Who’s life has been harder?

[Anonymous]

Men’s or women’s.

I think men’s. Women love to believe we’ve just abused them throughout the years when we built the whole society for them.
What do you think?

Men’s

Women’s

[SolitarySolace]

Women like to make it seem as though their lives aren’t harder, but the lives of men are the hardest these days compared to the lives of women. A woman these days need not take any responsibility or accountability for anything. A woman has far more choices and options than men in all aspects of life. I mean, hell, women don’t even have to be qualified for a job in order for them to get said job! Women don’t have to provide anything in order to be loved and cherished. Women get less harsher sentences than men and tend to get away with false accounts until they themselves prove that they lied. It’s even taboo in society to criticize women while it’s totally ok to demonize men. Women control language (Toxic Masculinity, Mansplaining) Divorce courts favor women, no fault divorce laws were put into law for women to take advantage of both good and bad men regardless of whether abuse is happening or not. People still honestly believe that feminism is about equality when they don’t care enough to look into it all they see is the definition on the internet that a person put there claiming all waves of feminism are somehow the same as the very first meanwhile no one knows there’s such a thing as a Men’s rights movement. Women have Valentine’s Day, women’s history month, international women’s day which empowers both good and bad women meanwhile people criticize the idea of an international men’s day many don’t even know there is such a thing! Claiming men somehow already get all the praise. Should I continue?

[lil_will_12]

my friend, we´ve had this debate before, but ill say this:

how can you even know if your genders life is harder than the others if you dont even know what its like to be them?

if you can answer this question (with an actual good answer), well then i will applaud you👏

[Novus]

@lil_will_12 Indeed, how can any poverty stricken famine victim truly say their life is harder than a billionaire when they haven't even lived as a billionaire?

Obviously there's no way to compare living conditions and societal benefits other than who personally complains louder.

[lil_will_12]

@Novus haha, oohhh thats hilarious (and by hilarious, i mean stupid and dumb), so what, you believe every woman is just a billionaire now?

[Dongie]

@lil_will_12
Good answer

[lil_will_12]

in fact, i can add on to that and even say that the majority of millionaires and billionaires these days are mostly men

[lil_will_12]

@Dongie ah, thanks man!😎👍

[DextroShade]

@lil_will_12 stop sipping, it's pathetic.

[DextroShade]

*simping

[Novus]

@lil_will_12 Not as dumb as thinking having double standards about who can and can't judge others' experiences is. It was funnier than your comment though, you got me there.

[Joshydavid25]

We both have our unique challenges that we face.. The problem is not that women have easier lives than men in my opinion.. The problem is that womens' lives and problems constantly get affirmed and brought to attention.. Everything right now is the make women the ultimate victim.. The righteous victim. When men are either forgotten or ignored the things they go through.. If they are brought to the forefront, people just ignore it, tell men to cry about it and make your own spaces to bring it to attention, and then why they do people rail against it.. It's all power play by those toxic feminist..

[DaisyM23]

that is an incredibly bad mindset to have that just because you DO something 'good' means you can't treat someone bad
society was built by men because men subjugated women, especially middle class women, women had constantly been excluded from politics and the economy, suffrage and employment - sure it's not like all women were in chains and locked up (excluding enslaved women and women literally kept inside the house, for example, purdah) but historically women's lives have been harder - and before you bring it up, yes war has been harder on men throughout the years, but women have also contributed to war efforts throughout the years from fighting in actual battles to holding up the homefront as they did during the world wars proving their equal worth and ability to men

[SolitarySolace]

So that means women deserve special privileges, benefits, rights, etc? The problem with progressive movements is they never know when to stop progressing. They’ll keep empowering women until men are the oppressed class and men accept it. Doesn’t matter if it’s being done by good or bad women these days they’re the same

[DaisyM23]

@SolitarySolace but women don't have any special privileges? yes there are definitely double standards in the way women could get away with a lot more than men but that kind of societal response to women doing something bad is still arguably remnants of previous discrimination which saw women as harmless and is still toxic now - men will never be an oppressed class, not unless we went back in time and a matriarchy was dominant, men dominate most important fields of politics, industry and the economy, i don't see anything short of some virus that wipes out 90% of men that would possibly cause men as an entirety to be oppressed as women have been historically and still are today - men won't be barred from education or employment, they can still vote, no one would ever force a man to have a vasectomy, men can drive and go to school - if anything class is the biggest factor, a rich woman has more privilege than a poor man

[SolitarySolace]

For example women have the privilege of voting without any civil responsibility. Men have to sign up for the draft while every time women are about to become a part of the draft they revolt. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Women keep voting democrat which is destroying cities with crime. If this keeps up everything will fall apart and what do you think they’ll attempt to rebuild in its place? A Matriarchy. I mean they’re not just gonna topple this so called patriarchy and leave a power vacuum in its place. They’re going to replace it with something that’ll benefit them. Men and boys, especially boys, are underachieving in school while women and girls are overachieving. Why is that? It can’t be that the school system is purposefully benefiting girls to succeed over boys, can it? I mean, do you know if there are more men graduating university compared to women? I’ll tell you right now it isn’t the men. And are you not aware en die far sooner than women? That there are more women in the country than there are men? 🤔

[DaisyM23]

@SolitarySolace i can't speak for the American voting system, i just searched it up and it's very fucked up, either get rid of it or everyone eligible needs to sign up but the draft in general is bad anyways - i don't think it's the democrats who are ruining the country, again i'm not American so i don't know everything but i'm from the uk where the two main parties are labour and conservative, and both of them have fucked up, are fucking up, and will continue to fuck up - if the systems which we have in place right now collapse for some reason, which i very much doubt they would, there won't be a matriarchy, i think it'd only happen if some freak accident wipes out a lot of men because there is no way that men would willingly like women to take control of ALL society - achievement in education doesn't necessarily equate to success either and there are many factors which play into success, especially race, class, disability, how teachers see you etc - life expectancy also has a lot of factors playing into it especially health which can't necessarily be controlled

[SolitarySolace]

Soviet in America is already controlled but women. If a woman is abusing her boyfriend/husband or even a friend in public everyone just laughs but if her boyfriend/husband/male friend is abusing her in public he is shoved and attacked even if he is 100% in the right to be angry. Women are even creating terms that are being used not just in society but in movies. (Toxic masculinity, Mansplaining, baby girl vide (referring to men who are feminine and against so called toxic masculinity) you say you’re from the UK, it’s far different there than it is here in America so don’t act like you know what it’s like here

[SolitarySolace]

Society in America*

[DaisyM23]

@SolitarySolace of course i don't know what it's like in america i was talking about the west in general anyways - it's definitely a problem that a woman abusing someone in public is ridiculed whilst it's the opposite when a man does it and this kind of attitude contributes to men not reporting cases of domestic violence against them BUT women are statistically more fucked by domestic violence and abuse all over the world compared to men, i'm not saying men aren't abused but i am saying women are abused more, women are more likely to be raped or murdered by their partners, domestic violence cases rose during covid the majority against women, women are sexually harassed on the streets, at work, at school, in their homes etc - protections against abuse aren't indicative of women controlling society, would you then say that society is also controlled by POC since racial discrimination is also a big problem? protections for women against discrimination and abuse should be celebrated not put down, yes they do create double standards but we should be working towards creating safe spaces for victims of any gender

And toxic masculinity does exist, just look at people like Andrew Tate who encourage that kind of behaviour to subjugate women, it IS incredibly toxic - imagine if a woman was saying the same thing as he was about men? - men who don't fit the ideals of toxic masculinity aren't called feminine either, they're probably what's upheld as what a man SHOULD be

Mansplaining is also a thing, obviously that kind of arrogant attitude can be from anyone, but it's been attributed more to men because they've done it more, assuming a woman doesn't know what she's talking about

[SolitarySolace]

“Would you then say that society is also controlled by poc since racial discrimination and abuse is also a big problem?”

Absolutely everything that I’d claimed to be oppressed now runs society. The so called oppressors are demonized and ridiculed even if they’ve never oppressed anyone.

Women don’t get to decide what a man should be. If they don’t want men to decide what a woman should be. Fuck all the way off with that.

Should men make up words for bullshit that women do more than men? Because that’s what women are doing to men and I’m pretty sure women would hate it just as much as men do.

[tremendousfern]

You aren't subjugated in any way shape or form at all. Your idea of "hard" is cooking, cleaning, and raising kids in the home or not being allowed to vote or work the same jobs as men. That's a juvenile point of view that shows just how easy you have it.

Men work the most difficult, labor-intensive, and deadliest jobs. Men fight and die in wars. Men are given harsher sentences for the same crimes. Men are more often victims of suicide and violence. And all you have to say about that is to whine about "muh subjugation". You're a spoiled baby.

[DaisyM23]

@tremendousfern yeah i don't think my life is hard and if i'm subjugated it's certainly not because of my gender and i'm not saying my idea of hard is domestic work, of course that's hard, but historically women were forced into the domestic ideal and excluded BY MEN from everything you just complained about - and yes men do fight in more wars and do often fill jobs that require more labour, women have literally only been allowed to enter the workplace on equal terms as men in the last 50 years in the west, that's in our PARENTS lifetime. And do you not think voting is something everyone should have access to? - are you saying YOUR life is hard, have you fought in a war, do you do a labour intensive or dangerous job because i don't think you're subjugated in any way solely because you are a man - the legal system is fucked up for being more lenient towards women but again, that goes back to how women have been seen, the same image of women being innocent little angels bites people in the ass when they get away with violent crime and it SHOULDN'T be like that

in the west, apart from everyday misogyny on an individual level and health (including abortion) i don't think the average woman is oppressed solely because of her gender, race and especially CLASS comes into play - but if we're thinking historically and globally women have always had it harder - from women accused on witchcraft and burnt at the stake, from being married off as children and forced to have 10 children, from being prohibited from education, widow burning in Asia and dowry deaths, RAPE and sexual violence, genital mutilation, i don't think you understand how hard women have it just as i probably don't understand how hard it is for men, but just looking at people in my life from family and friends, the women have always had worse experiences

[tremendousfern]

I work in construction, so yes, I do work a labor intensive job, but that doesn't matter at all to my point. I'm not speaking about individuals, I'm speaking about genders as a whole. I know I could find an individual woman who works harder than an individual man, but again that doesn't have anything to do at all with my point of considering genders on the whole.

All of the stuff you whine about women having to put up with historically, men also had to put up with in addition to fighting in wars and working much more labor intensive jobs.

And don't make me laugh about women being "forced" into housework as if it was some form of punishment or slavery. Women in every culture throughout history were most typically housekeepers with very very few exceptions. And that's because their biology best suits them for that role.

There is no misogyny that exists in modern western countries at all. Not even a little tiny bit. There is nothing that keeps you from doing anything that a man can do and in fact there is all kinds of women-specific perks and organizations that assist women in doing whatever it is they want to do. These don't exist for men.

Women take all the stuff that men do for them for granted. Women are given special privileges in school, the workplace, etc. and all they have to say for that is that they're so "oppressed". Fight the patriarchy! All of that nonsense. Women who think like you are the most juvenile, clueless people on earth. You have zero idea what it takes to be a man. You have zero thankfulness for the entire modern world that was built by the hard labor of men. Instead you hate men and pretend you're a slave when you're the most privileged pampered prissy princess in all of history. It's pathetic.

[DaisyM23]

@tremendousfern i was honestly understanding where you were coming from until you started with the generalised insults (notice how i didn't insult men and see that you are more immature, clueless and prissy) - and you lost me at 'their biology best suits them for that role', i had no idea there was something so radically different in your biology that you can't apparently do any housework but okay

[tremendousfern]

Of course there's something radically different in our biology, silly. Women get pregnant and spend 9 months bearing children. That's an incredibly difficult job on its own, so why would they be out doing the kinds of tasks that require hard labor that men traditionally do? But I forgot that feminists like yourself consider housework oppressive and that if a man isn't out earning money and also doing the housework then he "isn't pitching in" because asking a woman to do the laundry and have a hot meal ready for her husband when he gets home is slavery.

[Babygirl_S]

After careful analysis I have come to the conclusion that women in South Asia definitely have harder lives than men. So many cases of dowry deaths, battered wives, gender inequality at workplace and so on.

Once you try to get married, you realise that you are expected to earn a lot of money as well as do the housework. Moreover, you are supposed to look like an actress for imperfect men and be a virgin too.

The ideal woman in my country is highly educated (a doctor or engineer), earning a 6 figure salary (trust me, it counts here), virgin, thin, fair-skinned, beautiful, submissive, family-oriented with a successful career... the list could go on.

I believe we will be treated equally after a few decades.

[Dongie]

a lot of women were still being abused throughout the 80's. People just turned the other way.

[tremendousfern]

If you think a woman's life is hard, you're dumb, plain and simple.

Men's lives are hard because they work to make women's lives as easy as possible. But recently thanks to poisonous ideologies like feminism, many women have got this idea in their heads that being a wife and mother was some form of slavery. That if only they had all the same rights as men then their lives would be truly great!

So they were given all the exact same rights as men, and it's still not enough. Still women whine. Women can't even point to a single inequality that exists today but that doesn't stop them from bitching about how life is so hard for them and they aren't treated equally. It's to the point where men are treated like second-class citizens and still women bitch and moan.

You don't have to be drafted into the military, you attend and complete college at higher rates than men, you can vote, you're paid the same for the same job. Just shut the fuck up and be grateful for once, holy hell.

[Unit1]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/l-R3oigl9vY

https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/suicide-data-statistics.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide

https://www.youtube.com/embed/mjLe6qavUhQhttps://www.youtube.com/embed/6dFQM71QTfk

.

[DextroShade]

Men, and it's not even close. We are expected to fight and die in wars, do all the dirty and physically demanding jobs, pay for everything, and go down the the ship if there aren't enough lifeboats. Men are far more likely to be the victim of a violent crime, commit suicide, become homeless, and we get significantly harsher punishments for the same crimes as women.

Women in modern times are the most privileged group of human beings to ever exist. They don't get conscripted and are rarely held accountable for their actions. I don't want to hear any whining about carrying a baby either, that doesn't even come close to making up for everything I have listed.

[A_Bell]

We women focus on CEOs or Kings and totally ignore being sent off to the slaughter of war or back-breaking labor in mines before electricity.

The handful of elite men were matched by the handful of elite women with comfortable lives, while men were beaten down like oxen by their betters and women beaten by their husbands. The women then beat her children who beat the younger children.

Then when everyone got fed up, they killed the king and the nobles.

[Passerby2]

Yeahhhhh... if they killed the king it was because they weren't winning many wars. Wars make countries rich. Make countries peaceful. Make countries happy.

[lil_will_12]

stupid frikin debate. 🙄

its an infinite debate that will rage on forever because neither gender completely understands the other

both genders are roughly equal guys, and how can you even know if your genders life is harder than the others if you dont even know what its like to be them?

[lightbulb27]

tough call, no opinion. imagine being more emotional, capable of making offspring come out of you... and being abused by hordes of men before they blow your brains out... reality for some German girls in WWII at hands of Russians, as an example. compare that to a man in combat.

I don't know...

maybe we should focus on how to make peoples lives better, as much as possible... I prefer that.

[normalice]

Men have most of the reigns of power. If anything in life is difficult for men it is because of other men making it that way. Only redpill weirdos are trying to blame that on women - in part because they don't want anyone taking power from those few men that are making life hard for everyone else..

[tremendousfern]

Low IQ take. Men's lives are hard because they want women's lives to be easy. The critique is that feminist women are ungrateful, hateful, and demand more despite enjoying every single right that men do and quite a few privileges that men don't.

[normalice]

@tremendousfern yeah, redpill ragetards like to tell each other that grievance fantasy but it doesn't actually have any relation to reality. Sure, some men would like women's lives to be easy but each individual man can simply choose not to. If you are upset that most firefighters are men then just stop being a firefighter. And if you are already not a firefighter but are mad that most firefighters are men, that's indulging in a fantasy of grievance. The big strong men would have to carry your useless ass out of a fire just as they would a woman.

[SolitarySolace]

You have no idea ever the red pill is about 🤣

[normalice]

@SolitarySolace I don't know the details about how they keep scamming you. I do know it is a scam. Why would anyone need to know anything more, though?

[SolitarySolace]

How is it a scam?

[normalice]

@SolitarySolace it is an effort to turn normal male sexual frustrations into votes to give the rich more money.

[tremendousfern]

If you think "muh redpill" is about being upset about how many firefighters are men, it makes me wonder how you're able to function in your day-to-day life without drooling all over yourself.

[normalice]

@tremendousfern it was just an example. I'm aware you ragetards have a substantial lore of imagined grievances.

[SolitarySolace]

🤣 that’s hilarious. You are aware the rich are democrats right? Men aren’t voting for democrats.

[tremendousfern]

I'm aware it's an example but the logic behind it is just as faulty as it was the first time.

[normalice]

@SolitarySolace billionaires are pretty much unanimously far right, lol

[normalice]

@tremendousfern I know. I was pointing out the faulty logic. If you think it too easy of a target you should wonder why your redpill thought leaders keep leaning on it.

[SolitarySolace]

If billionaires are pretty much unanimously far right why is the media blatantly bias in favor of the democrat left? Why are majority of celebrities and actors democrat like Taylor swift?

[tremendousfern]

Lmao. "See, I've built this strawman of what you think, watch in amazement as I tear it to shreds." At least you made it clear quickly you aren't worth engaging. I told you exactly what the issue was and you're still on this weird angle about how men are upset they have to work hard, which no "redpill boogeyman" has ever said ever.

[normalice]

@SolitarySolace the media is pretty much entirely tilted in favor of republicans. There is no other explanation for how the guy who tried to start a civil war is being treated equal to the guy who is old. Or, put another way, if the media was tilted towards republicans, who do you imagine would tell you?

And the vast majority of celebrities are not billionaires.

[normalice]

@tremendousfern again, your though leaders harped on the topic in their propaganda video, ragetard.

[RainbowMarinade]

Isn’t it funny how every, single person who posts this question, and it is asked a lot, always seems to believe that their gender has it harder than the other?
LoL Yes. I’m sure you are a bigger victim than the girl standing beside you.

[handsomelad70]

Incidentally, it's "Whose," not "who's."

[Anonymous]

Societally speaking, a guys is hardest.

But it is harder in general to be a woman as they are logically challenged and ruled by thier emotions which makes most daily tasks and interactions harder than need be.

So just think of it kind of like this. It's hard for women because they are women. It's hard for men because we have to deal with women.😆

[AviatorTom]

Life is not easy... for men or women. Living takes work.

[OddBeMe]

Not having rights for centuries might be a factor. If you want to talk now…I’d say neither. Pay gap is closing, opportunities are pretty equal.

I would say there should be access abortion, but me need an escape hatch in court for it to be fair.

[aceleon]

woman votes being higher is really concerning and shows how much idiocity is spreaded through society.

[supercutebutt]

Probably chicks with dicks. I once saw an ugly man shoot beer cans because he was angry at a lady with a penis. :(

[genericname85]

interesting. society supports and pampers women every single step of the way, giving them unfair advantages and favoring them. yet they still feel life is harder for them xD

[Avicenna]

You're talking about such large groups of people that generalizations like that are not useful.

[exitseven]

It is not a function of gender. It is more due to birthright, genetics and just dumb, stupid luck.

[BonzoInBitburg]

I don't want to be a woman. I worked my ass off when I was younger and life pretty easy now

[DarkLegacy]

Could it be possible that one day women would actually speak the truth about these things

[SolitarySolace]

Probably not, no. At least I don’t think that’ll ever happen especially while women are getting all of the benefits the country can possibly offer then

[DarkLegacy]

@SolitarySolace In the UK YouGov did a poll showing that womens issues are not given enough coverage and the economy is asked in favour of men which goes to show how deluded they are. The MPs never stop going on about womens issues and never men

[SotiCoto]

The comparison is pointless without a mutual frame of reference.

[handsomelad70]

Black men's lives are the hardest of anyone's.

[Anonymous]

Men are physically and intellectually superior, therefore we dominate the world, as it should be.

[SolitarySolace]

That’s true but a man’s typical weakness is women with means women are actually the ones dominating the world because men are allowing it when they shouldn’t be.

[WhitneySnow]

I think you can’t generalize

[SolitarySolace]

Why not? Women do it all the time

[WhitneySnow]

@SolitarySolace I try not to

[SolitarySolace]

🤣 sure

[laly520]

both

[Mediterraneansoul]

Lady 520. Every comment you make shows how much sweet person you are. Keep being you.

[laly520]

@Mediterraneansoul aww thanks

[OtterMan68]

Historically, it's not even close: Women

[DextroShade]

Simp!

[OtterMan68]

@DextroShade who had the right to vote first?
Who had the right to inherit land first?
Who was punished more for adultery?

[DextroShade]

Those rights came with responsibilities: men's right to vote came with responsibility of potentially serving in war and dying on the battlefield; inheriting land came the responsibility of protecting it and the women who lived on it.

Adultery in women is worse because it begets cuckoldry and could have a man investing incredibly amounts of time and resources into children that aren't his; there is a reason a male lion kills the cubs after he takes over a pride.

[Dongie]

Not saying. I'm tired of fighting.