As you might know Britain is burning. Nah, let me rephrase that, England is burning because the rest of us know how to behave like civilised human beings.
Basically, one black kid did some stabbings and far right groups like the English Defence League are rioting across English cities burning cars and buildings in an effort to make Britain Great Again.
Now if I was in charge I'd send the army in to crush violent uprisings like this. After all the far right is basically a terrorist organisation and so deserves no mercy.
Thoughts?
Is it time to send the army in to deal with the far right?
Erm, there is a very high chance that in some places there may be curfews introduced and elements of the army may provide an element of assistance to the police in some areas. The big issue is that the military are not under the control of the Government and tend to tell governments to go fuck themselves. This has been talked about on various channels and the government can go fuck themselves. It is a labour government and has a load of cuts for the Armed Forces ready to roll out.
From someone that was at one of the riots, as that is what they are
“Some white idiot threw a brick at the police, he missed.
He was quickly told to stop being a dick and behave, which was very British”
There is a complete lack of support for the fuckwits involved in these riots, however there is also complete lack of any support for immigrants and others.
A bit like Covid, the Government will fuck around and dither, realise the police are struggling and request military support. Where they may be officially told to go fuck themselves. If this had been Corbyn as PM we may be looking for a new one and an empty 9mm case.
Also some of the use of far right thuggery is really not a great idea, Yvette Cooper pretty much said Far Right Buggery. Also a very British News Paper headline
“Rioter is much less gobby as he cries in court after police dog bit his arse”
Sorry, but I am not commenting on what you are saying and I know it is important to you as are the problems we have with our idiots. but We are two nations separated by a common language. It took me a little time to translate from PROPPER English to American English, and never the twain shall meet I was stationed in Holy Loch[ so long ago I do not know if it is spelled right] and learned to love a Sunday Roast and a couple of pints. GOD HELP BOTH CONTRIES!
There is no justification for this behaviour. The awful and tragic incident has been used as an excuse for racist, radical scumbags to serve their own agendas, as well as those only looking to for an excuse to involve themselves in anarchy. Many involved in the riots don’t even have a political agenda and just enjoy the chaos they are creating and the excuse to rebel or fight the police, they are not even fighting for a “cause”. It’s the same in so many protests - the BLM protests in the UK and beyond simply acted as a playground for anarchists and criminals and to loot shops, set fires, riot and clash with police; they didn’t give a shit about BLM and just used it as an excuse to “purge”.
I understand people’s views on immigration, and the problems the country is facing, but any intelligent, decent human being wouldn’t use this as an excuse to siege a mosque where completely innocent people practice their religion, stab an random Asian man with no connection to the incident at a train station, beat up another random black man purely because he is not white and countless more unprovoked minority group attacks, burn down a library and a food bank used but British struggling families…
It makes me sick.
This has nothing to do with immigration or anti terrorism or “getting our country back”. It’s to do with unintelligent, violent, scumbags who love to watch the world burn because the majority involved have nothing better to do than sit at home claiming their benefits paid for by the rest of us (including a large number of immigrants, Asians and people of black ethnicity), not wanting to work or contribute to “their country” in any other way than providing profits for the local Weatherspoons and betting shops.
Yes, give us our country back - ship out these low-life criminal British thugs and make the country a better fucking place.
No justification? Three little girls were murdered you psycho. And as you guys all said during Floyd, riots are the language of the unheard. Or does that only apply to black criminals and not rightfully pissed off fathers of murdered children?
@Ryan365 you think it’s a justifiable reaction to attack other innocents, loot shops and and cause others to feel unsafe? This violence only takes away from the tragedy we should all be focusing on - this is being made about race and religion when it’s about a sick and psychotic human being that killed children. Where were the riots after the Moors murders? Where are the riots after serial killers abduct, rape and murder several children? In those cases we rightfully project our hatred and disgust to the evil individuals involved, but for some reason now, because the murderer was not white, and false unofficial claims online informed our oh-so-intelligent public who believe anything they read on social media, that the guy was a Muslim asylum seeker, the country goes into a racist riot. Those jumping on this band wagon are either uninformed or are serving their own racist agendas. I repeat, it is disgusting and unjustifiable. The murderer is British Born, from Cardiff with no links to Islam detected.
And in the BLM protests here, we had stupid white thugs robbing trainers and PlayStations from shops “because their girlfriend was black” or “my best friend is black”. Language of the unheard my ass - these boys just wanted in on the action and the chaos behind a mask of BLM thinking it meant they wouldn’t get caught. It’s such bullshit and lessens the impact of the protest and movement.
Help me understand: What is the difference between Britain and England as I have always thought they were one in the same. The issue sound very familiar with some of the things going on here in the U S as well. Fortunately I think both countries have laws against the military taking up arms against the civilian population. Seems like the whole world is going to hell in a handbag presently.
There are 4 constitute counties, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, together they're called the United Kingdom UK. Great Britain is the main land, the great bit is a geographical term to separate us from little Britain or Brittany in France. The name originates in the first century from Egyptian map makers. To confuse things the Irish call Wales little Britain as Britain was once divided into Brittania major and minor. The British Isles includes the mainland, all of Ireland and lots of little islands like Guernsey near France. Don't worry 90% of British people don't understand it either.
First, these hoodlums are ass holes. Such violent activity should be stopped by force. But if the government isn't doing anything about crimes of rape, assault and murder by certain immigrants, I can understand why honest citizens would react.
The problem with Britain is, it's illegal for honest citizens to confront criminals. They are not even allowed to defend themselves or their property. To do so would be considered a greater criminal act than rioting and arson because Britain is soooo "civilized".
How is rape and murder prosecuted? With empathy for the attacker?
Immigrants are one thing, but why are violent barbarians allowed into the country?
I don't understand why the biggest objection to this is the characterization of the rioters as "far right". The leftists who caused the problem suck, too.
In the U. S., we had the opposite problem. The "far" left riots, loots, terrorizes, vandalizes, commits arson and takes over entire sections of cities. But their leftist apologists say they are just exercising their civil rights. However, when someone like Kyle Rittenhouse steps in to save businesses, extinguish fires, and protect lives, and is then forced to defend himself when brutally attacked by thugs, HE is condemned as a "far"right vigilante by the left. Where were the cops?
I'm all for honest citizens defending themselves and others. And I'm all for police using whatever extreme tactics are necessary against violent agitators, including shooting those who pose a threat.
But I oppose violence against peaceful protests. And I oppose reacting only against "right-wing" protestors.
Exactly. I fear we could have this in usa easily w lack of police… from left w left govt support. Not as likely though given gun rights. Take funs away, diff deal. When will you brits petition the queen to get your ammo?
I wasn't even aware of this thing in Britain. I just saw a good new segment about it. The murderer was a black kid and a natural born British citizen. He wasn't Muslim.
But the hooligans immediately burned a Mosque and started terrorizing. They are Islamophobic ass holes. They need to be brought to harsh justice.
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These riots need to be controlled... and as if it wasn't clear already, our police forces are incapable to deal with major disturbances.
But if the government uses the military now... Some day, the military will be turned on us.
I do not fear the police, I do not worry about them... Police officers and Chiefs up and down the country are angry. Police officers are still civilians too. The government does not have the full support of the police.
The military, however, is firmly under government control... The military has the weapons, the police does not (outside of the Armed Responds Units of course).
What I feel should be done is request France... basically any European Country... for Police Assistance.
The Police should use the Baton Rounds which they have saved so far from BLM and Pro-Palestinian Protesters (who are GENERALLY peaceful...).
Once the dust has settled, politicians should finally support the police well by increasing their budget and finally recruit the 20,000 police officer which are needed.
And that coming from someone who classes himself an Anarchist. While I firmly oppose Authority... I oppose Violence and Destruction even more!
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Your opinion ventures into controversial territory, conflating genetics with national progress while perpetuating a problematic hierarchy of worth. It relies on outdated notions of racial superiority and objectifies individuals.
Oh hey, the right stopped imagining and started acting. Good on them, took em loong enough. They are finally using the leftoid rulebook against them.
> far right is basically a terrorist organisation
Ah yeah, that terrible terror organization that wants... to prevent children from being murdered by rando Africans and Middle Easterners who have no right to be in their nation in the first place. What a terrifying group. And let me guess, the 'people' responsible for letting in those biological weapons are the ones 'upholding British values'?
Send the pricks to Australia , we are only a Colony , we must salute the king , we didn't have the balls to be a republic , even the then Queen laughed at us , and Prince Phillip reportedly said " ha ha ha , are they that fucken stupid? " , now sure , this has been tried previously and it worked okay , then em on a relevant ship in chains , and lets the pricks be an Australian problem , collected from our rulers Great Britain.
So , I'm with the Army , then off to the old boats , these F Wits are just thugs looking for a fight.
This is a group of lawless rioters and deserve to be punished, arrested and prosecuted. Doesn't matter what their affiliation is. In the US, when this sort of thing happens and the local police can't handle it, the National Guard is called in. I'm guessing that would be the Royal Army in the UK. Do whatever is necessary to restore order and bring the rioters to justice.
It's about time the whites start doing it too. They've been putting up with shit for far too long.
Just a quick question... did they send in the army for the riots from the others? The answer to that equals my answer to this. I'm all about meritocracy.
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the UK doesn't have much of a concept of equal application of the law. As for sending the army to crush your own native population, while you let the imported replacements do what they want.
Does make it very clear that the present goverment of the United Kingdom is dedicated to it's destruction.
Consequences: "Three men have been jailed for taking part in violent disorder in the riots in Merseyside A 58-year-old man who attacked a police officer is given three years - while two others received sentences of 30 months and 20 months"
And now: "Gatherings in locations where anti-immigration protests had been expected - including north London, Bristol and Newcastle - were largely peaceful, as counter-protesters formed the bulk of the crowds."
An army is a bit over the top, such power isn't necessary for riots but to be fair I don't know how weak the British police is, I know in my country their is a specific force for riots in the police force, called riot control, England doesn't have a force for riots then sure, army.
Where do you send them? How would 1.4 million sympathetic armed military and law enforcement (half of them at best) deal with 200 million armed patriots? Russia NEVER had land invasion battle plans to invade the USA. Below flag officers, the military IS far right. They won't fire on their fellow Americans. Good provocative question, though.
Who exactly do you mean by "Far Right"? As for the EDL it was disbanded back in 2013 even though the Main Stream Media keeps trying to resurrect it. And IF as you say "send the army in to deal with the far right" would not the same apply to deal with the "Muslim Defence League" which is not a new organisation even though posts on Twitter/X claim that it is, it first came into being in August 2012.
I am very uneasy with the military doing the job of law enforcement. I'm scared to death here in the United States of the far right and the MAGA crowd invoking the 1887 insurrection act which would allow the president to direct federal troops into domestic law enforcement. I share your concerns about the far right I'm just not sure how to reason with the unreasonable
Or you could use the army to stop the floods of ilegal gang rapists and knife welding maniacs. Just a thought
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The military does not have the right to go after private citizens under any circumstances, and the far left taking over Britain is the underlying cause of all this. It's not the far right fighting back, it's everyone from the everyday liberals to the moderates to the conservatives.
Why all the previous governments have had plenty of time to do something to stop this, it's something that's bound to happen when they just let anyone in. I wonderd if people even cared about the UK anymore I'm glad it's happening it just should not have to...
In the US the far left trashed and burned all out cities all day and night all through 2020, so I don't think political affiliation has anything to do with being civilized.
In the US @Goahead76 we control the police locally and as such the Far right is generally ok with how their local police treat everyone.
In the U. K the police are more of a national thing and the main complaint from the right is how unequally native brittish are treated by the same.
Much like elsewhere in Europe the police seem to ignore and give a pass to Islamic communities, while treating native brittish harshly. So much of the brittish right feel they have a need to defend themselfs against a state that seems to be waging war upon them on behalf of a forign and very much hostile colonizer.
Military personnel other than perhaps military police generally aren't trained in things like crowd control and quelling rioting, so you might not get the results you want. Oh, wait, you DO want your political opponents killed...
I'm sure 70-80% of native British policemen and army members share views of protestors. Wish your incompetent govt luck with giving shooting order on their own people.
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Good thing you aren’t in charge. I mean leftist groups here in America get all upset when an unarmed person gets murdered by police. The riot and destroy stuff in the street. Right resort to treason when their candidate, or should I say lord and savior Donald Trump tells them too. We are no more civilized than a pack of hyenas. In America we just plain stupid. Britain is a close second as far as uncivilized.
Funny that the USA didn’t use the national guard to quell the so called “mostly peaceful” BLM riots in 2020 that caused over 2 billion dollars of damage and got over 30 people killed.
No, the far left is you know what they are and I’m sick and tired now of your evil question about Trump you being disappointed that the assassin didn’t finish the job and all your other far right questions you are attacking the right. You are losing a lot of users That used to follow you people are now sick of your behavior. I’m extremely disappointed in your behavior as well and I’m a very popular user on the site and you actually know me pretty well throughout the years here
I’m actually hoping they could overthrow the government and seize power. Governments clearly aren’t there to serve the people, so it’s time to address that issue
And if we are not careful that is what will happen here courtesy of THE DEMOCRATIC COMMUNIST PARTY OF AMERICA. FILP FLOP Harris is the Putin of America, she is so far left that we are on the verge of a revolution.
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Sieg Heil Starmer is planning to kill everyone who didn't vote for him as well as any remaining retirees and Jews
Funny thinking the army will do anything other than bolt the doors and burn the traitors inside the houses of parliament
I just find it somewhat ironic that we now have protestants in Northern Ireland protesting against immigration, who used to be be supported by the British Army,,,
@monorprise: Yep. Muslims have a lot of kids, while most Europeans don't.
Within decades they will run ish in your country.
Same thing is going on in my native country Dominican Republic is flooded with millions of Haitians in all 4 corners, Haitians can't be touched, hospitals are full of Haitian women giving birth at a rate 5 kids to 2 for a Dominican women.
War is in inevitable at this point or the country will be lost.
If you let your resentment of past wrongs blind you current threats you will just have more consequential problems tomorrow. @Luckycharms12
If you think a nominally christian English oppressor for 800 years was bad wait until you see an Islamic one. You can win the fight to save Ireland and still lose if England loses.
If you were from Scottland, would you want Scottish criminals from other countries back to Scotland or them to serve their sentence on the country they committed the crime in?
Better yet, should scottish criminals commiting crimes in their own country lead to gettimg banished from scotland?
Scott’s have to deal with criminal Scott’s. It’s part of the social agreement. The Scottish people should not have the criminals of the world inflicted upon them. If you are a guest in another country and commit a crime you should be kicked out.
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