the States so that we might each follow our own moral code and vote with our feet.

Frankly I don't see how you suppose to retain a population when you regard its future soo cheaply.

[Anonymous]

If said state respected the life of the baby and thus the parental rights of the father to beg the cruel mother for the babies very life.
They would not allow the mother to savage murder the child regardless.

Instead said State has dehumanized the infant to allow said modern to avoid taking responsibility for her own choices in the name of advancing her own personal conveniences.

[Apple1996]

Most likely that man wouldn't have stepped up and been a good enough father anyways. It's best she aborted it. About 80-90% of men don't do shit for their kids besides financially provide for them. They aren't many active dads out there

[argot]

Evil want to persuade women to murder children because it leads to the woman's destruction... It's the way of death. If they are isolated from their community, they are easier to manipulate into carrying out evil actions.

[LazerBean]

He had the choice to not sleep with her, especially since he full well knew what abortion laws were in his state. Too bad he didn't have enough self-control to make good choices.

[_piotr]

Victim blaming.

[LazerBean]

Murdered child is the victim, the irresponsible man whore not. He an accessory to the crime.

[_piotr]

Murdered by women. Men might love the child.

[SixFootSexy]

Women who are brainwashed can't be controlled. They've tried in conservative states with limited results. Until we restore ownership of fathers and husband of women as property, these women are for the streets! *only partly sarcasm*

[LazerBean]

If a man loved his child, He would not give that child a mother who believes in abortion. You're using whore logic, which is exactly the sort of logic that keeps abortion going.

[SixFootSexy]

It's much, much deeper than that. I'd argue, from just population stats, that *most* women do not want to be mothers. So a man has a choice to either be celibate or sleep with women who may or may not want to carry his child. She can also say one thing (lying) "I'm prolife." Until she gets pregnant and has second thoughts from all the social pressure she feels.

[LazerBean]

Do you have actual statistics to back that up, or just your feelings and excuses to continue being a whore?

[SixFootSexy]

www.huffpost.com/.../child-free-by-choice-women_l_60b7e5c5e4b001ebd46d5601

Some stats linked in this page

[LazerBean]

You do realize that the only actual statistic for choosing to be childless covers both men and women, right?

[SixFootSexy]

We were discussing women at the moment, and because women carry the child and have access to abortion... I think my case is fairly solid.

[LazerBean]

Is that your way of saying that you couldn't find a statistic backing up what you said about women not wanting to be mothers anymore?

[NamerOfStars]

Funny how that argument suddenly becomes acceptable when the sexes change...

[LazerBean]

Indeed, theese kinds are all about responsibility until it's their turn.

[SixFootSexy]

@LazerBean
We get it, you're a feminist... holding all the bad, bad men in the world accountable.

[LazerBean]

Feminists don't take a accountability for their gender and blame the opposite gender the world's problems. That would make you more of a feminist actually, since that's what you're doing. In your own words, your options are to be a whore and risk your children getting murdered, or to not have sex. And what do you choose? To be a whore and screw your children. But keep crying, libtard.

[_piotr]

Feminism, wokeness, lack of morals, rejection of God... all of it sum up to a civilisation of death, where euthanasia and abortion are rampant, where women are turned into evil, merciless creatures and men, especially white, are demonised.

[V_Injector]

It comes down to money. Who can be drained for money?

[V_Injector]

Think about it... if she kept the kid, then refused for him to see the kid... who's gonna pay then? Planned parenthood or the likes will take the money at that stage, but in a later stage... it's the county/state. At that stage they act as middle men, they receive the payment, take their cut, and then pay her a lesser amount. He doesn't pay, he ends up in prison for not paying, gets put to work, and pays. ... I mean sure once in a great while she makes more than him and it gets turned around... but that just proves my point. They are cold hearted and only care about the money. It's not really a gender thing for them... it really is a money thing. Ask me sometime why I haven't worked in 20 years and my wife is scared to death not to buy me whatever the fuck I want... I. Will. Tell. You.

[V_Injector]

by the way I am just trying to impart knowledge... MHO is already picked. I have nothing to gain by telling you this.

[JacobJordan]

Really need to just remove abortion and all contraceptives across the board. That would fix a lot of problems

[Avicenna]

Misandrists dominate family courts and they hate fathers.

[Anonymous]

She did not make the baby on her own, that's a stupid thing to say but it is her body, she has to deal with pregnancy hormones, morning sickness, weird craving and painful childbirth

[Akam93]

What about the baby body then?

[Opinion Owner]

If the pregnancy just or not long happen then the baby hasn't developed a body or brain cells yet

[Akam93]

You men are a disgrace. Educate yourself. Just another pussy afraid to stand up to woman.

[Opinion Owner]

You know by just saying that you're just offending your own gender

[Akam93]

I don't care. Lol

[Anonymous]

It's the plan to divide the family unit. This is were guys got to be careful who they get pregnant

[laly520]

good question