True or False: Chaos at the border is good for the GOP in an election year with a democrat president?

[OtterMan68]

Does the GOP have a vested interest in solving the border issues before the Nov elections?

True: as long as there's chaos at the border, it gives the GOP something to hammer Biden on

False: as long as there's chaos at the border, it hurts the GOP

Updates

+1 y

You can answer this too: Does the GOP have any interest in helping close the border before November?

[exitseven]

What happened to Laken Riley and all the other Americans that have been killed and assaulted by illegal aliens is a terrible thing. If it finally becomes a wake up call for Americans to vote this corrupt, senile, Anti American buffoon out of office and put the adults back in charge so we can fix this mess at least there will be something good that comes out of it.

The failure to have secure borders is the most harmful thing to happen to America since 9/11. It is clear that it has been done purposely and Biden should be held responsible. Hopefully he will be charged with treason and spend the rest of his life in Leavenworth.

[goaded]

"Laken Riley and all the other Americans"
Funny how that's the only person someone can name, isn't it?

Your side claims that there's something like the population of NYC of illegal immigrants new in the country, and yet there's a murder every day or two in NYC but you've got just one illegal immigrant murderer (and refuse to fund law enforcement to deal with immigration).

[exitseven]

@goaded 16 year old Lizbeth Medina was killed by an illegal from Mexico in Feb. Matthew Denise was run over by an illegal alien a couple of years ago.28 year old mother of 2, Erphano Gilbert was killed when an illegal alien ran her off the road and left the scene in 2023. The list goes on and on.

[goaded]

That's not that long a list, and two of them are traffic accidents. Over 100 people a day die in traffic accidents in the US, and about 60 people are murdered (and nearly 3 killed by police).

Almost every murder is bad, but they're done by bad people, some of whom are illegal immigrants, but the vast majority are citizens, like 10,000 to 1.

[exitseven]

@goaded A traffic accident by AL illegal alien who was drunk driving an unregistered and uninsured pickup truck. The bottom line is that these people were here because Biden opened the border and invited them here by offering them all kinds of free stuff. The Americans that have been killed would still be alive if Trump won the 2020 election.

[goaded]

No American would ever drive drunk and have an accident, right? Wasn't there a Republican lawmaker who killed a man with his car and carried on driving? He claimed he thought it was a deer. The victim's glasses were found inside the car, iirc. He faced no repercussions.

Medina's killer had an expired visa, so he didn't enter the country illegally.
abc13.com/.../

Facts really aren't on your side. Should a million people suffer for the misdeeds of one monster?

[goaded]

Thought so, it was South Dakota's AG who killed an innocent man with his car and got away with it. www.crimeonline.com/.../

[exitseven]

@goaded they broke the law by crossing the border and Biden broke the law by letting it happen. The illegal aliens need to be deported and Biden needs to the tried and convicted for treason. Hundreds of Americans have died because of his policies.

[goaded]

Once more, of the two undocumented immigrants you've listed that actually committed murder, at least one came in legally with a visa. Wanna bet whose administration that was under? Bush? Obama? Trump? Biden?

You claim millions of illegal immigrants have flooded the country, but the murder rate has gone down over the last couple of years, not up.

Blame the person, not their legal status.

[exitseven]

@goaded Hannity has a scroll he runs with the names if Americans killed bu illegals by Biden. I did not count but it was well over a hundred maybe more than two hundred. This is not counting people kicked by fentanyl.

[goaded]

Really? Where? You know he lies a lot, right?

[exitseven]

@goaded watch his show sometime. He said he will continue to run it. It is shocking.

[goaded]

You think there are about 20 million illegal immigrants in the country, right? About one in 15 people?

So, that should be about one in 15 of the 20,000 murders a year in the US? 1,333 murders a year should be by illegal immigrants. Why is his list so short? (I bet they're not all from the last year either.)

[exitseven]

@goaded Most murders in this country are done by gang members. One dirtbag killing another dirtbag. We cannot send our dirtbags to another country because no other country in the world except Biden's America would welcome gang members from foreign countries.
In my little corner of the world there have been 3 deaths by illegal aliens. One was a 7 year old boy. These are 3 people that would still be alive if Biden was not in the White House, just in a little area. .

[goaded]

Bullshit.

[exitseven]

@goaded What part is not true? The people that are dead or there is another country on this planet will take all the people that have been released from prison in other countries besides the United States?

[goaded]

Well, the implication that "gang members" must be foreign is wrong for a start. So is the implication that anyone has welcomed foreign gang members with open arms.

I don't know about "3 deaths by illegal aliens", but judging by your previous assertions, I'm guessing at least one was a traffic accident and also that Americans murdered at least 300 in the same time frame.

[JacobJordan]

The border being open is a desperate ploy by biden to bring as many illegal aliens in to rush asylum and voter rights so he can get the votes for the election. He has the lowest approval rating of any president EVER which is an accomplishment we have had over 40 presidents and not one of them has done as horrible a job as he has

[goaded]

None of those things you appear to be afraid of (requiring an amnesty on illegal immigrants) have happened for 40 years, when it was Republican President Reagan that signed the law.

Biden's doing OK, amazingly well considering Congress won't do its job because the majority party in the House is being run by a traitor.

[JacobJordan]

@goaded illegal immigrants do not belong in the USA if they want to be in the US they can enter legally. Unlike most my solution is far more effective. We should not deport illegals. We should kill them. Let that be a message that those who enter illegally will be treated the same. Biden is doing awful a 36% approval rating is not OK, amazing or any positive word. 36% means less than 120m people find what he is doing okay meanwhile 200+ find what he is doing very wrong. That number is likely still dropping. At this point it is highly likely biden will not see a second term. If he does though Americans might actually stand up for themselves and remove the corruption, delusion and mentally unstable bullshit that is destroying the country.

[goaded]

That's a different discussion. While they're in the US they have no voting rights. Pretending they do or will, or that the border is "open" is simply propaganda.

Propaganda like that couldn't possibly affect approval ratings, could it?

[JacobJordan]

@goaded the fact that biden signed a bill to allow a flood of illegal felons in certainly has effected his approval rating. New york, Massachusetts, Georgia, Arizona, Texas, and several other states have brought in the national guard because of how many illegals are flooding in. Texas is trying to seal the border and biden has been telling them to stop, biden like every Democrat president NEEDS a huge port of the black and minority vote to secure a win. And the minority communities are starting to see democrats for what they have always been. A group of democrats formed the kkk, it was democrats that wanted slaves and started a war to try and keep them, it was democrats in charge that lead to the battle of Athens, it was democrats that gave black people deadly and highly addictive drugs in the 60s, it was democrats that pushed to incentivize black women to leave their husband's for government aid. Democrats have always been super nice to their faces while trying to exterminate them and they just assumed no one would pick up on it well black people are starting to pick up on. No we have LGBT communities of which almost exclusive only the T is the problem. They are ones trying to get into women's spaces, they are ones going into women's bathrooms, they are the ones that are being charged with raping and assaulting women in those bathrooms.

[goaded]

LMAO. What bill did he sign that did that?

[SnackTime]

@goaded

Congress won't do its job?

[goaded]

@SnackTime House Republicans won't do their job. Their leadership allowing bills to be voted on and just two or three Republican representatives voting with Democrats would allow many reasonable laws to be passed. But they won't.

[JacobJordan]

@goaded lol the brainwashing is so strong. Mate democrats are the ones allowing the flood of illegal aliens. It is the Republicans who are against it. They want the brain damaged president (he has dementia accept it) to enforce the damn border laws. But since he won't Texas is doing it on their own and biden is upset with them. Has numerous times told them to stop while he does nothing.

[goaded]

Democrats reluctantly agreed to pass a bill that was the most draconian US border control law ever, but they've been blocked by the people who wrote the bill, at Trump's request.

Pick one:
1. The border is open.
2. Hundreds of thousands of immigrants are being caught and deported or returned every year.

[JacobJordan]

@goaded democrats are the ones who opened the border. Which makes sense why they are no trying to delay closing it while they bring in millions of illegal felons to prop up their shitty ranks by granting them asylum and the right to vote in a desperate ploy to ensure biden wins. Because no president in US history has ever failed so spectacularly that they manage to convert closing on 70% of americans to remove him

[goaded]

Non-citizens do not and can not vote. You went with option 1: "The border is open", so what about option 2: "Hundreds of thousands of immigrants are being caught and deported or returned every year."?

There would be more thrown out if there were more resources to do it, which is what the Democrats have asked for.

[JacobJordan]

@goaded they wouldn't need more if they weren't letting them in idiot. What part of this is so hard to comprehend for your tiny brain. At this point I don't think it is in our interest to expend resources deporting them. Far cheaper to round them all up and gun them down and that will set a precedent for entering the US illegally. You come in illegally you die.

[goaded]

You mean if they didn't follow the law? I prefer governments that follow the law.

And your "round them all up and gun them down" idea is simply disgusting.

[JacobJordan]

@goaded death has been an effective deterrent for centuries. Shocking how as death becomes viewed as wrong blah blah and used less crime increases. If the democrats actually closed the border instead of telling Texas that they can't close the border that 16 year old would not have died at the hands of an illegal.

[goaded]

So, utter bullshit that crime increases, or has anything to do with the death penalty, but keep demanding the right only to be killed by American citizens. You're safer in most countries and states that don't have the death penalty than in US states that do.

Your "round them all up and gun them down" demand is simply disgusting as well as illegal.

[JacobJordan]

@goaded check crime states during periods of history when death was the punishment retard. Until then shut up cause you are uneducated ignorant and dumber than a box of rocks. History has proved over and over that the most effective deterrents are those that people don't want. Everyone wants to be locked up no one wants to be dead. If someone trespasses onto your property in many states you can use lethal force. Why should trespassing on American property be any different. This is the problem with stupid ass woke leftists you are trying to destroy America while pretending you are trying push America forward. America is worse off now with democrats and woke leftist policies and ideals.

[goaded]

Why don't you show me your "facts"? You've got one horrible murder by an illegal immigrant, so you want to "round them all up and gun them down" (and Abbott's policies have already killed women and children). Disgusting and illegal.

[JacobJordan]

@goaded aye aye dimwit. Teachdemocracy. com/images/pdf/challenge/Americas-Violent-Past. pdf oh shocking would you look at that as early as 90 years ago the murder rate was 9.7/100,000 present time www.statista.com/.../ 370/100,000. Now I urge you to spare yourself further humiliation and open your eyes democrats are destroying America under the guise of "helping it"

[goaded]

Murder rate vs. Violent crime rate. You're full of shit. Murder rate is half what it was 90 years ago. And you're a disgusting person who thinks "round them all up and gun them down" and policies that have killed women and children are a reasonable response to people trying to get to the US.

[JacobJordan]

@goaded and immediately denies the facts 🤣🤣🤣🤣 typical retarded liberal

[JacobJordan]

@goaded you are precisely why the rest of world is beginning to see America as a joke.

[goaded]

LMAO. You posted the MURDER rate from the 1930's and the VIOLENT CRIME rate today and expected people not to notice (or maybe you simply didn't notice, yourself). The murder rate in the US at the moment is around five (5) deaths per 100,000, half that of the 1930s.

It's still four to five times higher than many European countries, and the US even has more knife murders per capita than the UK.

"round them all up and gun them down" is your disgusting opinion.

[JacobJordan]

@goaded in Texas if someone comes into your property without permission (ie illegally) you can shoot them that is precisely what should be happening to illegal immigrants. You don't have to like it and of course you don't because you like every woke retard would rather give the US away to terrorists and illegal felons at such a rapid rate that the influx of illegals vastly outnumber the rate at which American children are born. America is for Americans or those that arrive legally. End of story. Now do the world a favor and stop speaking. The entire planet finds everything you say stupid and is tired of it they want America back

[goaded]

"Texas Penal Code Section 9.41 explains that a person is allowed to use force, but not deadly force, to terminate a mere trespass or interference with property."

[exitseven]

@goaded they will still vote and the democrats have the system rigged so that there is no way to differentiate the genuine ballots and the fake ones

[goaded]

@exitseven Non-citizens cannot vote and do not vote except in some states' very local elections (like school boards). There haven't been any fake ballots in recent elections.

[exitseven]

@jacobjordan Nobody can argue with this.

[exitseven]

@goaded In the state that I live in the morons that live here voted to give illegal aliens drivers licenses. The Sec. of State (democrat of course) says that all you need to register to vote is a drivers license. , Connect the dots.

[goaded]

@exitseven A driver's licence clearly labelled "not a citizen"?

[exitseven]

@goaded The drivers license does not have any way to tell who is legal and who is illegal. This is done on purpose so they can sign up and vote.

[goaded]

@exitseven No, it's not, and whatever the driver's licence says, posession of one does not entitle you to vote; you have to be a US citizen.

[exitseven]

@goaded democrats don't care as long as they get what they want. The system is set up so they can cheat and by the time we figure it out they are in control of the courts and law enforcement

[SnackTime]

@exitseven
Tell me if this makes sense.

When the police went to arrest the illegal, alien Venezuelan killer, who killed Laken Riley, they arrested his brother, also. They arrested his brother for having a fake green card.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Green card? Do they still have those? What are they used for? Seems like a waste of plastic to me. I thought that under Biden the entire country was one giant green card.

[exitseven]

@SnackTime they still need a green card to work. Biden gives them free everything and a gift card on top of that. They don't need no stinking greecard. They are on a lifetime free vacation

[SnackTime]

Biden fucked up the border on day one with a stroke of a pen. Why are people confused about that? Now he's playing stupid and pretends he can't use the same pen to fix it.

[OtterMan68]

but is it good for the GOP's chances in November if the border remains open?

[SnackTime]

Absolutely! So if Biden was smart, he would close the border. But we both know he’s not smart.

[SolitarySolace]

It only hurts the democrats because they’re the ones currently in power and the border being wide open is because that is one of their policies. It’s not a Realism policy to Jeri the border open and allow illegals to enter it country and kill our citizens.

[OtterMan68]

so it helps the GOP politically?

[SolitarySolace]

Well yeah. Because the people will want the republicans policy in order to fix the issue the democrats created.

[goaded]

They won't, though, because the right's proposals (like "round them all up and gun them down" or putting up razor wire even though it kills desparate women and children) are generally illegal and immoral.

And they won't even vote for a bill written by the country's second most conservative senator because Trump's told them not to in case it helps solve the problem before the election.

Honestly, it will take more than six months to make a significant difference anyway; they could have voted for it and complain that it's not enough with much the same effect. But compromise is a dirty word on the right.

[JacobJordan]

@goaded "right's proposals (like "round them all up and gun them down" or putting up razor wire even though it kills"

Manipulating the truth like a good little libtard. Razor wire has always been what is used to protect the border because shocking no one wants to get cut by it. You are so uneducated it is astonishing. Which is truly sad considering you are nearly 60 and still just as dumb as the day you were born. You have spent 60 long years and the sum total of that effort is zero because you support the rape, murder, assault of American women, children and men just so illegal felons can come flooding into the country.

[goaded]

@JacobJordan Not at all. You're the one who said "round them all up and gun them down". Deny it?

[JacobJordan]

@goaded I am not right wing 🤣🤣🤣 and you have already denied facts because you can't accept them. So of course it makes sense for you to try and manipulate things because you a pathetic low class woke liberal permanently set on being a victim. Go kill some more children via abortion libtard

[goaded]

@JacobJordan So what are you, other than a liar? Still think the murder rate is 30 times higher than in 1930?

[JacobJordan]

@goaded I shared the data you denied it nough said. Don't you have children to murder by letting illegals in bitch?

[goaded]

@JacobJordan You shared data about murders and compared it to data about violent crime. I didn't deny either, I just pointed out that they're NOT THE SAME THING.

Murder rates today are just over half as high as in the 1930s.

"round them all up and gun them down".

[JacobJordan]

@goaded I enjoy how you keep quoting that like a brain damaged parrot. So I will remind for the last time that in many states if you trespass (illegally enter someone's land or property) they can shoot to kill. America should be the same way. That land belongs to America. If you don't like it go live in Mexico and no longer wasting time on you. You probably hear this a lot and they are right in saying it. You aren't worth the effort. Ciao mate

[goaded]

@JacobJordan Oh, did you miss my response to the last time when you claimed that was the case in Texas? Spoiler: you can't. Maybe in some other states, but since you've proven yourself wrong once, I think it's up to you to prove your claims.

It's just a reminder of who you are: "round them all up and gun them down". Disgusting.

[NamerOfStars]

Chaos within a country's operation is always good for the opposition, regardless of the parties involved. I should think this would be rather self-evident.

[strateguy632]

GOP have interest in closing border all the time including election season, not " solving the border issues" but sealing border. in a pure law, and not in a bill containing bad stuff!

[OtterMan68]

so if the border were closed, it would be good for the GOP in the November elections

[strateguy632]

tricky wording here, "good for the GOP", also your poll options show how crooked liberals are. the fact is republicans want to seal the border if that "hurts" their interest, then it shows altruism.

[OtterMan68]

I believe wants the border chaos to continue, so they can use to hammer Biden and the democrats. this is why they rejected the bill they asked for

[sawno]

Good optically, bad in practise because the illegals can vote.

[OtterMan68]

can vote for President? Congress? US senate?

[SnackTime]

I agree with you.

[sawno]

@OtterMan68 Some states tried to legalize that but it got struck down. So now they "can't". But simultaniously a lot of fake ID's are being sold openly on the streets in low cop cities so they will have a fake ID. And is a voter id even required in the US? So I think its safe to say they can obtain the tools to vote unofficially.

[SnackTime]

@sawno

Attorney general Merrick Garland said that if any state tries to enact voter ID requirements, they will face his wrath. Why doesn’t he want voter ID? Doesn’t the attorney general want to make sure the right people are voting?

[sawno]

@SnackTime He wouldn't if his party has no legitimate support.

[Snakeyes7]

The GOP in congress right now are rinos doesn't give a single shit. They are in the same uniparty and any illegal immigrant who votes for the democrats is a vote for them as well so why would they care if the border gets left open?

[OtterMan68]

so if the border is closed tomorrow, that's good for the GOP in November?

[Snakeyes7]

Closing the border is the first step, the next step is to get the illegals out so that they aren't leeching off of our tax dollars.

[OtterMan68]

why not only get the illegals on welfare out and leave the ones working full time?

[Snakeyes7]

Unless they have work or travel visas then they are here illegally and they shouldn't even be given the privileges they have. They even have the right to vote for crying out loud.

[OtterMan68]

where do they have the right to vote?

[Snakeyes7]

Places that got rid of identitification requirements to vote. I don't know of anyone specifically saying that is what they want but that is what will happen if you remove the need to show a government issued ID. What is even more ironic, the removal if these requirements are done in the name of stopping racism, as if there is anything stopping anyone of a certain race from getting an ID and thereby violating the 1964 civil rights act.

[Twalli]

We know that they won't and can't fix it, but most people believe that if the current guy isn't doing it, another guy can. Why 5hey 5hink that the guy who couldn't do it from 2016-2020 can do It now is a mystery to me.

[Anonymous]

If Joe Biden wasn't responsible he would not have reversed Trump's policies indicating the invasion ever sense.

[OtterMan68]

Does the GOP have any interest in helping close the border before November?

[Opinion Owner]

@otterman68 Yes, Their states are taking unprecedented actions, and their house passed HR2 to help do precisely that, it is still waiting in the senate for passing or modifications.

Just because they don't want to pass the Democrat's immigration bill which would make the problem far worse by rewarding the invaders with work permits, giving them a friendlier D. C. Court, more agents to process not stop them, along with new higher limits than what we have now. Simply means they want a secure borders not an effectively open one.

[SnackTime]

@OtterMan68

Why does the GOP need to help?

[Opinion Owner]

@SnackTime It would be nice if the federal goverment upheld its constitutional obligation and paid for the defense of the States, rather than working to facilitate thier invasion.

[SnackTime]

The border will never be fixed until we get a new president. Sure, the states are trying as best they can, but Biden is fighting them tooth and nail.

[Anonymous]

Biden changed turned back on his opinion regarding the wall, Biden sucks!

[OtterMan68]

Does the GOP have any interest in helping close the border before November?

[goaded]

@Anon You mean he accepted building some wall in order to get votes to pass important things?

[OtterMan68]

@goaded the bill the GOP House won’t even debate?

[goaded]

@OtterMan68 That's the one I was thinking of. I'm not sure what the Opinion Owner was talking about.

[SnackTime]

@goaded

"He accepted" bullshit! He said he "had" to because there was money for it.

[goaded]

@SnackTime You mean “I tried to get them to reappropriate it, to redirect that money,” he said. “They didn’t. They wouldn’t.”. I don't know how that works in practice. I'm not a fan.

I was referring more to the $650 million for the border wall in the bipartisan bill that Trump told Republicans in Congress to reject recently. The one negotiated by the second most conservative senator in the country.

[SnackTime]

@goaded

Why is a German holding the water for the left in America? I'm just curious. What's in it for you? What do you get out of it. Do open borders in America make you happy?

[goaded]

@SnackTime Have you considered addressing the argument, rather than where I live and spreading propaganda?

[SnackTime]

@goaded

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[goaded]

@SnackTime Propaganda. Example: "open borders in America"

[msc545]

Very True.