I find his shift from basically cussing trump out to "kissing trumps' ass" (according to trump) to be extremely sus. I also oppose radicalism in general, which I'm under the impression vance is. Kind worried that he's the type to just follow the politics and allow himself to be radicalized even further, which is the last thing I want from a potential world leader (him as president in the event of trump's death etc sounds like an absolute nightmare). I'm also a democrat to begin with though, so I oppose a lot of his policy issues. Like, it's not even that he's just anti-abortion (though is appears he's shifted around quite a bit on where he stands with that issue anyway), he for some reason thinks that we need to increase the birth rate? I don't get that. The global population is not struggling, and neither is the American population, we don't need to actively encourage people to have more kids. Apparently he also believes that people should be in politics if they don't have kids, which in my mind is just kind of ridiculous (like, even if you don't personally have kids, you still have family and friends, and people who live in the country that you'd want to have be safe and happy in the future, so it's not like you're uninvested). Honestly I think it's more of a move to gain support from people who feel attacked by the idea that many young people don't consider having children to be the end-all, be-all of their lives, because there's not actually that much logical sense to it given the context of this country.
Overall, I disagree with his policy as it's currently being expressed, but I also don't trust him, specific policies aside, to stay consistent with his current stances given his track record. I also just really want radicals to stay out of office regardless of their political affiliations.
I've said many times that, as an Independent, I really don't like either candidate, and I've seriously been considering not voting at all. Trump's choice of Vance might change that.. no commitments by me yet though.
I like Trump's choice of JD Vance. Strategically, it make it more likely that the Republicans will win in Ohio, which is a key swing state. Vance is younger, with new ideas (which I've been hoping for), and he has helped tone down the Republican platform to be less far right, more towards the middle. He is likely to be the Republican's nominee in 2028. Noting that Trump can only serve one more term, assuming he wins. it's a good idea to have someone as VP who would be a good candidate to continue Republicans in the White House. And even if Trump loses, Vance is now in the national spotlight, much like Obama was when he gave the keynote speech at the 2004 Democratic Convention, which helped lead to his 2008 election.
Going back to your original statement, isn’t JD Vance this self professed “Maga through and through” type guy? I don’t see how he’s “moderate” in any way.
That’s why I hated him as VP. We don’t need another copy and paste of Trump. Nevermind a guy with no personality who just tries to copy Trump all the time
Trump will likely lose some independent, middle-of-the-road votes with this.
Vance is only 39 and has little experience. Reminds me of Bush 41's pick of Dan Quayle in 1988. At the time, Quayle was 41 and people ridiculed him. Of course, Bush did win, but it wasn't because of Quayle' it was DESPITE Quayle because Lee Atwater ran Bush's campaign. Well, Atwater was so despicable that God took him out right away after that election and he is now in the newly dug-out circle of Hell with Limbaugh. No GOP or DEM operative is as smart or ruthless as Atwater was.
So, this pick could hurt, but it likely won't matter.
Me too, but I'm just glad Trump didn't pick a woman as his VP. As long as Vivek is a part of Trump's cabinet and future of the party itself I'll be happy
Terrible idea to pick a never trumper, if he wants to life 4 years he needs to make sure the replacement has the same ideas he does. Now all you gotta do is get rid of Trump somehow and then this guy who was firmly against Trump takes over. Going to encourage way more stuff like we saw recently.
@gorydetails Those were early days he made those comments. It could be fruitful in that Vance could bring more of the Never Trumpers back in. I think that type of attack will backfire on the Dems.
Vance can have ads saying how much he learned about Trump since and what a great leader he is. He has already stated such things. This should work well.
Not play the original clips. Forget that. The Dems will play those. They will make a rebuttal clip and play it. If Vance can change his opinion, others can too. Trump has proven himself whereas before he was an unknown.
@gorydetails I don’t know either, but he has youth, success record outside of politics and can help take Ohio, an important swing state… maybe even help with Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin as nearby states. And everyone likes a rags to riches story as it provides hope.
What makes you think Vance is in anyway genuine? He only pretended to support Trump, to get elected. Then spent all the rest of his time ass kissing to get the VP slot
@WhiteBoyChill Selecting the VP is usually centered on an electoral college strategy meaning to help win a state. Vance is one of two senators from Ohio. Ohio is an important swing state that very well could determine the whole election. That is the big reason.
Marco brings Florida but Trump is now from Florida and that state is not a swing state this year due to all of the boomers moving there to retire.
Dick Cheney once joked after George W Bush selected him as VP that he brings a whopping 3 electoral votes. It is about the electoral votes generally. In Harris’ case, it was a minority woman play for votes which is a different reason than the standard.
"Negative" might be a strong word, but I personally would have preferred someone else. Someone less blue collar and with more experience. I'm surprised he picked him honestly. I think the GOP may have forced him to pick him.
He could have at least 3 or 4 others to do a better job. A more trusted partner. But who knows? Trump knows him better. I know this much and that is he better watch for wolves in sheep's clothing this time around.
He opposed giving citizens rights to put things on the ballot in his state. Trump once did a rally with Vance where he said "All he does is kiss my ass," and Vance just stood there and smiled.
@WhiteBoyChill: To begin with the immense majority of catholics don't even read the Bible.
Secondly even if they did once you know the truth or been exposed to the real Biblical truth of God's word and still remain Catholic then that's willful heresy.
Catholicism is a fake pagan bs religion that mixes in Christianity.
It's fake and satanic in orgin. The Bible clearly warns of the Catholic Church and to get out of it.
But you said you were a born again Christian though? I thought you belonged to a church.
And I see non-denominational and Protestant churches here in the Northeast with LGBTQ+, BLM flags, “love is love” signs all the time. I’ve never seen Catholic churches doing that shit up here.
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