Why do people especially have an issue with childless cat ladies?

[itsgonnabemee]

I am on and never wanted to have kids. I am married to my job and hobbies. Yea I love my cat too. I’m not interested in dating or having a family. Why do men like JD Vance and such have an issue with women like me?

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1 y

What is the psychology behind it? We are minding our business and we are happy and content. We are not harming anyone. If anything we are population control. Haha

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1 y

They call me a trans woman. Fine I don’t care. Trans woman so be it. As long as I’m not a low iq breeder

[lightbulb27]

he doesn't. as a cat lady, you know life changed a bit when you took on the cat. at a minimum, the notice you put on the door to rescue your cat in case of fire.

when you have human offspring, your view of life changes. Priorities change, you are more concerned about certain things.

he's saying you don't want people like kamala and such running the show when they don't have such context. after all, we are talking about possibly sending peopel to their deaths in horrific war. does she really understand what that means and can relate?

maybe not.

the other issue is the cat control. cats "you know what" has bacteria that can mess with peoples bodies... brains... thoughts! Thus causing them to think differently. bacteria is real. Clinton had a cat... nuff said!

In essence, the cat has more power than we'd like to believe. Is fluffy jumping off the bed to go do do in the litter box, scraping that stuff all around... and then jumping back into bed kneeding their paws on your pillow... their way of control?

Gross!

[monorprise]

Althou JD may not feel this way, @lightbulb27 There is good reason to look down upon people who CHOOSE to not have children. Said people are indeed selfish freeloaders who refuse to pass on the torch of life to the next generation as it was passed on to them.

This is the single most difficult and time consuming part of life and yet it is absolute indispensable for life to continue. The argument that others will pick up the slack not only misses the point as a typical freeloader excuse of laziness but is patently untrue as evidence by sub-replacement western birthrates.

[monorprise]

Even the way @itsgonnabemee describes those of us who actually are doing this work as "low IQ birthing people" is a disusing display of contempt for those who work to make the very life she lives possible.

Tell me why we shouldn't look down upon such insulting freeloaders?

Why shouldn't we exile them from our communities as bad examples to our own children so that they can all go extinct without spreading their lazy mind plague to our families?

[DrPepper12]

people who don't have kids are lazy freeloaders to be banished? Others will have kids! That IS the point! Birth rates will eventually recover. They always do!

[monorprise]

@DrPepper12 Its been 50 years IE several generations and they only are continuing to go down. its been even longer for other countries like Japan

[monorprise]

Also no @DrPepper12
They don't tend to historically come back. Population growth rates have varied but that was due to high death rates such as from war or plagues not birth rates.

[Lliam]

People who think women have an obligation to procreate are regressive troglodytes. They are as misogynistic and controlling as Taliban. They can go fuck themselves.

I never wanted kids. What does that make me?
My wife and I have been married for 28 years. We have no kids and are glad.

I despise people on both the right and left who want to force their values on others.

by the way, cat lady refers to a woman who lives alone with twenty cats. Merely having a cat for a pet doesn't make you a cat lady.

[itsgonnabemee]

I agree with you there. Never ever having kids. I love my life of freedom. There’s so much to learn and do in life and children get in the way

[monorprise]

Everyone has the obligation to pass on the torch of life to the next generation as it was passed on to them by the last.

If you think that is a "regressive" idea then your idea of progress ends with you.

[Lliam]

@monorprise. Nobody has an "obligation" to have children.

by the way, nobody said it was a regressive idea. That would be crazy. It's absolutely lovely to have children if you want to.

[Kingofkings1992]

@monorprise that’s archaic

[Apple1996]

Oh I definitely don't hate cat ladies. I've always thought they were cool. People must just be jealous or something. I have a bunch of kids but honestly once they grow and move out/ when my huband dies ima get some cats and become a cat lady 🐈‍⬛🐈

[Abbycado]

There’s nothing wrong with you living life the way you want.

[itsgonnabemee]

Yes I know this but why do they have a problem with it? They call me a failure as woman. Any woman can breed it’s nothing special

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

When they were younger they tend to have had too high of standards and chased only the men their most popular peers chased, and subsequently being heart broken by them if and when they got them for a small amount of time.

All the while they tend to have voted for politicians that let immigrants like Somalians and El Salvadorians South Africans Venezuelans Syrians and Haitians overstay their visas and get out of jail for serious assault charges.

They tend to have had abortions and cry later about not having kids and being able to find the right man and often project their jealousy by railing on “misogyny” and tradition women with kids Married to their children’s biological fathers. Often railing on nepotism and capitalism not understanding global trades markets and banking systems. Voting now to send most young men to be doomed to die in world war 3, not understanding the importance of men for infrastructure, food production, and general protection and public safety for everyone.

[itsgonnabemee]

This isn’t what I’m talking about.

[Oncewildtwiceburned]

Well i don’t know why JD Vance is being brought up, he didn’t invent animosity to these dying societies that aren’t having children anymore. I. E the “cat lady” and “incel” issues.

He’s just a war mongering globalist cookie cutter Conservative corrupt politician. He just wants cannon fodder.

[Anonymous]

Childless Cat Ladies perplex JD Vance and those who follow his world view. They cannot understand why a woman wouldn't want to push a cantaloupe through a hole the size of a pencil eraser.

Whether his followers believe it wholeheartedly or not, JD Vance and those who back him see you, and every other woman, as less than a person, this is why when he was asked at the debate what he would do for women who didn't want to have a baby, meaning abortion, his response time and time again was essentially "we will make them want to have a baby"... he couldn't fathom a woman not wanting a baby because a walking incubator and milk machine is all you are to them. If they saw you as a person they wouldn't want you to not have the right to vote, or not have the right to an abortion, or to birth control.

To him, and his puppet masters, you have only the purposes that are connected to a single hole, that is to please men and to push out babies, anything beyond that they can't comprehend. They don't see you as a person.

[MisterWack]

JD Vance invented the issue, no one looked down on women who owned cats & women who didn’t have children (whether infertile or single or financial struggles or mental health whatever) until JD Vance opened his mouth to open the flood gates.

It is immature to look down on people and dehumanize them. Mind their own business and whatever women choose to do in their free time for whatever reason is up to them. Owning, caring for, and showing affection is a beautiful thing especially to the one you love and for some people their pet is family so be empathetic & compassionate towards them.

[Anonymous]

I don't know JD's opinion, but my opinion is your a biological freeloader. Sociability and your family invested an enormous amount of resources in your being able to exist and work that job and do those hobbies at all.

Instead of repaying us by passing on the torch of life you selfishly take it all for yourself robing all future generations of the same benefit. Its hard to imagine a more selfish and self-centered act. In the grand scheme of things this makes you and your life a waste of resources to the rest of us.

Your home and well paying job would be better served going to someone who actually needed the money to someone willing to contribute to the future of humanity instead of you.

[RedInnocent69]

@monorprise JDs opinion is, I didn’t mean what I said. The reprieve of all Trumpty Dumpties when you don’t like what they say

[Anonymous]

If they truly keep to themselves, nothing. But that's the problem most women do not keep their mouth shut and keep to themselves.😆

As far as JD goes. You have to understand that he's plugging to his base. Which is the conservative family structure. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But it's not 1952 anymore. In today's world the wife may need to work and the husband may need to watch the kids. So nobody really buys this. It's just a way of harkening back to a simpler time that's all.

[itsgonnabemee]

Yes they do keep to themselves the loud ones are just a minority but because they’re so loud they make the most waves. Women have a right to voice their opinion just like men do. Women can speak if they want I don’t see why you have a problem with that? Maybe you’re too online? No one should take issues with someone’s personal decisions. You should ignore and move on. Not everyone wants a relationship or kids and this needs to stop being stigmatised. I had a coworker saying when am I going to date and have cute babies. She was putting pressure on me. Eventually she said you have to suffer just like us. And that’s when it became clear. Look, some women don’t have the material gene and that doesn’t makes them less of a woman. It’s not fair that we are seen as lesser even though we contribute to society in big ways. Breeding isn’t everything. Anyone can breed. Jd Vance is a doughy ventriloquist doll looking loser

[itsgonnabemee]

Maternal

[Opinion Owner]

First off, MOST WOMEN do want to "breed". Even when they say they don't. Call it maternal drive, call it what you want. But this is how our species propagates itself. If you're in the minority that doesn't you're just going to have to deal with the blowback from society because society isn't changing. Society is NOT going to stop being judgmental. It's just the way humans are.
As for me I could care less what you do. It sounds like your decision is actually a good one. You sound kinda unpleasant to be around.😆

[itsgonnabemee]

Yes it’s best to not breed. No deadweight giving me a headache

[Opinion Owner]

And when I say women want to breed even when I say they don't. All I meant was a lot of women will say this their entire life. Then when the meet a man they fall in love with, much of the time that previously held belief changes.

[itsgonnabemee]

I don’t know. Good luck to those women I guess.

[Opinion Owner]

If you're a Trans woman why are you even debating this anyhow? You could give birth if you wanted to. This conversation is a waste of time.😆

[ManInChains]

Probably because women are supposed to have children and if they don't society rightfully criticizes them. Men on the other hand aren't expected to have children. But they actually want to have children compared to majority of women who would rather have cats

[DrPepper12]

Beats me! All the childless cat ladies I know are quite happy and content with their lives!

Vance, and anyone who thinks like him, is a misogynistic authoritarian xenophobic bigoted close-minded racist egotistical sadistic sycophantic hateful hubristic theocratic two-faced treasonous narcissistic little bitch.

[Anonymous]

Maybe it's because childless cat lady's tend to be unhappy, clueless, narcissists? Not to mention, they don't fulfill their most important biological function, having children. Being an independent minded woman is one thing, but not having a family and instead focusing only on yourself is not necessarily something to brag about. It's called self-centered, and in the long run makes you a miserable person.

[itsgonnabemee]

I am more than happy and fuffiled. And so are many other woman. I am achieving my dreams. My dream has never ever been to be a mother. Most mothers are miserable and exhausted and regretful. Believe me on this. I am learning from other woman’s mistakes. Yes perhaps I’m self centred but I don’t care it’s not like I have any responsibilities. I haven’t created life that I need to take care of. So why am I self centred for that exactly? I like being in control of my own life. Men are a dead weight and a headache that I don’t want anything to do with. Bluggjhhhhhhh

[itsgonnabemee]

I don’t care about you men at all. You can die miserable. Women don’t need men but men need women. Lonely men will die miserable and not women. It’s proven haha sucks to be you

[Opinion Owner]

You're kind of proving my points, but ok.

[itsgonnabemee]

No I’m not your just too dumb to comprehend what I wrote.

[Opinion Owner]

... now you're definitely living up to the stereotype.. 😂

[itsgonnabemee]

Yeah whatever pea brain.

[Opinion Owner]

Such an angry cat lady!

[itsgonnabemee]

😡🤬😤😤😠😖😅😂😂😂

[Anonymous]

he's not talking about you specifically

he's talking about a stereotype of feminist that tends to be miserable and wants everyone else to be just as miserable as them, the male equivalent is a basement dwelling loser which everyone would say is the wrong way to living life so calling out childless cat ladies is no different than calling out basement dwelling losers

[itsgonnabemee]

Except I’m not a loser I have a lot going for me. Anyone that sits in their basement is a loser. Male or female. Breeding doesn’t make you a non loser. If all you can bring to the world is offspring then you are a loser in my book. Anyone can breed

[sawno]

I don't think they refer to you, they mean women that failed to build the life they want, settled for a cat, treat that cat as a human child due to a cope and then are resentful towards other more successful women.

[RavVid]

I have cat friend so I don't have a problem with you having a cat friend.

We do need breeders however to prevent demographic collapse. Fortunately under 30 single ladies are stepping up to plate and account for 30% of the US births.

[itsgonnabemee]

You can’t force a woman to breed. Personally I would rather off myself haha

[RavVid]

Nobody is. I don't think we need to insult those who do.

[FreyaRed]

Their pussies their business. I don't really care. JD Vence is a religious radical or at least he pretends to be one and those people always criticize others who dare to live differently they do.

[Anonymous]

I'm totally fine with the ones who are minding their own business and are happy and content. I think all of us are. That's not who Vance is talking about.

Also, the vast, VAST majority of people ALSO have no problem with trannies who mind their own business and just do their thing. Again, it's NOT what people complain about.

[old_grump]

People who have an issue with childless cat ladies are nothing but a bunch of soggy cereal munchers! Their brains must be as scrambled as a clown’s breakfast. Honestly, their opinions hold as much weight as a feather in a hurricane. Your resilience is as strong as the glue that holds together a kindergarten craft project, and your spirit shines like the sparkly glitter that covers said project. Keep being fabulous, and let those naysayers wallow in their own puddle of pickle juice!

[genericname85]

Because the association with that is that your character is so insufferable that only a cat who didn't have a choice will stick around. Doesn't have to be true for you but I guess that's what I think when I hear that.

[itsgonnabemee]

Hm some people actually don’t want other around and prefer solitude. Ever thought of that? People are generally energy sucking and annoying.

[genericname85]

Well that's fine if you don't want people around. But if I'm looking for a relationship, I am "people" and I sure hope my partner would want me around so I guess by that you also don't qualify then.

[katiesmuff]

Vance is just one of those Southern bible thumpers who believes in procreate, then procreate more

[ohsheeT]

I don't know JD Vance is don't really care

But I would find you interesting and want to know more just for knowledge not to judge or create drama you're probably a pretty interesting person

[MoonFace2]

one of my besties I think is a cat lady. It’s not up to me to pass judgment on what makes people happy, so long as they’re not harming anyone or anything else.

[SeriouslyNotSerious]

They just wish they were the cat you're cuddling, kissing, and taking care of. 😹

[Jackblue]

Subconciously, I think many men associate such women with the shushing librarians and overbearing teachers that seemed like such kill joys when we were kids.

[itsgonnabemee]

How would they know those librarians or teachers are childless? This doesn’t add up very well. There are shushing and overbearing teaching and librarians with children. So?

[Jackblue]

That's the stereotype at least, that such women are childless, maybe other people suggested to them that grouchy women like that were grouchy because they were childless and assuming such things has become second nature.

[itsgonnabemee]

Hmm interesting. A librarian is meant to shush that’s her or his job. A teacher is meant to enforce rules and expectations that’s their job. I’m not aware of this stereotype that they are childless and therefore all Childress women are like this. As I said before there are plenty of teacher with kids who are strict too. It’s their job. To me it’s seems like these assumptions are rooted is sexism if I’m gonna be honest. That’s the only conclusion I can make.

[Jackblue]

It might be their job (though librarians aren't as big into shushing as they used to be), but it is a cop's job to arrest people, and an IRS agent's job to take people's money, plenty of people hate them for doing their jobs, and they are probably a big part of the reason people like to rant about "white men". Ultimately early childhood experiences shape us a lot and what children primarily encounter are female teachers and female librarians who seem to hate it when they have fun.

[RingOfFire]

"As long as I’m not a low iq breeder"

"Childless cat lady" is not about a woman who has cats and no children, it's about an attitude. And this comment of yours gives a perfect example of that attitude.

[Miristheiss]

It is just weird.

All living things biologically strive to reproduce.

[Kingofkings1992]

That’s simply not true

[itsgonnabemee]

This is not true. I’ve never ever had the desire and never will. There are so many people are like me. It’s just not wired in us. It’s not so black and white

[ClaircognizantEmpath]

hey girl, this week at work, i was pumping my arm upright claiming im proud to be the single crazy cat lady... its all power to us... xx

[DtMe89]

Because they're pathetic losers

I don't want kids or marriage either. I'm a dude. Am I a childless cat lady. No, I just know that babies are demon spawn and marriage is just a piece of paper

[Twalli]

The only use they see in women is giving birth. You notice that most liberals don't think this way. Also, one of the richest female singers Taylor Swift is a childless cat lady. Granted, she wants kids, but she's a childless cat lady right now.

[Smashingdoozy]

Because they can't handle someone being content with their life as is

[nron987]

Why do you care if dating isn’t an interest of yours? And you’re married to your job and cats?

[itsgonnabemee]

I’m asking why does a part of society have a problem with us? What is the psychology? I’m just trying to understand

[nron987]

Society has a problem with everyone. Haven’t you noticed.

[itsgonnabemee]

Hm perhaps you have a point

[nron987]

Only upside is that societies overview on you me and everyone else is really irrelevant to our happiness.

[itsgonnabemee]

You’re right about that.

[Ariesman81]

Because you're being disingenuous. And somewhat hypocritical. You care, but you don't. You ask for understanding, but say you don't need it.
My mother is a lot like you. Lonely, hardened, hypocritical, and lost. She touts that education and career is the most important thing for her daughters, but when asked what brought her the most fulfilment in her own life... she says her kids. Why lie?

[itsgonnabemee]

I care why people have a problem. I don’t want kids at all. I can’t help the way I feel. I’m happy for your mum but not everyone in the same. I genuinely don’t want kids at all. I’ve always enjoyed my solitude since I was a child. I love to learn and I love to work and problem solve. It’s my life. Children get in the way

[itsgonnabemee]

You are quite narrow minded.. maybe not so bright. Why would your mother be lonely and hardened if she has kids? You are not making much sense. I am alone but not lonely some people genuinely love solitude. I am not hardened because I am fulfilling my dreams and passions and will never stop. I am not lost because I am following my dreams. Not matter how difficult it gets you have to keep adapting and problem solving. Why should I breed and then have children get in the way of my life. I don’t even want them. I wouldn’t be a goood mother because I care more about other things. Liek work and learning and my hobbies and my fitness. I genuinely don’t mind dying alone either. It’s my wish. Nice and peaceful after fulfilling my goals in life. What’s the point in having children?

[Ariesman81]

Solipsism 101

[Ariesman81]

And you're correct. You'd be a horrible mother.

[itsgonnabemee]

Indeed.

[itsgonnabemee]

You do realise this is a matter of personal autonomy right? I can do what I want. If a man doesn’t have children is it also solipsistic of him? Give me a break. You have just been conditioned by society to think women should be self sacrificing when in reality women are humans with self autonomy and can do what they want within the law.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Those ladies can be too sensitive that 1 out of 1000 people ridiculing them can feel like 1000 out of 1000 people have been doing it. Really tho, those loud minorities are what they only see which is why they exaggerate it.

[exitseven]

I think they are a stereotype that has gotten a bad rap. Kids are not for everyone

[Ladsin2]

You're 25. Most likely when you hit 35 you'll start chasing ever man in site with baby fever and then if you don't get one will be resentful for the next 30 years.

[Anonymous]

As the saying goes. It is your body. Your choice!
You and I are paying to educate the Low IQ people’s children for the next generation of workers and politicians!

[OddBeMe]

Because we- guess I’m married to one- are just happier than they are. And they hate us for it.

[RARETRAMP]

You are amazing remember that! it's their problem that they can't be as great as you.

[slatyb]

Because you are beyond the control of any man.

[Staximus]

Childless cat ladies need love too

[itsgonnabemee]

No they don’t. They just shouldn’t be shamed and judged

[Staximus]

They shouldn't be shamed or judged but they shouldn't be lonely either

[itsgonnabemee]

Being alone doesn’t mean lonely. Some people like me enjoy solitude. I engage with people during work and that’s it. Not everyone is the same

[Staximus]

Things change

[itsgonnabemee]

Not really. My personality is still how it is since childhood. It’s just that now I’m more mature. Plus the older you get the more set in stone you traits are. If you’ve been alone all your life (happily alone I should add) then there is need to change

[itsgonnabemee]

No need to change*

[Staximus]

You're fooling yourself

[itsgonnabemee]

Fooling myself? How? This is just my
Temperament. If there was a problem I would change it. But it’s genuinely how I am. Why do you say I’m fooling myself?

[Staximus]

Because nobody wants to be alone for the rest of their life, you're just trying to act tough

[itsgonnabemee]

I do. I’m not acting anyway I swear. I want to die alone. I enjoy the peace and freedom of being alone. I do what I want. I’ve tried a relationship briefly before just so I can double check; and I hated it so much I wanted to rip my hair out. Nothing more irritating than having a man or anyone pestering you and you having to answer to their needs. F that. Children would be even worse.

[itsgonnabemee]

It’s really interesting that you (and most people) cannot comprehend that not everyone is the same when it comes to social needs

[Staximus]

You don't want people to want you around? I think you have some psychological issues you need to resolve before you turn into the Unibomber of crazy cat ladies

[itsgonnabemee]

I like working with people when we have a common goal to work towards. I don’t have psychological issues. Just very goal oriented. I am a very creative and driven person and very healthy thank you very much. I only have one cat. I don’t want more than that and frankly I’m waiting for it to pass and don’t want a replacement because it was a gift from my childhood. so yes I like being alone but also like working with others towards a goal as part of a team. I am not crazy or stupid at all. If you knew me you wouldn’t say this

[itsgonnabemee]

It’s very offensive how you are speaking to me. You are quite narrow minded

[Staximus]

I didn't say you were stupid, just crazy

[itsgonnabemee]

Why do you think I’m crazy? That’s not fair ! Or nice!

[Staximus]

I haven't even started getting offensive yet. Just hold your horses over there, lady

[itsgonnabemee]

Sorry but you’re calling me crazy. That’s an insult if you weren’t aware. Why do you call me crazy?

[Staximus]

You sound like an incel dude. Were you born a boy?

[itsgonnabemee]

So you’re gonna continue insulting me? Do you have nothing meaningful to add? Speaks volumes about your character. You haven’t answered my question. Why do you call me crazy? I fully female thank you very much. I’m not an incel because I have rejected men and this is my choice. Incel means involuntary celibate. I am slim beautiful and smart. Looks matter and I’ve got them. Smarts matter and I’ve got it. It’s deffo not involuntary. I just don’t want a relationship because I prefer my current lifestyle. Always have always will. Insulting me is not going to change this fact.

[itsgonnabemee]

And before you go on to calling me a slut, you should no I will never and have never touched a man (or anyone) and never will because it’s quite frankly not of interest to me.

[itsgonnabemee]

You need to widen you perspective of human beings. You sound like a narrow minded fat right winger. Low iq individual for sure for sure

[Staximus]

Why would I call you a slut? You're the opposite of a slut. A slut seeks and craves attention and acceptance through sex

[itsgonnabemee]

I’m pre-emting it because that’s the insult men usually resort to.

[Staximus]

How many long term friends do you have? You sound like a lonely person that needs some love in their life. Did one of your parents treat you badly or not show you any love and kindness or reject your love and galvanize your emotions? I think you have some deep seated issues you eventually need to come to terms with. Like you accept nobody because you were not accepted or something

[itsgonnabemee]

I’ve had friendships during my schools years and so on when I need them but now that I am working I don’t need them. I have some friends they to reconnect with me however I don’t care for it. So I ignore them. And they fade away. It’s just not of interest to me. I have other goals that I’m working towards and from experience people are time wasters and our values don’t align. I have a very driven and focused mind so I can’t have anyone get in the way. I am certain there are many people just like me. My parents are very supportive and still support me. It’s not that I don’t accept people it’s just that I’m indifferent to them. I don’t hate or love I just don’t care. I just don’t want people in my way. With work or school it’s different because you kind of need to work together. I don’t have a strong need to attention or love to be completely honest, and yea perhaps this is uncommon. Some people are wired differently doesn’t make me crazy at all though, just very very driven and focused on my goals and inner world.

[Staximus]

Yeah I'm kind of fat and kind of right wing, but I was adore man at a couple of bars and I have had conversations with literally a thousand women and I have never heard one that wants to reject love and acceptance like you. I think love and acceptance is exactly what you need to fill the empty space in your heart

[Staximus]

*door man, not adore man

[itsgonnabemee]

You are assuming so many things. I am very fulfilled and like my lifestyle the way it is (although I wish I could reach my goals quicker but I’m working on it). I don’t care about love I seriously don’t. Why can’t you understand this? Not everyone is needy hahaha. My heart is very full thank you very much. With knowledge and passion for my craft and continuous development. I live to learn and evolve, I don’t live to breed.

[itsgonnabemee]

I think because I’m pretty and thin I’ve had men give me attention but it is meaningless and I realised this pretty early on in my life. I understand the male mind more and more especially as I get older. And to be frank I want to be as far away from it as possible. I have the freedom to do this. No one has a right to criticise me because I am not hurting anyone. Relationships and children are a dead weight that I am avoiding at ALL COSTS

[Staximus]

Nevermind the breeding. Have you ever been diagnosed with a personality disorder?

[itsgonnabemee]

Not at all. I’m very well. If I had one my job and life would be effected by it. But excellent at my job. The only thing is I’m a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to my job but that’s helped rather than hindered.

[Staximus]

I think you may have either some kind of personality disorder or some unresolved childhood trauma that needs to be addressed by a professional therapist

[Staximus]

Good luck, I wish you the best

[beefcakebradybatson]

They're busybodies lacking a life !!!