How do you feel about Utahism?

[Anonymous]

How do you feel about Utahism?

Probably should read the page on this idea:
https://www.utahism.org/

Its not about Utah but rather an observation made about the high functionality of the state because it's population is more unified geographically, culturally, and economically.

The general proposal is that state borders should be redrawn to create States that are mostly similarly functional.


I personally like the idea's goal but don't think the proposed means will evade political corruption at the federal level, and thus the powers needed would be far more harmful than good.

[Gorion]

I think it’s fundamentally unjust to force a people to remain in union with another without any means for separation within the boundaries of a federal system. By this I mean should a state seek to divide, then ought to possess the right to do so, more specifically only those who would be changing their political identification (which state they are in or seeking to separate from) under the proposed changes should be able to vote on the matter, as at present it for some reason also requires the consent of the rest of the state to leave.

Now this isn’t a neo-confederate argument, as in that circumstance individuals who were by all rights citizens were kept from participating in the political process, and similar to the situation of people seeking to leave their state, forced to remain in the bonds of a power they did not wish to remain under.

Simply put, if it were a popular vote decision by the local populations of the counties, it would be of less matter than if the status quo remained. I state popular vote since this would help to avoid the issue of corruption by dispersing the actual decision among the general public who could not be easily persuaded to commit to blatant acts of gerrymandering which would effect their personal lives, especially since the gerrymandered portions that could hypothetically be incorporated, would be able to leave and rejoin the other state. The only road block might be that the proposal would need to be initiated likely by a state representative in the legislature which could lead to some issues, but given how serious the matter would be, I think it would be fine generally.

[strateguy632]

'unified geographically, culturally, and economically." Doesn't make sense i mean any city the people are unified geographically,... in same city.

Utah is not famous for any achievement with or without diversity

[Asker]

@strateguy632
If a city is mono-cultural then it is indeed unified although far too small to be self-supporting economically speaking.

The fact that the site seems to overlook that critical detail with the simple 1 million rule and letting federal "experts" decide tells me that their system will be abused by the same federal "experts" for political reasons. Not too different how congress as whole abuses the state border issue.

An independent state is a state that really doesn't require the other states for survival and thus could in fact operate without them. This is the equality in independence is the only Real qualification for self-government and thus deserving of equal representation to protect the same.

This is not true of any city which requires enormous imports of power, food, water, and resources including new people (as city dwellers don't even carry their own weight there) makes them incapable of independence. Their existences depends upon the domestic policy of those around them. Which is why they are NOT equals to them no matter how numerous they are.

[Gorion]

I should state that internally there was a lot of disagreement, and most people really hated the 1 million rule. If I could do it over again as a contributor I would.

[Coletteeee]

wtf is that?

[Asker]

Its an idea to reform states to be more meaningful entities in a federal system. utilizing Utah as an example of the kind of cultural self-sufficiency and homogeneity that a state should be.