Does it bother you that Trump was caught lying about his association with Project 2025? That he supported the work of the Heritage Foundation?

[DrPepper12]

"They’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do,” Trump said of the Heritage Foundation and their efforts to – as they describe on the Project 2025 website – “pave the way” for Trump’s next administration.

Video of POTUS Trump on his association with MAGA proceeds with Project 2025. The speech is from April 21st 2022. Heritage began work on the Project that month on 2022 agenda in 2022.

See this link for whole speech:
https://youtu.be/IsgGJQDBIiM?si=3dxCrrns877dvo35

Trump lied? Color me stunning and

Trump disavowed this association. No news move on!

[blueonblack22]

Of all the things you could come after Trump for please give up on f*cking project 2025! Just stop!

Democrats keep oscillating between Trump being a blowhard orange oath with zero self control vs. a sinister plotting megalomaniac. He can’t be both! He can’t be one or the other when it’s convenient for the circumstance.

He’s really the former. He’s got no filter and just reacts to whatever happens in the moment. He’s instinctual. But Trump isn’t a long thinker and never has been for his entire political career.

But this is the exact rhetoric about the project 2025 conspiracy nonsense is what is motivating mentally unstable psychos like Ryan Routh to take violent action. Democrats need to back the f*ck away from this.

Trump gives you plenty to go off on anyway. His comments about “Haitian migrants eating cats and dogs” during the presidential debate had my face bright red with face palms. That isn’t going to change my voting decision but still I know plenty of low information voters saw that and I can’t defend trump for stepping on huge rakes. It was stupid and inconsequential but still it was horrible optics.

So please quit it on project 2025. Just stop it. And again here is a CNN article showing Trump openly disavowing this. If CNN is willing put this up about their arch nemesis Donald Trump then you have to believe it’s legit.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/s_mCH2edo14

[msc545]

Nope. They put it up to give him the chance to lie yet again in a very public forum.

[blueonblack22]

@msc545 bullshit. It’s 900 pages long and I doubt Trump has even looked at it.

But I get it. Democrats can’t give up on this one because it ties into the “Trump is a threat to democracy” bs.

[msc545]

I think he read the Cliff Notes version or had it explained to him in simple terms.

[DrPepper12]

He a gullible moron playing POTUS while sycophants flatter him and do as they please. He's both, moron and culpible for sinister shit.

[blueonblack22]

@msc545 let’s see here. This is how democrats are so “pro democracy”:

- Used the FBI to coerce social media into taking down true information that favor republicans. The most famous example was the true Hunter Biden story right before the 2020 election.

- Used OSHA mandates to force untested COVID vaccinations on 80M+ Americans lest they lose their jobs. I’m not an anti-vaxxer but that was an unprecedented infringement on American civilian freedoms. But we are also supposed to forgot about that, right? Nothing authoritarian at all about that.

- Started the Orwellian “disinformation government board”. This was discontinued after 2 months (thank God) but this is true 1984 insanity. And really when is the last time the deep state wrongly censored a pro-leftist information online as “disinformation”. en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Disinformation_Governance_Board

- Having Biden threatening to pack the Supreme Court and putting term limits on justices which is a direct violation of the constitution.

- Forcing “Equity Social and Governance” on American corporations so they can force DEI training on employees. If they don’t do it they will get delisted from stock exchanges. Again nothing authoritarian at all.

- Prosecuting Trump with criminal charges in the MIDDLE OF AN ELECTION CYCLE at the behest of a Biden DOJ. But the timing of the prosecution must have been a coincidence, right?

The list just goes on and on. But let’s use the mass media to gaslight the American public about project 2025 and that “Trump is the threat to democracy.

The REAL THREAT to democracy is the modern Democratic Party and they have blatantly proved it. Especially during the Biden administration. But when you hear the word “Trump” the ends justify the means, right?

[blueonblack22]

Oh I forgot to mention. Shoving Kamala in as the DNC nominee at the last second despite her not winning one primary vote is “real democracy”.

Anyway you know I’m not gung ho about MAGA and Trump’s personality. But just LOOK at the banana republic insanity the democrats have done in the last 4 years. LOOK.

And it’s not going to end if they beat Trump in November. No and f*ck no. The democrats want socialism and they have been very open about that. That requires big government and authoritarian rule.

Seriously do you want America to be ruled by big brother? And really explain to me how “dictatorial” Trumps first term was compared to the Biden administration? Really did his administration do anything that insane like I listed above?

[msc545]

@blueonblack conspiracy theories much?

[blueonblack22]

@msc545 everything I listed above has happened.

[msc545]

Prove it!

[msc545]

Allegations and accusations are cheap. Link some proof if you have any.

[blueonblack22]

@msc545 you seriously haven’t heard about the above? Well here we go.

FBI coercing Facebook to take down a true story about Hunter Biden (you should know this).

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62688532.amp

Disinformation Governance Board. www.cbsnews.com/.../

Biden trying to defy the constitution with Supreme Court term limits.

amp.cnn.com/.../biden-supreme-court-reform

[blueonblack22]

ESG. Sure it sounds “nice” but in reality it’s forcing corporations to push DEI bullshit on their employees

www.techtarget.com/.../environmental-social-and-governance-ESG

[blueonblack22]

The timing of Trumps federal indictments www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jr-alleges-pattern-timing-fathers-indictments-1816805

[blueonblack22]

The coronation of Kamala Harris. No primary election. theconversation.com/democratic-partys-choice-of-harris-was-undemocratic-and-the-latest-evidence-of-party-leaders-distrusting-party-voters-236002

[blueonblack22]

@DrPepper12 “ He's both, moron and culpible for sinister shit”

No he’s not both. You can’t be a blow hard who reacts to whatever just in the moment and the same time be a long term plotter with a sinister agenda.

Democrats are using projection by saying “Trumps a threat to democracy”. Bullshit. They have been beyond culpable when it comes to being authoritarian and anti-democracy. But their supporters are fine with it just as long it keep the orange bad man out of office. Again the ends justify the means.

But they won’t stop with this heinous authoritarian bs if they are successful at stopping Trump from being re-elected. They want big centralized government, control and power to force their agendas on the masses.

[blueonblack22]

@DrPepper12 @msc545 I know I went off on a tangent on this one. However as you can see I’ve put a lot thought into this over the years.

My own life has been detrimentally impacted by a lot of bullshit the Biden administration has done. But I am also very worried about the future of this country. Socialism (and communism) has been tried before in history with horrifying results. Ronald Reagan once famously quoted that “if fascism ever comes to the United States it will come in the name of liberalism”. Yes he really said this www.snopes.com/.../

I know both of you are usually pragmatic and common sense guys. But there is just something about the word “Trump” that you both nuts.

But have either one of you taken a step back and observed what the unprecedented (and authoritarian) actions the democrats have taken in the last few years to block Trump? Have you ever considered that “the cure” could be more damaging then the hypothetical ailment? Have you ever considered that the left has other radical goals and agendas and they use Trump as an excuse to justify this authoritarian insanity?

[blueonblack22]

*about the word “Trump” that drives you both nuts

[msc545]

You want people to give up on this just because he said he wasn't involved? Seriously?

[blueonblack22]

@msc545 and you seriously believe Trump has some sort of sinister agenda with this so called “project 2025”?

But I digress. I spoke above about my own observations and research above.

[msc545]

I do believe that. Yes.

[blueonblack22]

@msc545 if you really believe that then you are beyond hope on this.

Million bucks that 2 years from now our country will be in a deep recession, hyperinflation will be out of control, crime rates will skyrocket, American citizens will have more of their personal freedoms infringed on and we will be likely involved in a direct shooting war abroad.

This all of could of been prevented but instead large swathes of people voted on “feelings” and just ignored hard facts.

[msc545]

Sure deposit your million bucks in a blind trust with my name on it so that in a million years I can take your money.

[msc545]

Actually I'm going to do that in one year. I love typos on this damn site.

[blueonblack22]

@msc545 yeah I use a mobile phone and I make typos all the time. I really like how GAG has these BS AI personalities but never thought about using AI to give posters a chance to correct their typos and/or grammatical errors.

Anyway I am not going to change your mind or vice versa. But the laws of gravity don’t discriminate to your political leanings.

I just don’t get how people can’t see the difference on what REALLY matters. We already had a hard lesson with the Biden administration. I think Kamala is going to be far worse.

[goaded]

Anybody saying they wouldn't implement the more ridiculous policies in that document should bear in mind that IVF has nothing to do with abortion, but every Republican, every single one of them in the United States Senate yesterday, except for two women Republican senators, voted against a bill to guarantee the legality of IVF in all 50 states.

[Anonymous]

He's lying almost every time he speaks. It's more newsworthy if you can find one of those rare instances where he told the truth like the three recent times where he admitted he lost the election. It wasn't "by a whisker" but partial truth was a baby step in the right direction for him.

[goaded]

That's a massive way the media fail us; Trump lies is "old news", so not worth reporting. It needs to be reported immediately and forcefully every time it happens.

[Agape93]

He's only lying because most of the country rightly finds it horrific. It's a game plan for tyranny. His lying only fools his supporters, they're already brain dead tyrant support

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Yes, Trump lied about Project 2025, but we don't know until if he wins.

[exitseven]

Even though Project 2025 has a lot of things that will help fix the country, Trump has not amhad a hand in any of it. It was created by a think tank ans a few were former Trump staffers.

I think they presumed too much by mapping out what President Trump will do. I imagine he was not pleased with this

[goaded]

If so, it's only because he's too lazy to work on things. He's delegated to the Heritage Foundation all the detailed planning for the next Republican president (now with extra immunity!), and the RECRUITMENT of thousands of true believers for his next term. If they've made the plans and recruited the people to make it happen, what are the chances of Trump bothering to stop them? None.

[exitseven]

@goaded Trump is the hardest working man in politics. He is fighting a war on 3 fronts and then takes a bullet and comes back for more. He is not lazy. He is having his time wasted by frivolous court cases.

[msc545]

Bullshit.

[DrPepper12]

144 former Trumpers is not a "few". It will help fix the country? Yeah if you like Saudi Arabia on steroids

[Juxtapose]

Cut it out with a bullshit. Unless he explicitly says Project 2025 is going to be his policy I don't want to fucking hear it.

[Juxtapose]

*the bullshit

[DrPepper12]

He did!! Read his quote, read the transcript!!

[Juxtapose]

Unless you can produce him explicitly saying: "Project 2025 is going to be my policy" I'm not buying it.

[RainbowMarinade]

@Juxtapose
What do you suppose he meant when he said “ They’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do,”

[Juxtapose]

@RainbowMarinade go ask him yourself. But I'm not going to pin that 2025 bullshit on him unless it is extremely explicit that he said it.

[Juxtapose]

Trump has actively denounced that plan and has said he will not read it.

[RainbowMarinade]

@Juxtapose
You don’t believe the words “They’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do,” are explicit enough?
And if he changed his mind, which is entirely possible, why would he claim he knows nothing about it? Seems shady, dontcha think? That he supported it at one point, but decided that now he doesn’t without even reading something he once called the “groundwork” for their “movement?”
I mean, how do you decide when he’s speaking honestly and when he’s full of shit? He says one thing, then contradicts it. I mean…. how do you tell?

[Juxtapose]

@RainbowMarinade absolutely I do not, not with the amount of gaslighting and misrepresentation that has been foisted against Donald Trump.

He has never supported that project and does not even acknowledge having read it. You're going to need to provide proof for that.

[Juxtapose]

I will say though that I have looked at the project myself and a lot of it really isn't that bad. The social conservative stuff like promoting religion or being against gays can go suck a dick but otherwise it's better than what Harris has been peddling, such as price controls and nonsense.

[Juxtapose]

Trump is not one of these hardcore Christian conservatives that are going to do crazy shit like try to ban porn. He's a 90 style New York liberal who is not with the Democrats because they are extremist Marxists.

[goaded]

Trump never read his daily briefings, either. I'm sure he didn't read the Heritage Foundation's document in 2017 either, but he still implemented 2/3rds of it. Guess who did not just read it, but write the introduction.

[Juxtapose]

Who cares? I looked at the index for that book and nothing really stood out to me.

[goaded]

4% of people polled approve of Project 2025. 39% don't have an opinion, yet. 57% disapprove. You're one in 25.

[Juxtapose]

I never said I approve it dude. There are parts of it I don't like so I would not vote for the whole thing to go through if it was up to me.

And also I don't give a shit about biased poll sources.

[goaded]

There's nothing in there that would force you to vote to avoid it happening?

[Juxtapose]

You can't force me to vote lol. Anyone who tries is going to get shot.

[captain_voidwalker]

What did trump know a guy who knew a guy who had a cousin who had a roommate that might have skimmed project 2025 out of boredom.
No what bothers me is 2 times someone's tried to assassinate the man because of the insane rhetoric of the media buy people still swallow the garbage they spew.

[DrPepper12]

144 former Trumpers. 144.

[captain_voidwalker]

144 out of what millions spare me

[goaded]

Not Trump voters, people who worked for Trump in his administration.

[captain_voidwalker]

Ok 144 out of what thousands, spare me.

[goaded]

So 10%, say, of Trump's most loyal staff take it upon themselves to write a detailed plan for Trump to follow, recruit thousands using loyalty tests to the cause and to Trump personally, teach each other how to avoid leaving paper trails, and there's nothing to worry about?

Trump's VP pick is closely associated with the Heritage Foundation, having written the introduction to the 2017 equivalent of Project 2025 (which Trump 'fully embraced' 64 percent of its 321 policy reform recommendations during his 2017-2021 presidency), and the foreword to the Heritage Foundation's president's forthcoming book.

The Heritage Foundation's president who said they "are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.” They're literally talking about changing the way the country is run and that can only be away from "We the People" and back to having kings.

[captain_voidwalker]

And kamala has literally Marxists advising her dosen't automatically make her a communist. And let's just say trump is implementing project 2025, I frankly don't have a problem with securing our borders, lowering taxes, and upholding the law. Which is all it proposes.

[goaded]

... outlawing IVF, pornography, abortion, ending all fetal cell research, making the head of the FBI a political position, eliminate environmental protections and further delay climate action, strip hundreds of thousands of individuals, many of whom have been in the U. S. for decades, of their legal protections by repealing all Temporary Protected Status (TPS) designations, eliminating the Department of Education...

[captain_voidwalker]

That all sounds good to me, except the fbi thing. I'm of the opinion that the fbi should just outright be dissolved

[goaded]

If that's all good by you, why didn't you mention it when you listed "all it proposes"? Ashamed?

[captain_voidwalker]

Nope just didn't think it note worthy.

[goaded]

I think every woman of child-bearing age and person who wants a livable world would disagree with you.

[captain_voidwalker]

You know that man made climate change shit is fake right. It's just a tax scam. And what are women complaining that they can't murder children again be still my cold dead black heart.

[goaded]

I know that man made global warming is true, that the basic mechanism behind it has been known for over a century, and that you and yours are idiots for not accepting reality in favour of fossil fuel driven lies.

[captain_voidwalker]

Ok ill bite how much of the atmosphere is CO2

[goaded]

50% higher than it was 250 years ago.

[captain_voidwalker]

0.0004% at 0.00025% plant life goes extinct

[goaded]

It's going up, not down, dumbass.

[captain_voidwalker]

No shit it's been doing it since the ice age ended

[LifeHitMeandRan]

Oh wow! A politician lied? Shocker! Like Kamala, Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton or any other politician has NEVER lied.

[DrPepper12]

Ok true. WHY is he disavowing this particular policies?

[Jennz6]

Well it’s not gonna make me vote for Kamala

[AviatorTom]

Kamala has changed her mind on many topics. Why can't trump do the same? His most recent comments disavow Projecr 2025.

[exitseven]

I'd Trump was involved his name would be all over it in big gold letters.

[DrPepper12]

@exitseven not if it's electoral kryptonite...

[Anonymous]

Eh. I guess we'll have to vote him into office to see what his policy positions really are. It's the only way to be sure!

[Juxtapose]

What about his policies are you confused about?

[Opinion Owner]

@Juxtapose Let's see if he's serious this time about border security, deportations, and draining the swamp.

[goaded]

Don't forget replacing the ACA with something that everyone can afford!

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded Sure.

[msc545]

Hey Juxtapose, wow, you looked at the whole index? How impressive. How long did that take you, brilliant one?

[Juxtapose]

Imagine actually expecting some of the read something that is irrelevant from 2017. I'm going to do something much more worthwhile of my time and show you a diss track.

"In this rap battle you're creamed

I'll hear you scream

beggin' for me

to stop this peggin'

your legs wide open

like the gap in your teeth

your hair is so greasy

I leased an oil field in dat

I got the power, like an ivory tower

this is my hour

you're so dross, I'm not even cross

I just wanna see you try

try to battle me

you're rattled, wildin' a singin' homie is bodying you

it's crazy, you're in a hazy state

you're my estate, no debate

kneel

you're unreal, what a steal

real shit, this is a sitch

gonna get in my new bitch and hit their itch

that's my pitch

I'm rich, you're bewitched, killswitched

give up homie

you're full of Bologna

one wrong move & you get swiss cheesa"

[Anonymous]

Nothing compared to the liberal plan for 2030, makes the pandemic look like pre-school

Mass genocide (5 billion globally), wealth confiscations and taking children to use as democrat playthings (Epstein was eliminated as he was competition)

[DrPepper12]

Anonymous. How expected. Sources for this fever dream?

[msc545]

Probably some very potent, scary drugs.

[Opinion Owner]

Actions they've already made like letting pedos off with suspended sentences, burying the Epstein list, massive tax spikes, blatant hatred for people who don't fit the ideals of liberalism etc etc

[msc545]

Oh sure

[DrPepper12]

Uh huh... How does Epstein lead to 5B dead? Draw me a chart

[Opinion Owner]

The democrats are kiddie fiddlers and so was Epstein, he ran the biggest competitive business in the sector
The genocide is just clearing out all the workers because Commie pinkos hate working and by proxy workers

[DrPepper12]

Another volunteer who left Earth Prime... Sad!

[Opinion Owner]

I'll be happy laying in the ground

[msc545]

We will be happy to have you there unless you get some help.

[Opinion Owner]

Don't worry, she'll put you right there too if you can't supply kids to be diddled

[msc545]

please get professional help.

[Opinion Owner]

From the democratic diddlers no thanks, they put you in a trance then drip-dry you

[Anonymous]

I don't know why yous soo obsessed with this, project 2025. Even if it were Trump's plan its a sold and admirable plan, but of course its not Trump's plan.

[goaded]

Just the one he's going to front. He's too lazy to organise hiring people for his next administration, and he's well known for hiring "the best" crooks.

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded If Trump somehow manages to win, he would be wise to hire such people. That however would not make the plan his nor mean he is implementing it because Trump and congress would be required to implement the 2025 plan.

Unfortunate that is not going to happen.

[goaded]

So it's obviously what he would do, but it's not his plan? Fine, then we can still point at how terrible it would be and say Trump would implement it. A reasonable shorthand for that would be "Trump's Project 2025".

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded No Trump would not implement the plan, no president has and everyone has been giving one since Reagan by such organizations.
If they even bother to read it at all they rarely take more than half of the ideas. It is NOT their plan.
They are ideas and frankly most of them are Good ideas. If you want to argue their merits that is a separate thread.

[goaded]

No president has ever been presented with this particular plan, but Trump implemented two thirds of the previous plan, even without being provided with thousands of true believers to implement it (since he didn't expect to win in 2016). 2016 was practice, so was Jan 6.

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded What is your point? Althou the plans typically share a lot of standard republican platform ideas having been made for and by republicans, they are all different.

How much of it trump agrees with or disagrees with is up to trump, Why don't you ask him rather than just assigning his opinion? Unlike his opponent trump goes anywhere and answers almost every question.

[goaded]

My point is that Trump hasn't mentioned a single thing he disaproves of in Project 2025. In the absense of that, it's reasonable to assume he agrees with the lot. Why don't you ask him?

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded If you want trump to address any particular issue why don't you ask him. He answers questions unlike Kamala. I don't care either way I don't understand why you care at all. Project 2025 is a solid policy proposal whether trump agrees or disagrees with it.

[goaded]

No he doesn't, he meanders and lies and misdirects, and never answers direct questions. Name a few direct questions he's answered unambiguously, with details on how he intends to achive his goals.

For example, this promise from 2016 was missing those details, and we know how that worked out: "“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.” People covered under the law “can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.”"
www.washingtonpost.com/.../...75f271c9c_story.html

[Anonymous]

Trump Derangement Syndrome is preventing you from reading Project 2025 properly

[DrPepper12]

False.

[Opinion Owner]

keep telling yourself that while Trump lives rent free in your head

[DrPepper12]

Trump. Rent free? That's actually punny!!!

[Snakeyes7]

His agenda 47 or whatever is close enough to it anyway. What does this even change?

[chrissykerdock]

if your a left wing asshole

[Juxtapose]

THANK YOU!

[msc545]

LOL - Trump lies about EVERYTHING.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Trump lied? Who knew?

[bluesparrow]

Not at all.

[turanmert]

ne anlatmaya çalıştın anlamadım ben

[msc545]

I didn't understand what you were trying to say.

Turkish