When you see a homeless man on the street, do you assume he put himself in that situation?

[Chthou95]

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I asked this question because of the just world fallacy

[nolabels]

No, I don't, at all.

If one thinks about it, that's an extremely complicated judgement to make about someone.
I'm certainly not qualified to do so, just as I would hope that others would not judge me.

I'm okay for now, but homelessness could happen at any time, for a variety of reasons, observable as well as potentially unseen at this time.
Will the actions of my life be what may put me there, as hard as I've attempted to prepare my life to be "okay"?
Time will tell.
Are the results of my choices and my actions entirely my fault, or even my fault at all?
That's highly debatable, yet it would have been me who made those choices in the first place.

It's a complicated subject.

Cheers to you.

[exitseven]

Yes, there are plenty of jobs around but there are just some people that can't t work a 8 to 5 job

[kylee2437]

No but I don’t give away my hard earned money. I do believe someone trying to better themselves wouldn’t be spending their time begging for money. And there’s been times where homeless people flat out took advantage. I had a guy at a dollar tree make sure someone was in line next to him in hopes of that person feeling bad enough to pay for his stuff and he didn’t even say thank you afterwards to the person that did pay it forward.

[Chthou95]

Okay but that's not every homeless person. A homeless person can be homeless due to mental health issues, they're veterans who get screwed over by the very government they fought for. A homeless person can be homeless for any reason

[kylee2437]

@Chtou95 right but that still doesn’t invalidate what I said. The money I make is hard earned for me, and if I give it away (which I typically don’t) is because I wanted to. Homeless people are often rude and spend their time living off of everyone else because they think it’s easier than applying themselves

[Chthou95]

I didn't say that you had to help or give them money. But we try to rationalize why people are in their situations and then once we do, it's justified and that person gets what they deserve

[kylee2437]

@Chtou95 I honestly don’t try to rationalize anything because at the end of the day, I will never know the real truth. Bad people on the streets will openly lie about their situation because they know that it’s difficult for someone to feel bad when they paint that they are a bad person.

[Chthou95]

a lot of people do. When you see a succesful man with money, you assume he worked hard but for all you know he did illegal stuff and got rich doing shady stuff. When you see a guy in a relationship, you assume he worked hard and made improvements to get a girlfriend but for you you know he's probably really lazy and just got lucky

[kylee2437]

@Chtoug95 not me because I’ve seen it all. I know people that have gotten rich from bad, and I also know people that are quite lazy in their relationships. Being less naive stops people don’t trying to assume. I just don’t assume anymore and keep my hard earned money because I know I deserve my hard earned money the most. And I will treat my family also because family is family. That’s all.

[Chthou95]

Alright

[Abbycado]

Nope. It doesn’t necessarily mean self inflicted.

[Chthou95]

Then why with incels, do people assume they put themselves in their unfortunate situations?

[Abbycado]

What has one have to do with the other? Not even the same thing.

[Chthou95]

It's the logic im challenging. With one, it's not their fault because anything couldve happened to them. With the other, it's their fault and they get what they deserve

[Abbycado]

Well yeah. Here is an accepted definition for incel:

“Incel is a term associated with an online subculture of people who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one, and blame, objectify and denigrate women and girls as a result. The movement is strongly linked to misogyny”

Do you see the part that says DEFINE THEMSELVES? That is ones own doing. They aren’t forced to define themselves like that. Homeless are. They are, homeless.

[Chthou95]

Defining yourself as incel doesn't mean they're a bad person and it doesn't mean that a guy who labels himself as incel is blaming women. These are just men who can't get women or sex for whatever reason ane we really don't know why they can't attract women but we're quick to assume things about them

[Abbycado]

And how is that self inflicted? I’m guessing you identify as one and therefore this is a pointless discussion. Why ask questions when you’ve made your mind up?

A homeless person can’t just go “oh, there is a home. This is mine now.”

Incels can choose to try and just blame women. Post muted. There is clearly no real discussion going to happen.

[Abbycado]

Because you think you’re owed a woman does not mean it is self inflicted if you don’t get one. You are owed no more than any other human.

You work for what you get, not bitch and blame.

[Chthou95]

I asked it because it challenges logic based around the just world fallacy. Wether i was one of not doesn't matter. And where did i mention anything about being owed? You're adding your own stuff when i didn't say men are owed anything. The just world fallacy is something a lot of people apply to the world

[Kelly6]

@Chthou95 its 50/50 chance

[Chthou95]

That's fair

[Agape93]

Nope

[Chthou95]

Why?

[Chthou95]

They're lazy people who don't want to put in work and expect handouts. Serves them right for being homeless

[Agape93]

Studies suggest most fell on hard financial times, lost a job and such.

[Chthou95]

They just didn't work hard enough. Serves them right.

[Agape93]

Whatever you say bruh

[Chthou95]

You don't see what im doing here right

[Agape93]

Evidently not

[Chthou95]

How could i possibly know why they're homeless or think they deserve it

[Agape93]

No idea. Some people did like you did, and assume

[Chthou95]

I was making a point with that. You don't know why someone is homeless and nor do you know if they caused their own doing right?

[Agape93]

Correct

[Chthou95]

Why can't you say the same thing with incels

[Agape93]

I don't generalize them though. Some have trouble getting laid for whatever reason, some don't put in the effort to be appealing, and some are just straight up hostile. All have options to get laid with a consenting, they just don't do it.

[Chthou95]

Is getting laid a guarantee in life for everyone?

[Chthou95]

Some of them could just get really unlucky and find anyone that wants to sleep with them

[Agape93]

Nope, because nobody is entitled. But everyone has the chance. If there's a single crackhead around willing to fuck for 50 bucks, that's a valid option. If you have any chance and refuse it, you have no right to complain. If I'm starving and the only thing sound is a rotting liver, I'm eating that liver. If I'm feeling numb and dead inside like I used to, and the one giving me attention is some dipshit in a bar, guess what? I'd be going to fuck him just to feel something. I have no pity for them, especially not the hateful shit kickers among them.

[Chthou95]

You're making the argument that love and relationships are guranteed for everyone which simply isn't true. Plenty of people who died who never experienced love or intimacy and for a lot of then it wasn't for lack of trying. Some people just get unlucky. That's life. People apply the just world fallacy way too much in life. There is no cosmic justic that grants or punished based on behavior or actions. Good people can fail and bad people can succeed. The only guranteee in life that's going to happen to everyone is death.

[Agape93]

I literally just said nobody is guaranteed it. Pay attention.

[Chthou95]

But you contradicted yourself by saying "But everyone has a chance"

[12karen]

Nope

[Chthou95]

What about with incels? Do they bring about their own misfortune?

[zombiewoof]

Some actually do