1 in 8 Students in NYC are homeless. Is it appropriate / fair to evaluate teachers for firing (using state test scores) knowing this fact?

[DrPepper12]

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1:8 homeless

The corollary of this question is:

What data, both subjective and objective, SHOULD inform decisions whether to fire or put on probation those teachers who don't meet targets or are judged poorly by administrators / Board of Ed?

Please don't turn this into a teacher union thing, wokeness, book bannings, trans bathrooms or any other cultural war bullshit.

The question is intended to elicit what criteria should administrators and/or locally elected school boards use to judge?

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FYI: Teachers in NYS are evaluated by the following criteria which is, give or take, pretty common nationwide:

Two to five observations by separate administrators in the course of a school year. For some of those evaluations, the teacher is given no notice and for the others they are given a vague "window" (days or weeks) when the administrator / evaluator might show up.

Student performance on state tests or local examinations administered to all students.

[FoxnEagle]

Are you implying that homeless students are dragging down their teachers test scores and consequently getting them fired?

If that's playing such a big impact on scores, then you'd see an average drop in score for most teachers compared to other states; the bar for NYC would move down, and you'd still be judged based on that bar.

[DrPepper12]

I added more. Never meant to post like this. Sorry!

[DrPepper12]

False. Ridiculous in fact.

[FoxnEagle]

What exactly are you trying to ask? Do you just want to ask how we should evaluate teachers?

It's looking like you read some article and are trying to get other peoples opinions on it, but you give a statement with no backing, give no context, don't want political theatre in a political question, and go from the one statement to a question that only correlates to it. What are you trying to get at?

[lightbulb27]

I'm stuck at the first fact 1 of 8 is homeless? I thought nyc gave housing away to homeless, so most had homes. doesn't mean they are secure or they own them. the new migrants are at times, have to reapply and move... which would be a mess.

I gotta undrestand what you are saying first.

[Gwendoline]

Hard to say. If kids are coming from high school lacking a basic level of education then there's little teachers can do. This is why homeschooling is becoming such a popular option because many high schools are failing kids.

[Stevepro68]

Those are two separate questions. Are test score useful for determining effectiveness of teaching given the multitude of variables for effectiveness of all school measures? not just the teacher. I would say in NYC more than other of the biggest city in US. No to many variables. It's a non issue anyways covid killed the city using test scores as a measure for discipline for teachers. That is a non issue

[RavVid]

That is an appalling stat. I am wondering how that can be. It is very hard to learn if emotionally distressed.

[DrPepper12]

Correct. Maslow's hierarchy in action.

[RavVid]

How is it though children are homeless? Are entire families huddled under a bridge but the kiddies are still sent to school each day? I am having difficulty imagining this scenario could be.

[DrPepper12]

Shelters, streets, "pay per day" places, extended family, jails, subways, etc. it's real.

[RavVid]

Oh, I quite believe you though I'd rather not. Maybe 19th century work houses were not such a bad idea I'm starting to think.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Ah yes, Gotham City, which stupid good ol' boy Pres. Gerald R. Ford told to "Get Lost" by opposing a financial bailout to the megalopolis to appease the growing goober infestation in the then-Republican Party.

[AviatorTom]

Yes it's fair... if a teacher is failing to adequately teach the other 7 in 8 students, they deserve to find employment elsewhere.

[Juxtapose]

I bet a lot of kids get raped & horrifically abused but the teachers are still judged for the student's performance. That's the way life goes.

[DrPepper12]

Oh. OK.

[Dongie]

Yet all those illegal aliens are put up in fancy

[Dongie]

Well, it didn't like my fuckin answer!!

[DrPepper12]

Ok but how do we evaluate teachers?

[Staximus]

1 in 8 NYC students are homeless? That sounds like bullshit. Good old NYC, a Democrat utopia

[seeyounexttuesday]

Yes. Teachers love to never be accountable.

[DrPepper12]

I added more. Never meant to post like this. Sorry!

[seeyounexttuesday]

You say you don't want cultural war stuff, but that's kind of the point. Teachers today are too busy indoctrinating students and not enough time teaching them to read. They should also be asking why their US citizen students are homeless but NYC lets illegals have free room and board.

[DrPepper12]

Trust me if I could indoctrinate them I would have them wear deodorant and raise their hand to speak. It's so silly you guys believe this fantasy.

Now, how do we evaluate teachers?

[seeyounexttuesday]

By the performance of their students.

[DrPepper12]

Ok. How?

[seeyounexttuesday]

What % of students are proficient in reading/math/history/science skills at the end of the year.

[DrPepper12]

Who designs the test? Pays the proctors & psychomatricians? Grades them? When given? What about AP? Is it a graduation requirement? Leftback or summer school? Consideration of absenteism? Co taught classes? Reading levels? English as a Second language?

Go for it. Solve these and 100000000 more and you might see the problem

[seeyounexttuesday]

This is so typical of teachers. Nothing but excuses. Meanwhile America’s schools are racing to the bottom.

[DrPepper12]

Find a way to judge it objectively and I'll support it. It's a science and an art.

[seeyounexttuesday]

I just did. Pass the state competency tests.

[Jennz6]

Yes 💯

[DrPepper12]

I added more. Never meant to post like this. Sorry!