The last two Republican VPs aren't voting for Trump, what does that tell you?

[goaded]

Pence, of course, had Trump supporters sent to kill him. That would put anyone off.

But Dick Cheney, GW Bush's VP is voting against him (as is his daughter) because Trump's a danger to democracy in the US and the world.

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Who the F*ck is post-and-block @buzzword? Seems like an asshole to me.

[Red_Arrow]

Of course good Republicans are voting for Kamala. Trump has pushed out the good ones and replaced them with his MAGA bullshit. He puts down our military heroes and calls them losers. Anybody of either party who votes for Trump hates America!

[Still-alive]

I mean that alone should tell them that something is seriously wrong with the republican party right now but they of course don't want to have to think about that i guess...

[CrazyGirl2]

I'm not going to get into politics, because I really truly hate politics. But I am pretty sure that JD Vance's Family is voting for him. Walz’s entire family came out in supportive Trump, because they said they know things about their brother/son/cousin make it so they do not trust him to run the country. now I know for a fact that CNN likes to try out Trump's sister all the time to make sure we all know that Trump's sister is not supporting him, I'm just curious as to why the story has been in the news for days and it's not been on CNN yet? But a… Maybe I'm wrong, maybe JD Vance has a whole shit load of family members who're not voting for him, but if that were the case, I think I would've seen it on CNN by now if that was the case. (although to be fair I don't spend my every waking moment watching CNN.)

Tim Walz’s Family

[CrazyGirl2]

Just so nobody misunderstand me, I think it's really sad that his family is not voting for him, or supporting his nomination as vice president. I believe that family is more important than politics, and similar to Donald Trump's sister, the Walz family should have supported their son/brother/cousin, no matter what!

(I just wanted to clear that up, so nobody thought there was somehow “Pro Trump” I am DEFINITELY NOT! I cannot fck'n and stand Donald Trump (although I'm leaning in that direction now that RFK has thrown his support behind him, as I was planning to vote for RFK, and they vote for Trump with mean Robert Kennedy Junior would have a pivotal role in the administration. I might not like Trump, but I believe RFK could do a lot of good for our country.)

[goaded]

It has been in the news, but not particularly obvious because it's just fact checking misleading claims. I don't know about you, but I have no clue who in the world is related to my grandfather's brother (or even if he had one).

“The family in the picture are the descendants of Francis Walz, who was brother to Tim Walz’s grandfather,”
time.com/.../

www.nytimes.com/.../...lz-family-shirts-trump.html
www.yahoo.com/.../...-entire-family-211054616.html

Even international news:
www.independent.co.uk/.../...d-trump-b2607178.html

The other person in his family that doesn't support him is his elder brother, Jeff, whose "scandalous" story is that Tim used to be sick in the family car when he was a child. www.businessinsider.com/tim-walz-brother-jeff-conservative-trump-car-sickness-2024-9 www.newsnationnow.com/.../

[CrazyGirl2]

That’s not the point. The guy’s own brother doesn’t support him. I’m getting ready for work so I can’t read articles right now. My point, was that Trumps sister is the only Trump family member the press, and especially CNN like to trot out to badmouth Trump, and that’s more than enough for most. But when it’s Walz’s brother and HIS entire family, suddenly say There are issues with Tim that the public doesn't know, and we don’t trust him to be the second most powerful person on earth, suddenly the press say “oh that’s just Tim Walz's brother’s family, that’s not TIM'S family". I think it's freaking tragic when ANY member of a family tries to betray their family member. I know It’s disgusting that people in the media take such glee at spreading division within a family… and especially over politics ffs!
(sorry, I ran out of time to send this. I’m at work (school) now, so I have time to finally send this)

Laura 🤗 🥰

[goaded]

But it's not his "entire family", it's second or third cousins from a different state who as far as I can see have nothing to do with him, and his estranged brother (who's the one who claimed "issues with Tim that the public doesn't know", but that ended up being about getting carsick as a child).

Mary Trump is Donald's niece, not sister, and at least she comes out with concrete facts.

Many of the people saying not to vote for Trump are people who Trump chose to work for him, isn't that more important? Former generals are telling you that Trump, not Biden is to blame for the Afghan pullout. Trump's finally admitted that he lost the election, which means he knew he was lying to his supporters all this time.

[Avicenna]

Ah, yes, leftists now cite neocon Darth Cheney, who helped start a bloody war in Iraq on false premises, as some authority on dangers to democracy. George Orwell was very prophetic about leftists and their propaganda.

But it figures a Stalinist propagandist would welcome Cheney‘s support. You can have that criminal.

[goaded]

Well, that's one way of putting it. The honest way is that we're pointing out that even the most rabid of Republicans realise that Trump is a danger to democracy.

[Red_Arrow]

@goaded Yes, that is the true way to put it. But do not expect truth and sanity from Trump supporters.

[goaded]

@Red_Arrow I'd worked that out for myself, thanks! C:

[msc545]

Trump has managed to convince - through his actions and words - a number of Republicans to not vote for him. This is probably related to his odious character, the fact that he is a liar, and his repetitive criminal behavior. Not to mention his complete disrespect for military personnel and his insufferable arrogance.

[ManOnFire]

It says they care about real politics. Trump is just a theater actor who knows he can get the support of unintelligent folks.

[exitseven]

Cheney is a RINO. He along with his daughter have not yet come to grips with the fact that the Republicsn party is no longer the party of the rich but is now the party of the American Citizen.
When Gerald Ford died Dick Cheney was one of his pall bearers. When his casket was carried out of the Capitol they walked in front of a wall that was made up of all mirror tiles. Dick Cheney did not have a reflection. Also when he had his heart transplant the doctors could not find the old one.

[Yabbut]

Who was going to kill Mike Pence? The folks with the 4 ft gallows? But, anyway.. it tells me they're not voting for him, as is their right. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Friendlybro79]

When the people that were storming the capitol, defacing it, screaming hang Mike Pence, I assume those are the people that were trying to kill him.

[Yabbut]

@Friendlybro79 they had a 4 ft gallows. I doubt they were actually looking to kill him.

[Friendlybro79]

You're really underestimating the stupidity of those individuals. Ok well I'm not ok with not taking people at their word when they physically threaten others. You might be but let's say that was your Dad, would you be like ah it's fine. I doubt they mean it, as they tried to break through your front door and windows? They were violent maniacs and if it were you or a loved one you wouldn't be so nonchalant.

[Still-alive]

oh they're just storming the capital to just have a peaceful friendly chat huh? nice...

[msc545]

Put your head in that noose with your hands tied behind your back and see what happens, stupid.

[Yabbut]

@msc545 fuck off

[Yabbut]

@Friendlybro79 i did not say they were smart, or that they weren't in the wrong just that I don't believe they were actually there to kill anyone. I can do that, believe differently than you.

[Still-alive]

So when they broke windows and other things to get into the building... you think they weren't there to hurt or kill anyone?

[Friendlybro79]

@yabbut You absolutely can believe differently than me. I don't mind that at all but I do disagree with you. People violent enough and stupid enough to get as far into as shoving down and through police and as I started above are violent. I believe they meant to harm based on that. They were looking for him. Did you think if they found him they were going to turn from an angry violent and destructive mob to all of a sudden, if successful in finding pence, to just stop there and be reasonable and just talk? Lol. You can believe in anything you want but your logic would be better said that I didn't believe they were going to be successful at reaching him despite their efforts.

[Yabbut]

@Friendlybro79 no. I think if they found him they would have been shot.

[Friendlybro79]

That's diff than what you said earlier. You said earlier you don't think they were there to kill him I said they were.

I also don't think it would have been easy to be successful because they are stupid. We can agree to disagree why they were breaking in screaming hang Mike Pence.

[Yabbut]

@Friendlybro79 i said *I* didn't think they were there to actually kill him. I think they were probably a bunch of stupid rednecks being stupid. If they tried to get past the secret service, they would have been dealt with.

[Friendlybro79]

I know and I think they did want to kill him when they were chanting hang him because they were a bunch of stupid red necks lol. It's ok we can disagree on that. At least we agree they were stupid lol. No hard feelings. Have a great day.

[msc545]

Oh I see. It looks like you got found out for being stupid didn't you?

[Yabbut]

@Friendlybro79 same to you.

[Yabbut]

@msc545 no. I don't come to you acting like an ass and name calling because I disagree. You can disagree all you want, but there's no need to be a dick about it.

[msc545]

Ok sorry, but I get a bit tired of this kind of stuff. You can choke to death in a 4 ft tall gallows almost as easily as in a 10 ft tall one. Also, m it was the intent that was the problem...

[Yabbut]

@msc545 but they never would have gotten close enough. I honestly think they were just really stupid, probably drunk rednecks. You disagree, that's cool.

[msc545]

We can never know their intent, but the explicit message was bad enough.

[Bricealan]

It tell me that you at 59 have your head just as far up your ass as the rest of the people that make those kinds of stupid assertions

[goaded]

Are you saying Dick Cheny is lying?

[buzzword]

It tells you they are deep state pedophiles that went to Epstein island with all of the Democrats.

[sawno]

Tells me those are the bad kind of republican.

[sawno]

And c'mon the VP of the guy who started an unnecessary foreign war already says enough. Obviously war fanatics aren't going to want a president who is known to have a track record of no new wars and who pledges to end the russia / ukraine war.

[goaded]

You know he'd "end" it by giving Putin what he wants, just like he gave the Taliban what they wanted.

[sawno]

That or he has some kind of way to blackmail Russia. We'll see which of the two happens once he gets in office. I'd say either one is likely based on Trumps style.

[goaded]

Yeah, Trump's smarter than Putin.

[gatixek710]

I love the Republican Party has you shitlibs shilling for a vp you called a warmonger a few years ago and shot his friend in the face with no repercussions.

[goaded]

He's still a terrible person, but he's doing one right thing. You're trying to ignore that major Republican political figures (not to mention dozens of people who worked directly for Trump when he was president) are telling you that he's a threat to the country.

[gatixek710]

Trump is a threat to the warmongering deep state. I agree. That’s the point.

[goaded]

No. Trump's policies will create massive inflation, which is why dozens of business leaders signed a letter supporting Harris (there's even a Murdoch in there!), he wants Musk to do to the government what he's done to Twitter, and he'll likely destroy NATO.

[gatixek710]

Lmao. We have massive inflation under Biden. We had no inflation under trump.

Great for allowing musk to get rid of waste and corruption.

[goaded]

No, you HAD massive inflation, two years ago, and even then it was lower than back in the 1980s. It's pretty much normal again now.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FPCPITOTLZGUSA

[gatixek710]

Get the fuck outta here with your gaslighting. Prices haven’t gone down. You’re the guy who rapes a girl then pulls out a bit and says “see just the tip is in now. I’m barely raping you”

[goaded]

You don't understand what inflation is, do you? Low inflation doesn't mean prices go down, it means they don't go up as fast.

"Harris has a strong record of advancing actions to spur business investment in the United States and ensure American businesses can compete and win in the global market," "She will continue to advance fair and predictable policies that support the rule of law, stability, and a sound business environment, and she will strive to give every American the opportunity to pursue the American dream,"
www.reuters.com/.../

[Juxtapose]

Hahaha look at this bogus shit. This guy is really trying to tell us that bidenomics worked!

[goaded]

@Juxtapose Prices actually went down in June.

[gatixek710]

@Juxtapose the gaslighting and ignorance is astounding

[goaded]

It's called honesty. You probably don't recognise it.

[gatixek710]

I recognize shitlib bullshit when I see it. If prices are down why the fuck does kaMALA campaign that she’s going to stop “price gouging”?

[goaded]

Because it's the reason for a lot of the remaining inflation. Not costs, profits.

[gatixek710]

Bahahaha. What is a grocery store’s profit margin?

[goaded]

Far less than any of the three or four wholesalers they can buy from. Going from 20 to 15 providers isn't a problem, going from 10 to 6 is.

[gatixek710]

That’s a non answer. You’re presenting your opinions as being factual about the cause of inflation, so you’d think you’d have an answer to the question. What’s a grocery store’s profit margin? On average.

[goaded]

If you want to ignore facts, that's up to you. It's not the grocery stores that are driving inflation.

[gatixek710]

Ah, who are the greedy ones oh genius of economics?

[goaded]

"Airlines have merged from 12 major carriers in 1980 to 4 today.

A handful of companies control the pharmaceutical industry.

Four giants control 80% of meat processing.

The evidence of corporate concentration is everywhere.

And fewer competitors means higher prices for you."
Robert Reich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOTwvEluqXE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L6bjQNOZ0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deVK_cDId8E

[gatixek710]

Still waiting for some numbers.

[goaded]

Bullshit, you're just avoiding what you know to be true.

JBS had a record net profit of $4.4 billion for the 12-month period ending March 31, 2022 — a 70% increase over the previous 12 months.

Tyson had a record $4.1 billion net profit for the year ending March 31, 2022 — a 91% increase over the previous 12 months.

Cargill delivered a record $4.9 billion in net income for its fiscal year ending May 31, 2021 — up 60% over the previous 12 months.

Marfrig reported a net profit of $820.1 million in 2021, a 32% increase over 2020. "This was our largest profit ever,"

"The Big Four meat conglomerates are JBS Foods, Tyson Foods, Cargill and Marfrig.
Each of the four reported record net income in the latest year-over-year financial information we could find.
Meat prices have increased 12.3% over a year-long period ending May 31, 2022. "
www.politifact.com/.../

[gatixek710]

Yeah, I know what's true. Inflation is caused by an oversupply of dollars which is what happened under the Harris administration. She caused the problem she's claiming to be able to fix.

[goaded]

Didn't think you'd like reality. Enjoy your own little world of nonsense.

[gatixek710]

I'm sorry you're too dumb to know what causes inflation. Why weren't these producers greedy during Trump's time in office? Did they forget how to be greedy? Is this a new level of greedy knowledge they obtained somewhere? Did someone write a book on new ways to be greedy?

You claimed prices are falling, did these wholesalers decide it was time to stop being greedy?

[goaded]

Projection. The companies had inflation to use as a cover to increase prices, so they increased prices to increase their profits. Duh.

I didn't "claim" anything, I said the latest figures showed that prices decreased in June, which is a fact. https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm

[gatixek710]

oh, so there is inflation caused by the money supply being drastically increased. Just as I said.

[goaded]

If in doubt lie your ass off. Got it.

[gatixek710]

You having zero clue about economics doesn't make me a liar. It makes you a idiot.

[goaded]

Yeah, you're lying. Corporations boosting their profits lead to inflation. It's not the only reason, but they used the other reasons as cover. They don't pay more for their meat, they don't pay much more for transport, they just over charge.

When it happened in Germany, the supermarkets just stopped stocking overpriced brands. (Their own-brand products are made in the same factories, so they know what the costs were doing.)

[gatixek710]

Again, they didn't "boost their profits" during Trump's administration? how come? You midwits keep claiming that Trump only cares about corporations... seems that'd be a great time to "boost profits" unchecked.

God you are dumb.

[goaded]

I already answered that.

[gatixek710]

yeah. With nonsense. Aside from your lack of economic sense, nothing you’re typing passes the most basic common sense analysis. But that’s typical for the left these days.

[noohair]

Rino's are not republicans. And all these prople are part of the Professional Political Overseer Class and Trump is not in that club. He is a danget to their power over us.

[goaded]

Sure. Republican Vice Presidents aren't really Republicans. Only Trump is a Republican. How do you manage to believe this nonsense?

You might like to look up the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

[Juxtapose]

You can't be a sincere member of either party when you are a deep state agent.

[goaded]

@Juxtapose I'll make it easy for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

According to you two, no Republican has ever been a Republican until 2016. It's ridiculous.

[Juxtapose]

I don't WANT Cheney to endorse Trump that would be a horrible sign. And who gives a fuck about Pence?

[goaded]

Obviously not Trump, who was happy for him to be killed.

[Juxtapose]

Hahaha, you're absurd!

[goaded]

"The Jan. 6 select committee has heard testimony indicating that then-President Donald Trump — after rioters who swarmed the Capitol began chanting “hang Mike Pence” — expressed support for hanging his vice president, according to three people familiar with the matter."

[Juxtapose]

I don't trust that committee. Why would he openly express support for hanging somebody? That's so stupid, even if he is somehow a ruthless sociopath. You are taking this on the hearsay of three people.

[llorando]

They choose to support a neolib over a neocon lite.

[Maybeyoutoo]

As an Italian I am not interested in Ukraine

[goaded]

Did I mention Ukraine?

[Maybeyoutoo]

Ukrainian flag?

[BazookaTrouper]

If you're not even American, the election isn't even for you to vote in anyway!