The problem Republicans have is they overwhelmingly renominated a candidate who...
entered politics by propagandizing a defamatory "birther" conspiracy theory that was not only steeped in racism but also obviously crazy and stupid nytimes. com/2016/09/17/us/… ...
accepted the help of Russian spy agencies to win the presidency in 2016 ... theatlantic. com/ideas/archive/…
directed tens of millions of taxpayer and foreign government $ to his own businesses... axios. com/2024/01/04/rep…
ordered a religious test on immigrants and visitors to the United States - rewrote it three times until a friendly Supreme Court disgraced the country by inscribing the rewritten ban into law... npr. org/2018/06/26/606….
tried (and failed) to overturn healthcare coverage for Americans with no alternative to offer - but succeeded in overturning abortion rights for Americans...
funded his tax cuts with tax increases targeted to punish voters in Democratic-led states... cnbc. com/2019/04/22/tru…
started trade wars not only with China, but against friends like the European Union, Canada, Japan, and South Korea. He encouraged close ally Britain to exit the EU - then refused Britain the US-UK trade treaty he'd promised... washingtonpost. com/world/us-uk-tr…
as his anti-China trade war rapidly proved a costly fiasco forbes. com/sites/stuartan…, then connived in the Chinese cover-up of the deadly COVID outbreak through the pandemic's crucial early weeks... washingtonpost. com/politics/2020/…
then to compensate for his own prior negligence, promoted quack remedies that harmed gullible people - and that later enabled cranks and charlatans to spread panic about the anti-COVID vaccines that actually could and did save lives... ncbi. nlm. nih. gov/pmc/articles/P…
Is this correct? Is the truth of DJT finally catching on with MAGA?
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Just because a leftist says something doesn't mean it's true.
Obama was born to a mother who was at that time not able to transmit citizenship. Obama did not release for the country his birth Certificate to even bother to try and satisfy his constitutional requirement of being president. Showing contempt for our right to enforce the same Constitution.
Trump was unaware of and therefore did not accept any help from any forcing power. This baseless aqusation which itself was a result of Russian mettling basicly distort most of his presidency. At what point is Trump compensated for the damages caused by this lie? At what poiint do Democrats pay any price for making such a lie? This fact alone has many disenchanted with the American union and democracy.
How can you have a process that just encourages such outrageous gaslighting because the people are too corrupted by politics to hold the party that spent years lying to them accountable with any consequences.
Democrat voters want to be lied to, they don't care about results and therefore nothing they or their leaders says matters.
That is the truth we learned from Russiagate, and why we have ZERO respect for anything you say, and don't think its a good idea sharing any kind of goverment with people like you.
@DryGermanGuy Obama eventually released his birth certificate Years later after become president due to soo much pressure including from people like Donald Trump.
Your article is dated 2011 Obama ran for office in 2008. The point I was making is Obama showed contempt for the right of the American people to enforce the requirements of the constitution for his office.
@goaded Just because the same dirty goverment Obama ran was willing to declare it valid does not mean the American people find the evidence compelling. That is why I said judge for themselfs.
Regardless it kind of was missing the point the birth certificate can tell you important details like the background and situation of the parents. Such as the parent's birth information, or the exact location of the birth. Both of which are vital information in determining if you were born an American citizen.
@goaded We don't dispute that then serving politicians had allowed him to assume the office which is obvious, but the question of whether or not they should have. The law in question is Article 2 Section 1 clause 5. What the goverment accepts as evidence to this effect is not mentioned nor even how it is enforced which means it can be enforced by anyone who takes the oath to enforce the whole constitution including state Officers as it had been in deciding who could run.
That is what makes it a political question of the legitimacy of said standards of which we can demand our politicians act.
They accepted a legally binding document, as they should have. Why don't you? Really. There must be a reason. There wasn't anything like this crap with McCain, who wasn't even born in the US.
@goaded Natural born American Citizen is referencing to American family & parents not location of your birth. Otherwise the at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution and 14 year residency requirement would not be much a thing: constitutionus.com/constitution/articles/article2/
The reason for this requirement is your ties and loyalty to the country. Simply being born in a place does not make you loyal, your family ties does that.
So now you're saying children born in America of immigrants shouldn't be entitled to run for president? That's not what the law says. Next you'll be claiming that it was meant to exclude people born by C-section.
@goaded I am not saying that, the Constitution which is the supreme law is saying that.
If your parents were not naturalized when you were born your only entitled to inherit their existing citizenship not that of the State and federal goverment.
This is about your loyalty as such how you were born does not matter only to whom you were born.
No. The constitution doesn't say a word about parentage. You could have one American parent, be born and live the first 20 years of your life in Moscow and still be eligible to be president at 35. Conversely, you could be born in the USA to immigrants, or even visitors, and you're entitled to American citizenship.
The Obama team first released his birth certificate in 2008, as it is even mentioned in the article. You can't even keep track of your own racist smear campaign! the.honoluluadvertiser.com/.../...ii811010345.html
@DryGermanGuy As mentioned the issue was he didn't release the vital long form which includes vital information about the place of birth of his parents until many years later.
There is also the fact that the laws of the time suggest his mother alone was not able to pass citizenship.
"I do not agree that mere presence makes you a citizen as you need to be subject to the jurisdiction thereof IE citizenship" So you don't accept anything since 1868. Why not? It's the law. "birth within United States territory", 14th Amendment.
There's a reasonable argument to be had for naturalised citizens to be eligible for the presidency, based on: "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
@goaded Without bothering to question the legitimacy of an amendment only ever ratified at gun point and without accepting no as an answer among the remaining states such as the 14th amendment was.
The same amendment in Section 1 contains the qualifications of "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," which was explained by its anthers as to exclude forign subjects without American parentage including Indians.
It is only a much later presumption of the left without debate that said cause might as well have never been written.
@goaded Are you not reading what I write? I just quoted you the actual law and explained how it doesn't mean what you claim it means.
The subject of politicians writing their own interpretation of said law in how they enforce or not enforce said constitutional requirement doesn't mean they are correct.
Wow do you actually do any real research or do you just take all the talking points from MSNBC and CNN? You know nothing you said is true… right? For example “Russian collusion” was debunked years ago… and it turned out the the only Russian collusion was actually between Hillary Clinton and Russia. Watching the DNC the other day I heard Kamala talk about Trump leading an ARMED insurrection on Jan. 6th. The truth, Trump said go peacefully to the capital and let your voices be heard. Big point NO ONE HAD GUNS. You do not have an insurrection without guns. If that was a real insurrection and that half a million people were armed… our government would look a lot different today for sure. Oh and for it being called an insurrection, many of the people still in jail today were invited in by the capital police… the video evidence for that is out there.
So everything you said is just false… a question for you…. Are you being paid to lie? Or are you just that uninformed?
Tbh my bil is looking for a job. How do you apply?
I only hope that you live long enuf to see the Kabuki theater of lies you have dedicated your life to and reflect on what your gullibility hath wrought...
Like the maga people care about all that. They believe what they are told to believe. The problem is that djt’s crimes and problems are catching up to the Republican Party. They’re just running out of gas and nothing can save them from the evolution of what America is. You can’t hold on to the racist past.
When I saw what happen on Jan 6, 2020 it scares me just to watch it. Yes, you are correct, he is dangerous and if anyone votes for him, It will be a dark and shady time. If Trump loses, he will repeat Jan 6, 2020.
Leftists won't even consider looking at sources that aren't far left propaganda, and Pepper is one of the worst in that regard (goaded has him beat, for now anyway, for straight out misrepresentation and propaganda).
Lol, Hilary started the birther rumor Russian collusion lie, Hilary again Your nominee for president and the current resident of the White House both stated they{d never take the trump vaccine.
Your entire post is a lie. You should feel embarrassed
@goaded Well done. you provided three biased sources. This is the best part. Camela promoting the lie that Trump told you to inject bleach fantasy. She's such a bald-faced liar no wonder you believe her.
Wow. I did not expect you to actually respond in an adult fashion! Well done!
"Sen. Kamala Harris on vaccine: "If Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it."" That's not the same as saying she'd never take it, just that she wouldn't take Trump's word for it. She made it very clear at the time that she would if Fauci recommended it, and they obviously both took the vaccine.
"Hilary paid for the steele dossier with campaign funds then covered up the payment (sound familiar)?" You said she started the "Russian collusion lie"; the dossier was not the trigger for the investigation, the interference was real (the email leak, in particular), Mueller found many contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia, and many instances of obstruction that probably hid more concrete connections, the dossier contains confirmed details, and the Clinton campaign admitted their actions and paid a fine (Trump's still lying about his cover-up, despite his conviction).
From the politifact page: "It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign. ... Trump goes on to completely distort the chain of events by claiming Clinton "was all in" on the birther movement. Most of the talk started after Clinton suspended her presidential campaign. And the only thing she officially has ever done is deny any accusation of starting a whisper campaign."
Remind me, do you think that Trump calling a mob to DC and telling them to go to the Capitol and "stop the steal" (for which Roger Stone created a website in 2016) had anything to do with the attack on the Capitol? Do you think there's more or less evidence that Clinton was personally behind the birtherism smear?
Ah, yes. You're back to normal. There would have been nobody there if Trump hadn't called them, They wouldn't have belived the lie that the election was stolen if he hadn't told it. They wouldn't have attacked the Capitol if they didn't listen to him telling them to "fight, or you won't have a country any more". There would have been no trouble at all if he'd simply conceded, like every US president before him.
How many times did he say "peacefully", and how many times did he say "fight"?
Do you think anyone believed a peaceful protest outside the Capitol would have affected the electoral vote count?
@exitseven Oh, this should be good. Go on, then, did Russia not interfere in the 2016 election at all? Not even by hacking Podesta's emails and publishing them?
@exitseven Then follow the references. You can't believe that Trump bringing people to DC, lying to them, then sending them to the Capitol didn't have anything to do with the attack on the Capitol, and then turn around and say someone Clinton knew said something to someone and that proves Clinton was the source of a smear.
"Russia interfered less in the 2016 election than the FBI did in the 2020 election." So, you admit Russia interfered in the 2016 election. So, by the way, did the FBI: "her emails"!
@goaded If you watched some real news or if you watched Trump's speech in real time you would have heard him say to ":March Peacefully and patriotically and let you voices be heard" He did not cause the riot. no matter what that fake Jan6th committee said.
That's what they did, was it? "Protest peacefully"? If Trump hadn't called people there, there would have been no attack on the Capitol. If you can't accept that simple fact...
@goaded The Constitution gives us the right to assemble. A million people came to DC that day to protest a stolen election. If Trump wanted to really cause an insurrection there would have been a lot more damage than a few broken windows and some guy putting his feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk.
@exitseven I'm not talking about the right to assemble, I'm asking if anyone would have assembled if Trump hadn't lied about the election and called them to DC.
@exitsteven. @gorydetails. Everything @goaded. Said is the truth!! We both provided sources! You two should check out these sources even if to just laugh and discredit them cuz you already know the truth! It will give you insight into what the Marxists are thinking!
@exitseven OK, whatever, I'll re-phrase in order to get an answer: I'm not talking about the right to assemble, I'm asking if anyone would have assembled on Jan 6 if Trump hadn't told them the election was stolen and called them to DC.
Still pushing the long-debunked Russia Hoax and "religious ban", among other BS. Are you that gullible or simply dishonest?
Having seen your constant rantings, misrepresentations and sometimes flat out lies about Trump, it's obviously you need to detox yourself of your Trump Derangement Syndrome. But the underlying problem is that you live in an echo chamber of lies and deception while supporting a Nazi Party that discriminates against you and hates you, especially the Hamas supporters and Islamists that harass Jews.
I know there's a lot of competition to be the most deluded leftist propagandist on GAG, but to deny the Democratic Party's obvious and growing problem with anti-Semitism is beyond delusional and dishonest. You think the leftists will protect you? They'd throw anyone under the bus- and do. But keep sucking up to them.
You obviously don't know how cult minded people work. Cult minded people reject reality and only listen to the leader of the cult and follow the leaders every work while praising the leader like a diety. If trump told them the cocktail to make poison koolaid and told them it was a miracle cure for every ailment, they would literally not even think twice and drink it believing it to be so. Then claim he never said any of that, and say it was the Democrats that did, and they would still believe him.
There's nothing like an election to bring out the spotless sweet character of the left. It doesn't matter who is running. You see and hear such sweet sentiments but some say a politician speaks I'll. I hear more from the voter that is so caring and compassionate. But they throw those stones as only the sinless can.
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Nope Never forget Joey agreed to sell the US to China Joey laundered billions in fentanyl cash via Ukraine Joey planned a genocide against anyone who didn't vote for him Joey pulled out of Afghanistan worse than he did from his teenage daughter for enough heroin to keep Hunter high and hidden for the rest of his life
No... The greatest threat is the current democratic party that ones to destroy every facet of our constitution which is what binds our country together.
The Democratic party is talking about instituting term limits for the Supreme Court because they finally don't control the court for the first time in what, half a century?
Term limits have been discussed since 1787!!! I'm in favor of 18 year term limits for SCOTUS and congress!! It will keep it fair and lower the temperature
Omg term limits have been on the table since honest abe became the first Republican!!
Happen to recall McConnell not holding hearings for Garland in violation of the spirit of the constitution?
If every POTUS gets 2 picks it's neutral. Just gotta win the presidency.
18 years for congress gives enough time for relationships and institutional memory and it's neutral.
The Constitution is a suicide pact. You're witnessing it in real time but MAGA still keeps spinning the chambers and putting it to USA head... Click... Click... Click...
Don't know how I missed this, but I think you proved my point. "The Constitution is a suicide pact." You, and your party, don't want to uphold the constitutional bargain of the country. You think it's stupid and that y'all are smarter. We should do away with the constitution so the democrats can do whatever they want. It's absurd and will destroy our country.
The solution. The problem is an overbearing government that keeps breaking the contract of our nation. If they want to make a new charter, a new agreement we can all sign up for then more power to them. That isn't what they're doing though because every decision they make isn't appreciated by at least half of the nation.
""We've always done it this way " is the dumbest answer anyone could ever give to ANY question." Remember how this conversation started, "No... The greatest threat is the current democratic party that ones to destroy every facet of our constitution which is what binds our country together." Your initial response seemed to indicate that it was absurd to contest that Democrats want to upend the constitution but you quickly changed to acknowledge that we should throw the whole thing out. If that's the case more power to you, but the Democrats should acknowledge that's their plan. They should be forthright and explain they want to change the American bargain. They won't; however, if they do they will never win a race again. The Constitution is what binds our states together.
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