Does Haiti’s failed state prove “more guns” is a bad idea?

[OddBeMe]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYBDSzjhn_M

[strateguy632]

absurd. pretty desperate to try to connect.

reminder: criminals break laws! gun laws don't stup gangs!

but a few trustworthy teachers with a pistol can deter scool shooters from entering because would stop a murder long before cops arrive.

[OddBeMe]

So if guns were scant in Haiti…that would mean those there would be insanely expensive?

[RedInnocent69]

America’s does.

[OddBeMe]

True!

[Agape93]

No, Haiti has always been a disaster socially and economically. The guns are just a tool they're using. If it was machetes, it would be just a bloodier form of what's going on now.

[OddBeMe]

More hammers you have everything starts looking like a nail.

[Agape93]

More machetes you have , everything looks like vegetation.

More knives you have, everything looks like a steak.

That's such a stupid phrase. I have 4 hammers, im only hitting nails with them. If you have hammers and you think to hit nails, screws, bolts etc. You're an idiot or have mental issues.

[Agape93]

Same with guns. I have several, and a fuck ton of ammo. I don't see everyone as a target.

[OddBeMe]

Stupid phrase but more guns you have = more gun deaths. That can’t be argued.

[Agape93]

Gun deaths don't equal murders exclusively, and less guns means deaths come with more violence. I'd rather just be shot, than stabbed or beaten to death, or have someone throw acid in my face.

[OddBeMe]

I doubt the cannibal Haitians are eating suicidal Haitians.

[Agape93]

What does that have to do with anything I just said?

[OddBeMe]

You said gun deaths aren’t aren’t usually murders…this fckin post is about Haitian cannibal gangs. You think they target only suicides?

[Agape93]

No, the post is literally "does haitis failed state prove "more guns" is a bad idea?"

If you expanded on that without explanation, that's on you. That also doesn't address what I said at all, it just threw in Haitian suicides and cannibals.

[OddBeMe]

Obvi suicides are the non murders of gun deaths. What is your argument for more guns in Haiti then?

[Agape93]

Dump tons more guns and ammo, let them kill each other. Haiti is a failed state, like Somalia and Chad and the Congo. They'll kill each other regardless. More guns just means they die faster.

[OddBeMe]

Wow. Lots of women and children there, ya know.

[avery58]

Haiti has a lot more problems within their society than just guns. Their whole mentality is the reason they're a failed state.

[OddBeMe]

For sure. cannibal gangs are obviously starving and homeless. But armed cannibal gangs versus unarmed cannibal gangs?

[msc545]

Yes of course, not that anyone in the US cares.

[OddBeMe]

Funny we watch walking dead…literal anti gun ads and still don’t get it.

[Sevenpointfive]

i wonder where they got those guns? they didn't make them

[OddBeMe]

The US

[Sevenpointfive]

i like how you answered honestly as if i didn't already know

[OddBeMe]

Just for other right wingers who seem to forget who arms the juntas in South America.

[Sevenpointfive]

i doubt they get paid bi-monthy by the suda-americans lol

why is more guns ever a bad idea in haiti?

[OddBeMe]

Cannibal…warlords…..

[Sevenpointfive]

well i don't see Africans flooding the border. (even south Africans are thriving!) i don't think we need oppression to solve this. this is also happening in mexico

[OddBeMe]

For one, ask Europe about African migrants. And why. Warlords are big there too. And because of guns.

[Sevenpointfive]

Europe is a big place. where exactly are you talking?

[OddBeMe]

What migrants do you think Germany and Poland are so upset about? Mexicans jump on rafts and rowed across the Atlantic?

[Sevenpointfive]

the two biggest jewish sympathizer countries in Europe. are those Africans the black jews that israel won't take?

[DrPepper12]

It's not proof but it is the poster child for less guns are helpful when govt collapses

[OddBeMe]

Does that mean more guns are good ever?

[gorydetails]

It proves they were better off under France’s rule.

[OddBeMe]

Checking* yeah that was slavery

[gorydetails]

and now?

[OddBeMe]

*checking* now after the hurricane and lack of help, chaos. But if guns were fewer?

[gorydetails]

How about after the clintons ripped them off?

[OddBeMe]

I don’t know what you’re referring to. But both sides are to blame for not helping Haiti.

[gorydetails]

I am not surprised you're ignorant on this as well.

www.currentaffairs.org/.../what-the-clintons-did-to-haiti

[OddBeMe]

Firstly, interesting book excerpt. Found one thing exaggerated. Clinton didn’t become one with the spirits at the voodoo festival.

“Clinton wrote that his "brief foray into the world of voodoo" furthered his fascination with "the way different cultures try to make sense of life, ”

[OddBeMe]

But yes corporations were let off the leash everywhere in the 90s and further in the 2000s. didn't anyone much good in the long run.

jacobin.com/.../us-foreign-aid-destabilize-haiti

[gorydetails]

Weird haiti's neighbors seem to be doing fine with corporations.

[OddBeMe]

Coughs…they are?

[gorydetails]

Are you calling the DR a failed state?

[OddBeMe]

I’m certainly not calling it a great state. You think DR civilians are living high on the hog? Or did Clinton’s and Bush’s trade policies for down south fuck them all over?

[gorydetails]

They're not cannibals in DR, are they?

[OddBeMe]

No there’s infrastructure to feed people. Is that the metric for wealth now? No cannibal gangs?

[gorydetails]

Ok, let's both spend a week down there. I get DR, you get haiti. We'll see who's better off.

[OddBeMe]

How bout this, you go live a Caribbean life and send in posts of the high life there.

[gorydetails]

Gladly.

[OddBeMe]

Enjoy working in the DR. Their unemployment checks aren’t as big as here.

[gorydetails]

I'm heading to Curacao. Enjoy being landlocked and paying American taxes.

[OddBeMe]

You’re really leaving? Libs drove you out like that Canadian couple who moved their family to Russia?

[gorydetails]

I'll wait to see if there's a national divorce. I see you fucks threatening a civil war. I want to watch your fat ass run.

[OddBeMe]

Even the confederates needed tax payers.

[gorydetails]

Not nearly as many if they're not being robbed to pay for foreign wars and illegals.

[OddBeMe]

And how much does that cost in our budget compared to paying your unemployment?

[gorydetails]

Did your wife’s boyfriend tell you that was a zinger comeback? Because you’ve used it twice.

[Juxtapose]

No, it doesn't.

[OddBeMe]

So if there were no guns in Haiti it would be worse?

[Juxtapose]

The reason why they are falling apart is a lack of French rule because they don't have a viable society without the French at the moment. Guns literally have nothing to do with it.

Japan and Russia both have pretty strict gun control but completely different crime rates. That blows your whole gun control argument out of the water.

[Juxtapose]

And not to mention we all know what happens when a country gives up their firearms to the government..



I will never forget that.

[Juxtapose]

Situations like what Australia experienced is precisely why civilians need firearms. It's a lot harder to terrorize and subjugate your population when they are armed.

[OddBeMe]

It’s actually easier to become cannibal gangs, no?

[Juxtapose]

That's irrelevant to guns.

But if you want to go there, it's because their culture is degenerate. Same thing with all third world shitholes.

[OddBeMe]

No if there were no guns, of fewer guns…how easy would cannibal gangs take power?