
Should men have equal rights to gain custody of his children?


Yes and without a problem with there ex
That child is the both of yours and that child deserves to grow up with the both of you just because you might not like each other doesn't mean that the child has to even be involved the child should not even know that and if you aren't adult enough to get along with each other and if you're holding the child hostage using it against somebody for your own game that's bullshit and you deserve to get penalized somehow for that I don't care what the divorce was about it's none of the kids business you do not talk bullshit you do not yell call each other names in front of that child at all ever you started out as friends you should be able to end it as friends the only reason why you can't is because somebody's butt hurt and they're afraid that somebody's going to get more than somebody else well grow up is what I say stop thinking about your petty self and think about your child a child needs to be brought up in a loving caring atmosphere at all times this world is not about you anymore or your divorce is about your child move on become friends for that child's sake because you're teaching the child who and how to be when he gets older and they go through a divorce or break up so remember that no matter what you're doing you're teaching that child something and if if that child is being taught how to argue how to hate how to call each other's names when breaking up with somebody you were both totally wrong yes you should share equal rights you should get along somebody should be child support and move on in life be happy make it work
Certainly. Depriving a man time away from his kids or limiting his time with his kids is an extremely evil thing to do.
In our modern society with current laws, I don't know what is right. Instead, I believe it should be whatever the parties decide and agree to and the courts should only enforce the agreement. The courts should not interpret the agreements. Contracts are not written in a foreign language; they don't need interpertation. Further, the courts shouldn't be allowed to toss out the agreement or limit what people can agree to using the fantasy, it is in the best interest of the children.
The parties made the children and therefore, they, not the government should own the children. Otherwise, it is slavery. Slave masters are and always have been the owners of the slaves and of their children.
Most, but not all, women would fair very well in such a system. That is because when women ask nicely and don't demand, men pretty much give them what they ask for.
If I was a decision maker, that would have my support. In our current society, the laws and family courts are tilted, no necessarily too much in favor of women, but certainly against men in that men are treated as good for nothing but a wallet.
Regardless, I do know if it becomes far to one sided against men, men can and will change the system. Ultimately, men have the power to take control. And, that can happen very quickly because the rights that women enjoy are rights that are enforced by men. Under the Shaw of Iran, women had considerable freedom. After the revolution, many of those rights were abolished and there was nothing the women could do about it.
No, the welfare of the child (ren) is the most important consideration.
There's many factors that play a role on who gets what. Time, location, stability, and relationship.
@Smashingdoozy fucking exactly, grr.
No they don’t way better off men still have to fight for and what’s best for a child is to be with their father because dads are more competent single parents
@Creampiekarl420 oh how long you been a father for?
@ChrisMaster69 Suckers do smart people watch listen and learn
@Creampiekarl420 and in English….
@lofii ikr I just find it hilarious how they think their feelings matter more than facts logic is like kryptonite for these people
@Creampiekarl420 oh Hun I'm spitting facts. These are the things courts and lawyers look at. What you think is just that, your thoughts. In ideal circumstances yes they want the parents to have 50/50 . But not every parent is able to pick their kid up after school, not every parent can take time off for school breaks, not everyone has a good relationship with their child or childs parents. One may have moved away from where the kid goes to school.
@Smashingdoozy if the child’s welfare was all that matters more men would have custody of their children because single fathers are more stable and better of than single women growing up without a father does more damage than without a mother and if you deny that I’ll know you’re just talking out of your ass because that’s a fact
@Creampiekarl420 nobody is talking about growing up without one or the other. Nobody is saying women should have full custody no matter what. That only happens when the father is literally not in the kids life or really shouldn't be.
That’s not true and we are talking about men having equal rights when it come to parenting and you said the welfare of the child is most important ok so why are there more single mothers when fathers are better suited for raising children
@Creampiekarl420 stability isn't just about jobs
@lofii @creampiekarl420 are either of you actually fathers
Or are you basically saying you know that a Ferrari is better than a McLaren, even though you don’t have one or driven one, but the internet says so?
@lofii they're treated as equals when their situations are equal. Mom has a part time job, Dad works 9-5. Mon does the school run normally, makes dinner, does the bedtime routine. Dad decided to move out of state after the divorce. The mother is going to get majority of the custody in that situation because her life is better suited to a child.
@lofii no one is saying they should not be apart from @creampiekarl420 who seems certain the father is better.
The welfare of the CHILD, is what is important, not a one up man ship between parents on who is better.
There are a number of factors at play during court case for both the divorce and also any decision on custody of any children.
The welfare of the child, includes things like would they have to change schools, lose their friend base, ease of access for either parent.
Also cultures that promote stay at home mothers who’s job is to cook, clean and raise the kids, cannot really complain when that person gets custody.
People need to think less about themselves and what is best for their actually kids.
@ChrisMaster69
"People need to think less about themselves and what is best for their actually kids."
I mean sure they can say in that case then yes women who chose to be traditional get more rights to gain custody of the children but being tradition isn't really what lots of women these days want. So there for the "traditional" rule shouldn't be applied for that. If the answer is "no" then you're talking about for all women to have more rights to gain custody under any circumstances which isn't fair.
Not fair even for the children
@Aiko_E_Lara again another person who misses the point, it’s not about women or men.
It’s not a fucking us or them thing.
Have you any experience of this stuff or you simply trolling…
Answer on a very small post card starting with Trolling as normal.
@ChrisMaster69 I don't think you got my point either and just resort to that troll victim card. I guess that's what you always love to do
@Aiko_E_Lara you used the word Traditional.
What country you living in?
Define what you consider traditional based on your country.
As has been said there are numerous factors, which come in to play or should for the benefit of the child.
As soon as adults start the blame game between them, the child invariably suffers.
At no point is it a guy v girl thing.
A traditional parent may be shit, they may not drive and struggle to get kid to school, they may have to move house and thus schools.
Even with both parents given equal rights, it is about the child or children, who can give the child, stability, not result in losing school friends, or overly disrupting school subjects choices, exams, who can provide best relationship as a parent, time with their child.
@ChrisMaster69 I'm talking about the universal "Traditional" like how men and women have use to leverage their roles. And it's not only a western/Asian/whatever thing but a human thing. Your answer is basically "it depends" So guess what? That's not equal to "no"
@ChrisMaster69 Also saying "no" just makes it seem like under any circumstances, men shouldn't have the equal rights to gain custody. If you say no then I bring up the other side of the story.
@Aiko_E_Lara again you are making it about parents, I have never said that it should not be equal, I said it needs to be about the kids not the parents.
As soon as someone makes it about who has most say etc and not about the children then they (irrespective of gender) do not deserve custody.
It’s not about spiting your partner and going for custody because you know you can win, it is about the kids you both have and what’s best for them. Adults need to behave like adults and seriously think what is the best long term for their children.
The impact of divorce on kids is fucking terrible, more so when their wishes are not taken into account.
okay the question said "equal rights to gain custody". In other words a fair playing field. So when a father can better take care of a child he should get the child and vice versa. But the overwhelming majority of the time it's the mother by default which is unfair, period. We need to not as it on the chromosomes if you will. Who can spend more time with the child daily and who is better with taking care of them? That's what should determine, not gender. So I agree men should have equal rights to gain custody. doesn't mean we should give 50% to men and 50% to women.
@ChrisMaster69 And again you're misinterpreting what I said despite the fact how i explained how it's also unfair for the children. It's not a guarantee the kids will choose the mom so the answer isn't "no" So it's more like you're missing the point here. You don't even see how you just preached on a one sided answer.
I have a friend with a kid. He has full custody of her. Her grandparents on her mother's side wanted visitation rights, which ended up being a whole custody battle. My friend was unwilling to let her see her grandparents because of her mother being a psychotic bitch. They didn't win anything, because they had no relationship with my friends daughter, they lived in a different state, and they didn't get along with my friend. Imagine just shipping a 5 year old off two states away to her grandparents house that she barely knows.
Now my friend felt bad because he could see they wanted a relationship so he took it into his own hands (as majority of parents do). She now seed her grandparents for a week every month, she has an amazing relationship with them.
Just because they were well off financially, stable people (mentally sane), and her biological grandparents, doesn't mean a damn thing if the child is going to suffer emotional damage.
You guys are retarded I’m gonna go play elden ring✌️
Anecdotes anecdotes. I've also heard stories opposite of yours and I can just say I have seen it myself. Now what?
most children suffer emotional damage from divorce. studies have shown this time and again and my sister and I were no exception. We both got to pick who we wanted to live with. I picked my dad and my sister picked my mom. My sister went on to OD 3 times and have her stomach pumped and landed in prison twice. I on the other hand have a squeaky clean record and never did drugs.
I totally agree there are cases where a woman gets custody but she has never worked a day in her life. She isn't mentally stable and gets the kids
Most judges try and use common sense though
@Whatever2929292
because fact is, kids usually like to prefer to be with the mother. For example, if the kids are used to seeing mom care for them 75% of the time. Suddenly, they lose their usual caretaker that they've grown soo accustomed to seeing for years? how do you think they feel? Kids usually have a certain comfort with their mothers that they don't have with fathers.
When a kid gets gets hurt or scrapes his knee, he's more likely gonna run to mom for comfort rather than dad
@Smashingdoozy @t-8900
marriage is no guarantee that the kids will have a good childhood. Romance is fickle, and ruins everything. This is why I pick a platonic relationship when it comes to having kids. I would have no reason to hate on by baby's dad.
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In my state, there is not a gender preference in custody battles. Women win more often because they are usually more willing to be a consistent parent to the children. If you don't want any of that drama, go get a vasectomy.
In most cases, the children want to live with the mother than the father. Mothers have stronger bonds with their children. Children tend to have stronger bonds with their mothers. Exceptions do exist but its not the general rule. Mothers have a nurturing personality , special connection with their kids that fathers simply do not have. Women are biologically designed to care for babies (mentally and physically) , by nature. Men are not. Men are inferior when it comes to this. This is why in so many families, its always the woman who drops her career to take care of the child. The father rarely ever drops his job to care for his child. Its because mothers have a deeper connection to their children.
Far too often to preferential treatment toward women (unconstitutional!) has been abused by communist infiltrator PsoS and by insane misandrists, perverted into a "men have no rights" MO. This has countless times led to men jailed for no reason, and children winding up with unfit mothers, and their lives ruined, just to spite their fathers.
Or, in even more sinister cases, to the courts pulling bait and switch, and not letting the mother have the children either. The children, based on inane lies and forged signatures that federal workers criminally craft due to the money involved, are wholesale kidnapped. They are then put in foster homes, where they're often turned into drug addicts or even sold on international sex ring black markets.
Restoring honor for men's rights is a way to combat this ring of corruption. And a way to weed out its enablers, who deserve not to be in positions of power, but to be rotting in fields, left for crows to eat!
Children's welfare should be the biggest priority and in my opinion, if both parents have similar lives then the children should still be with the mother. As an ex-child who loves both of her parents dearly and had an amazing father and even got on with him better than with my mum, I'd still definitely prefer to live with my mum.
That being said, men's rights should definitely be more respected as fathers. There should never be a situation where the mother can simply deny the father contact with his children, especially if she's taking any money from him. And if she does then she's toxic and shouldn't have the custody over them because she's harming them.
Men and women are biologically different and have biologically different bonds to their children. You just cannot legislate biology. Eastern civilizations have understood that long ago. The child needs it's mother more in its infant years and father more so when it's growing up. Mother and father serve the role of a nurturer and a disciplinarian respectively.
In the East what happens is that a woman has immense power over who gets to be born into this world but in order to exercise that power, sex, she demands that the man be well established in his life and they marry first with the sanction of entire society.
Men created this monster.
Making these claims men are breadwinners, and mothers are there to take care of the children.
Almost all the unfair biases and sterotypes about gender, race, religion even sexual orientation, has been coming back to bite ya in the ass.
So you’re saying this is what we get or are you down to make things equal?
It’s not about saying what you get… and nothing can just be equal by the snap of fingers. It it’s just A or B.
I think if guys went on mat leave and gave up their job and stayed home with baby 24/7 365 for 1000 years, there might be a shift in things.
Yes, absolutely and wholeheartedly.
I've had two instances of divorced guys in my life with children - in both instances they share custody with the wife, in one instance it was a battle.
In both instances, the children would be 100% better with ONLY the father in their lives. The mothers are absolutely horrid, abusive shits.
Sadly, courts still favour unsuitable mothers.
That really needs to stop.
Yes. Absolutely. I strongly agree that men should have a fair and equal opportunity to be the custodial parent. Support payments by the non-custodial parent should be based first on the payers ability to pay, and should not make it impossible for them to live after child support payment are made.
Simplest answer is to use birth control. Pill, condom, etc. No children or support.
In custody battles between MARRIED husband and wife should have equal rights. And in many ways they do. It's why men can take custody of their children. The courts have to, by law, decide what is best for the child.
And 90% of that comes down to the simplicity of nature & nurture.
In the animal kingdom about 5-10% of males, throughout all species, singularly take care of their offspring. Most of them don't know how. Take birds of prey for example. Male birds of prey are absolutely useless in raising young because they don't brood well & they don't understand that food has to be torn up smaller, etc. -- that's all the duties of a female.
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So the courts look at it very simple. Which parent can actually look after the children properly? And statistically, men can not. There are successful single parents who are men but they're the abnormality not the normality.
We are talking about humans here LOL
@Whatever2929292 Are you stupid? Humans are animals.
are you retarded? Not even all animals are the same. We are also far more intelligent then animals. well maybe not you
It’s the welfare of the child or children that is paramount.
As soon as fuckwits start complaining about this type of thing, without referring to what is best for the kids and put it down to financial impact, then you can see why they should not have custody… ever.
Fucks me off when adults become selfish and forget they have kids.
The default custody in divorce cases should be 50/50. Not the only option- if one palent is unfit or unwilling, let it be argued, but the baseline should be half and half.
That'd never fly here in the States; the only country I know to have proposed it was Iscael. I remember the footage of the Feminists dancing in celebration when the bill failed; nothing like a taste of equality to show your true colors.
Yes since there are cases where its the mother who is doing something bad to the children too, this happened with one of my friends he was stuck with his mentally and eventually physically abusive mother untill he turned 18 he's now living elswhere thankfully
With how many of the outdated laws regarding relationships and/or parenthood work in the courts. Males tend to get the short end of the stick because most of those laws. We’re put in place decades ago when females had few options for employment as many ended up as full time wives/mothers.
So females are often favored in the courts by almost a 80/20 split.
yes I believe guys should have more options to gain joint or full custody of their children.
Biology/nature is not fair, so men have some disadvantages when it comes to having/supporting children which should never be neglected completely. But there are some biases in the systems, making it favouring mothers to get more custody without it being better for the child, which still need to be balanced out.
Yes because of all the child beating cases , where the mother is harming the child
The idea that women are more nuturing is nonsense, the court has to stop believing that myth
should be what the court decides. I never did family law. And sorry to shit on my own gender but.. MAN THE FUCK UP - YOU HAVE A FUCKING KID - IT IS ALSO YOUR FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY YOU BRING A CHILD INTO THE DAMN WORLD. When my father was alive his saying was "the dick has no conscience".. Working in law. And seeing everything around you - you know - the dick does have a conscience because your brain tells you of the 18 years consequences
Yes! Neither the mother of the father should be granted custody for any reason other than what's best for the children, what the children want and whoever the better parent is. Some mothers are awful, some fathers are awful, custody shouldn't be automatically granted (or be easier for the mother to obtain) just because she's a woman 🤷♂️.
Most people here don't understand that the issue isn't the law, it's the bias most western court system have towards men when it comes to children.
A court will almost always favor a woman, no matter what she could have done, over a man when deciding who has custody of the kids. Men are seen as bad parents, if not abusers, and their role as parents is just to give money, not only to the kids, but to the mother too.
It shouldn't be a simple A or B, because every case is different. There is no simple 'one size fits all solution.'
There are some very good fathers out there as well as many bad ones.. same goes for mothers.
I’d say Make Abortions A mandate.
No More Humans coming into this world.
There’s enough of you running around causing trouble. Too much of you Savages running around pretending to be these innocent victims when (YOU)
Victims cause the problem you complain about.
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