Why does the right prefer punishment?

[msc545]

Research shows that imposing punishment for drug use and addiction doesn't work, yet the Right prefers jail, prison, and fines to doing things that work, like rewarding people for negative drug tests. Why?

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/10/05/nx-s1-5140166/meth-cocaine-addiction-treatment-contingency-management

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[NaultD]

So you know how the weird Christians are more abused about "not going to hell" then actually doing anything Christian and going to heaven. Actively waiting for rapture.

As I say that it creates a new way of looking at fredrick neichze God is dead quote.

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

Basically abandon all the humanity and good the good book has to offer even in an anthropology way to a new ethereal plane of existing.

“A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.” -Greek Proverb

Is this the fundamental difference and gap in our politics today?

[RavVid]

I far prefer my proposal to that of jail or free gift cards.

Which is for the gov't to give free drugs to registered drug addicts. Give them a short, happy life I say.

This is bound to work because who is going to pay for drugs when they can get them for free and of known standard high quality?

Yes they will have a short life because drugs aren't good for longevity but they will be happy while they are alive. Drug dealers will starve because they lose their customer base.

Gov'ts are really good at destroying industries so we should leverage that capability to destroy the drug industry.

[msc545]

This is a decent ide. The British do this with heroin addicts and it works.

[RavVid]

I didn't know that the British were doing that. Good news. It would take away a lot of the social ills that follow. Like street prostitution and house breaking.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Britain's incarceration rate mirrors America's. Bad example, boyo !!!

[exitseven]

@msc545. How do the addicts afford to pay for drugs? Does the government get tax revenue by spreading this misery throughout the country

[purplepoppy]

Punishment adds to the problem. People turn to drugs to lessen the mental stain of their shitty existence. If you Punishment them they take more drugs to block out the Punishment. Only thing that works is medical intervention and counselling to change their mindset. You won't save every addict but you'll save a lot more than you will through Punishment.

[SweetPi]

Both don't work you have to solve why they use. Something neither side wants to.

Might be medical trauma or just bored hating the world. Which is why religion usually solves Thier issues.

Often Christian faith cause it loves every one and forgives

[msc545]

Contingency management absolutely DOES work - read the research instead of deciding that you are somehow an expert.

[DrPepper12]

I'm sure their affinity for punishment has NOTHING to do with the fact that private prisons are frequently located in very rural areas and support the local economy because they are contractually guaranteed a minimum number of inmates to guarantee profitability.

I'm just as positive it has NOTHING to do with the fact that conservatives have a much higher attuned "fight fight or freeze" behavioral response to perceived threats.

Nah. Couldn't be either of those. Prison for profit? That's so twisted in humane I'm sure it doesn't even exist!

And Lord knows we can't trust the science of those coastal elites when they do their "research" using our taxpayer dollars when could just tell them the results using this YouTube channel!!

[beefcakebradybatson]

"ConservaSWINE" want law and order for poor minorities and leniency for wealthy white folk !!!

[msc545]

@beefcakebradybatson Actually, immunity for wealthy white folks.

[beefcakebradybatson]

You're right, msc545 !!!

[jshm2]

They don't do it for the "care". They do it for the crimes done to fuel that addiction.

I've met plenty of professionals who are addicts. But they don't commit crimes to feed their habits.

[msc545]

Your point is?

[AviatorTom]

It comes down to responsibility. If there is no, or minimal, punishment for breaking the law, the individuals will continue to break it, making the law useless and its enforcement impossible.

Conservatives generally believe in the law, and following it, while Liberals generally think it's okay to sometimes break the law, especially if you're not going to get caught.

[msc545]

The research indicates that punishment simply does not work. Instead, it just makes people even angrier, and it traumatizes the people who administer it.

[AviatorTom]

@msc545 Would you please share the source of "The research".

[msc545]

www.npr.org/.../meth-cocaine-addiction-treatment-contingency-management

[AviatorTom]

@msc545 That NPR article describes the benefits of treatment, but I didn't see where it said that punishment doesn't work.

[msc545]

@AviatorTom You cannot punish the people you are treating. It is one or the other. I realize the lack of punishment frustrates your need for vengeance, but you cannot have both a lack of recividism AND vengeance. Pick one.

[Drelikee]

Not always. And the term "right" is now commonly thought to refer to anyone who doesn't support the modern far-left supporting democratic party. Which isn't true at all. It's just that some people are voting Republican in certain elections to oppose a lot of these "woke" issues. It's not a right-wing movement but more of a common sense movement.

[Snakeyes7]

They once did in the 80s but now? I think most would compromise on punishing the dealers and sending the addicts to rehab instead of prison unless the addicts did an actual crime.

[msc545]

No. The punishment is the point, after all.

[Snakeyes7]

What's the point of throwing the addicts in prison? Why not save room for the violent criminals?

[msc545]

The point is that it hurts and the right enjoys inflicting pain.

[Snakeyes7]

Any political party seeking power loves inflicting pain? Why do you think the kids who put tire tracks on a rainbow mural got felony charges?

[msc545]

Yes - the political party has lots of followers who also enjoy inflicting pain.

What kids?

[Snakeyes7]

www.washingtontimes.com/.../

[msc545]

And?

[Snakeyes7]

Our country let's people get away with burning American flags in protest but this somehow crosses the line? This looks like inflicting pain to me.

[Bricealan]

We are losing the War on Drugs, but also losing the war on Rape and Murder... but we aren't going to 'legalize rape and murder, and recidivism is high for just about every crime

[msc545]

So maybe we should do things that work in response to this?

[WindAtMyBack]

Where do you get the idea that the right prefers punishment?

[msc545]

@WindAtMyBack I read what they write and listen to what they say.

[WindAtMyBack]

In other words, you have no idea.

[msc545]

That is an unwarranted conclusion. If I ignore what they communicate, how am I supposed to know of their preferences?

[Staximus]

Dude, they stopped arresting people for possession of hard drugs under a certain amount here and the number of homeless junkies and tweakers is skyrocketing

[msc545]

Many people use drugs in order to feel normal. Contemplate that and what it means.

[exitseven]

Lock them up so they don't break into my house or rob me. Drug addiction is usually a one way trip. Eventually they OD or die in a drug deal gone bad. In the meantime they break into dozens of homes, rip people off, crash their cars and other mayhem on the public

[msc545]

Decriminalize drugs and you will see both prices and crimes crash. Keep insisting on punishment and keep paying for it. Your choice.

[exitseven]

Oregon tried that and it is a disaster. I think they want to recriminalize it.

[msc545]

Do you have a link for that? Or again is this just your opinion?

[exitseven]

www.washingtonpost.com/.../

[msc545]

The program ended due to money issues - it didn't fail.

[exitseven]

It turned the whole state into junkies. It was a total fail

[msc545]

Prove that, please.

[msc545]

sure. Then Learn to live with recidivism and don't complain about being robbed repeatedly.

[exitseven]

Two years ago I bought a couple of guns for protection. I plan on getting another one.

[msc545]

Evidence?

[msc545]

How many guns can you shoot at the same time?

[exitseven]

I have a tactical shotgun and a six shooter. I am looking as buying a semi auto rifle over the summer.

[msc545]

Don't forget the hand grenades and the machine gun.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Rightists are authoritarians who believe beating people into submitting to their law and order wishes creates a perfect society.

[OddBeMe]

They have a weird dehumanizing itch to anything they hate.

[Sevenpointfive]

it could be like peyronies disease? girls get it too fyi

[noohair]

Is accountability punishment? I am in recovery. I had to accept that I had a problem.

[msc545]

Congratulations. I don't think that accountability is punishment.

[JesseP1nk]

Its because the right want to make their life so fucking horrible so when they get out of prison they never want to go back and start the life right side of the law.

[Anonymous]

No one should be punished for anything.

[msc545]

That is probably true, but some people have trouble satiating their need to cause pain.

[Anonymous]

Because rewarding people for negative drug tests creates an ENORMOUS moral hazard problem.

[msc545]

In what way?

[Djaay]

Ur right it doesn't work bc only the person themselfs must do the changing. No consequences , that person won't change. See it yet?

[HighValue]

Punishment works when it is severe enough. Death penalty for proven drug dealers works.

[msc545]

Punishment does not work. Read the research.

[Danny_dan92]

Research shows that gun laws doesn’t stop violence yet democrats continue to push gun legislation

[msc545]

What research shows that? Link it if you can.

[Danny_dan92]

I don’t have to provide a link.

Go visit Chicago

[msc545]

So you have no "research", correct? Just an unsupported opinion, right?

[Danny_dan92]

Go to Chicago

[Danny_dan92]

But since you are ignorant, never heard of what that city is like based on your political leanings… here you go

[Danny_dan92]

www.neighborhoodscout.com/il/chicago/crime.amp

[msc545]

You have nothing. What you posted is not research. Do you even know what research is?

[Anonymous]

It's a scale that needs to be central

Use and addiction shouldn't be punished

Major supply should be the death penalty

[msc545]

We don't kill people for selling drugs.

[Twalli]

It's easier to punish than to rehabilitate.

[msc545]

That is true.

[Twalli]

It's also cheaper, so they chose the cheapest and easiest way to enforce law.

[msc545]

Not true. Taking into account legal fees, it costs more to execute someone than to keep them in prison.

[Twalli]

If we go for captial punishment, sure, but those people are probably irredeemable.

[msc545]

Not necessarily. Just because somebody has been sentenced to death does not mean they are guilty of anything. It may mean that they were charged unfairly or falsely. It happens.

[RedInnocent69]

It’s something they understand

[msc545]

It is something you want to do to satisfy your sadistic need for vengeance.

[RedInnocent69]

I’ve made peace with my sadistic need for vengeance