What if I don't Agree with Feminism or MRAs?

[Anonymous]

I dislike feminism (in the USA, I cannot have an informed opinion of anywhere else) typically, it is used to destroy traditional values, and to demonize men. I find that the men's rights activists also do this. They want to be equal and the same as women, or they just constantly whine and demonize women. I think MRAs don't know what they are though, and can't decide if they want to be traditional, keep women home and not work or vote; or if they want women and men to be treated exactly the same.

Men and women are different. But MRAs whining is pathetic to me. Aren't you men? Be stoic. Emotions are good, but when warranted. Don't spend all day complaining about women when you could instead become the kind of men women would like to be submissive to. I've heard them say that they want women to be drafted, or to be out on the street so that more homeless men can be sheltered. What kind of man says that? If you are a man, you lead by example.

Feminists are wrong in their own right as well. They need to understand the difference between men and women, and reject trans ideology. Respect the value men bring to the table, and understand theirs as well. There are variants within any group, so a woman can be much more like a mainstream man and vice versa. But typically, women and men have their mainstream abilities and value.

Regardless, I think it's stupid for either group to promote being promiscuous. This is something that only hurts themselves. Women say they want to be like men with this, but usually are only promiscuous because theyve been sexually assulted. Men who say it's ok for themselves and not women are just pigheaded, lack any self control and try to cope for it.

Men are acting soft while women act hard. Just a very disgruntled and sad society as a whole. I'm not sure if there's a group for someone who rejects both, but let me know.

[Anonymous]

I agree with you, of course. But I'll point out a few things. First, you can't claim MRA's are whiners without also acknowledging feminists are as well. MRA's have just taken a play from the feminist playbook and started playing the victim card, blaming the opposite sex for everything and complaining incessantly about them. That has been the feminist way for many years, and men are only doing it now BECAUSE of feminism. Feminism and MRAs are just two sides of the same bitter, sexist and hateful coin.

Yes, men are becoming more feminine and women becoming more masculine, which is sad and harmful to both sexes.

And yes, feminism has worked very hard to destroy traditional values and the nuclear family, which has been extremely costly to western society.

What if you don't agree with feminism or MRAs? Just don't support those labels. Movements like MRA and modern feminism accomplish nothing positive, and supporting them supports division, toxicity and gender based hatred. It is 100% possible to believe in and advocate for equal opportunities, fairness and equal treatment under the law without aligning one's self with a label like feminism or MRAs, and thereby not give legitimacy to those ugly movements.

[Asker]

Of course feminists are also whiners... yes. But it's much more pathetic seeing it from a grown man than it is a woman. It's just annoying from women.

[Opinion Owner]

Ah, so you hold women to a lower standard than men. I see. Is that what they call internalized misogyny?

[Asker]

No, I view men and women as different. Do you view them as the same? Are they interchangeable? Are there no such things as male or female?

[Opinion Owner]

Right, you hold women to a lower standard than men because you view men and women as different. Just what I said.

[Asker]

Nope, not lower. Just different. But hey, if you wanna be all woke then that's your problem

[Opinion Owner]

I'm anything but woke, but I do call out bullshit where I see it.

[Asker]

Nah, you seem to think men and women are the same. That's woke.

[Opinion Owner]

Men and women are obviously not the same, but that doesn't mean men should be judged any differently than women for complaining about the bad behavior of the opposite sex. That's absurd. You're holding women to a lower standard, which is childish.

[Asker]

I'm not. Men are pathetic when they whine and women are annoying. Why? Because they're different. If a father feeds his child chicken nuggets, he's praised. If a woman does it, "why not something healthier?" This is because there's different expectations and levels to these things. Everything is a different field. You're just mad that there are senerios where more is expected of a man than a woman. And that my friend, is pathetic.

[Opinion Owner]

Yes, you are. You're just not bright enough to recognize it, which is of course pathetic.

[Asker]

Sure, men and women are the same. Go join your femcels with that mentality

[Opinion Owner]

Nope, men and women are not the same. But holding women to a lower standard because of that is just dumb and misogynistic.

[normalice]

No, feminism is about exactly one thing: equal pay for equal work.

But the MRA people are extremely well funded and like to create a bunch of false flag feminists online to talk about nonsense, to put people off of feminism. That way the business owners can just pay the cheaper troll farms instead of paying the women who work for them what they earn.

It's the same tactics they've used to put people off of unions for decades..

[Ariesman81]

You're in the right place.

The question arises though... how does one go about weeding out undesirable partners? We all know submissive women like dominant men and vice versa. Should a woman who wants to be submissive try and dominate a man to see how he reacts? Or should she be submissive and a dominant man will find her? Same goes for men as well.

[Anonymous]

I see MRA as the same thing as feminism. Both sometimes make good points, but most of it is just whining about nothing.

[Asker]

100%. I've been conservative christian since I was 15-16; I remember in 2019 or 2020 seeing the MRAs (or what they used to be called, Incels) rising up, and I shook my head. I knew exactly where it was going and I was correct.

[Astarlessnightsky]

Basically both are fighting for equallity... So if you don't agree with equality whats does it say about you? take this however you want.