Doe God disprove his own ability to exist and what does this mean for the future of religious debates on GaG?

[on_my_knees]

Here on GaG, we bicker back and forth about religion ad nauseam. I personally believe it's politically motivated. Leftist don't want a religion created by white men, and right-wingers need religion as a way to justify war and abortion.

I believe we can stop the insanity if we use a little logic, which tells us omnipotence is a paradox, and the proof of God cannot be logically arrived at due to the law of non-contradiction.

Let me prove it.

1) Premise 1: God is all-powerful
2) Premise 2: An all-powerful being can create a stone so heavy that even He cannot lift it.
3) Conclusion: Therefore, God can create a stone so heavy that even He cannot lift it, and thus, God is not all-powerful.

This defies logic, because God cannot be both unpowerful and unable to life the heaviest stone in the universe.

God disproves his own existence. You're welcome.

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*Right-wingers need religion as a way to justify war and their views on abortion.
*God cannot be both all-powerful and unable to lift the heaviest stone in the universe.

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Simple logic. Nothing can be all powerful, because being all powerful negates the ability to subtract power from itself.

[NamerOfStars]

Oh, come now- that's not "God" proving anything; that's you attempting a logical fallacy.

And one that doesn't work, to boot.

[on_my_knees]

It's called self refutation and illustrates the paradox of omnipotence. People can stop arguing now.

[FunkyMonkee]

If there really was a god, Corey (that guy that was killed at the Trump rally) would still be alive! So would most of the 3000 that died on Sept. 11th.

[Berethor]

God is actually pro-abortion, he made a lot of abortions in the flood. 🙂

[Anonymous]

I have a better one. For a person who has not heard God there can be no explanation. For a person who has heard God there need be no explanation. How do you explain light to someone who has only ever known darkness.

You're welcome.

[MrGSpotHer]

I don't understand what your saying here or asking. If god made a stone like this why would he need to lift it to move it?

[on_my_knees]

The stone is too heavy for God to lift by any force. This includes telekinesis and whatnot.

[MrGSpotHer]

But he can just will it into motion to move he's god right

[on_my_knees]

Your point is well received, but in Omnipotence Paradox, lifting the stone means moving it from point A to Point B. You're arguing against the language used, not so much whether or not God can move the stone he created to be impossible to move.

[MrGSpotHer]

No I am telling you the god can just make it move by will we can't do it but a god can, the only way that's impossible for the god is if the god don't exist after making this stone

[on_my_knees]

Ok but if God can move it then he failed at his original task, which isn't possible because He's all powerful. What I'm saying can be put simply: God creates a stone that is impossible to move. He himself cannot even move it. So, if God himself cannot move the stone, then he is not all-powerful.

[MrGSpotHer]

Ok but a god can just make as many more copy's of himself as need be to move this rock, a god can do anything. You really don't make sense here I don't think you quite understand the meaning of a god because it's like saying you got infinite power you can do anything but you don't have the power to do something at the same time, you can't have both?

[on_my_knees]

Right, but if you have infinite power, then you have the power to take away your own ability to do something.

[MrGSpotHer]

Why would a god do that 🧐, then everything inside and out of the universe would die too just to make a rock it can't move? You might have sounded clever getting high with your pals but you don't actually make no sense because I can eat my own arms and feet but I'm not going to am I?

[on_my_knees]

You must have a pretty big ego to think you know what God wants to do. Go away.

[MrGSpotHer]

Aww bless did you think you came up with something intelligent but can't stand being wrong?

[on_my_knees]

The Omnipotence Paradox has been debated for many years. It's just that people like yourself are too omnipotent to read them.

[MrGSpotHer]

No I understand it I really do, the paradox itself is wrong yes a god could do anything like make it's self weak or imagine into being something it finds impossible to do, then undo it straight away, because it's still a god right so unless you think a god is mortal and can die you don't get your outcome, do you understand that? You do get the concept of what a god is right it doesn't operate like a human..

[on_my_knees]

So your argument is that the contradiction is invalid because God exceeds our language and logic?

[MrGSpotHer]

Yes basically that and that was the most intelligent thing you have said so far.. your very confusing I'm sure you have been told and are aware of this 🤔

[MrGSpotHer]

This is a over 1,000 year old paradox you know..

[on_my_knees]

Then we are in agreement. My original statement was that logic can not approach the concept of God, so it is pointless to argue about it.

[MrGSpotHer]

Oh your one of those people pmsl

[OddBeMe]

Why do you think leftist only want non-white religions? Where do you get that from?

[on_my_knees]

I said white male. Why the red herring?

[OddBeMe]

Wasn’t meant to be. Why do you think of liberals at all in this context?

[on_my_knees]

I think a lot of liberals attack the Bible and the Christian institutions due to their historical treatment of diverse groups of individuals.

[StudyingAuthor]

Now... how would that be possible?

[on_my_knees]

Maybe God is a paradox.

[StudyingAuthor]

Alright... I'm just going to drop the conversation here. Cause this could get messy.

[on_my_knees]

Good choice. It's like going back in time and killing your Father.

[on_my_knees]

However, I have to say, what if there was something besides existence and nonexistent? Or what if they were the same? Never mind.