Do you think it's fair that in the U. S. if you do one bad thing, suddenly that's the only thing people remember you for?

[KostasKouvalis]

O. J. Simpson, even despite being found "Not Guilty", his career was over and his reputation was tainted forever. He was no longer "O. J. the Touchdown" or "O. J. the Movie Star", he forever became "O. J. the Wife Killer".

Chris Benoit was a legendary wrestler, but after he committed his murder/suicide, the WWE erased him from history, even though they're the ones who messed him up in the head and made him go crazy.

Michael Richards who had his career derailed because of a racist tirade at a comedy show.

And Hitler, if you dare to mention he did some good things too you're a "racist POS"

Now the latest victim is "Deadliest Catch" star Josh Harris. Some stuff came out that he sexually assaulted a 4 year old girl when he was a teenager in the late 90s, and even though he was punished and went to therapy and has a family now, "Discovery Channel" fired him after almost two decades on the show, now they were even talking about editing him out of past episodes, and just pretending he never existed. He is no longer "Phil Harris's Son". He is no longer "Captain Josh Harris". He is now "Josh Harris the Child Molester."

This doesn't seem to happened in other countries. There was a famous French director recently who was mixed up in a MeToo scandal, one actress even killed herself and French people said it doesn't change the fact that he was a great director.

Varg Vikerness burned some churches and killed his bandmate and served 25 years and even made records in prison, and people were buying them, and he still has a large following and fanbase and people remember him for his music.

I even saw a documentary where they showed a guy in India who burned his wife alive, and he was allowed to leave prison to teach children, and parents said they don't care about his crime, because he was a good teacher.

Even with everyday people. You can do so much good, but people will only mention the bad thing you did

[Anonymous]

Hitler was a truly horrible human being. And molesting a 4 year old girl is so bad he deserves to be canceled.

Robbing a grocery store is not so bad, and people could forgive you if you’re sincerely sorry. But all the people you cite have done horrendous things (except Chris Benoit, I don't know enough about his case to judge him).

[KostasKouvalis]

You think Kramer going on a racist rant was such a horrible thing? He didn't even commit any crime.
Chris Benoit killed his wife and kids the night before a big wrestling match. It is now fairly certain that he went crazy due to consistent head trauma that he suffered during matches.

[KostasKouvalis]

The Josh Harris thing is bad, but he was on the show for long despite what he did, so don't you think it's ridiculous to suddenly try to erase him from the show like he was never a cast member.

[Opinion Owner]

I forgot about Kramer. That’s a tough one. One rant is not that bad, but it showed that he had a nasty racist dark side. If he was sincerely sorry and willing to work on his behavior, I’d probably forgive him. And I agree with you about Chris Benoit.

But Hitler tortured and killed at least 6 million people. No amount of sorry can forgive that.

TL;DR: it’s a case by case basis. Some of these people deserve to be canceled for life. Some don’t.

[KostasKouvalis]

I'm not talking about forgiveness, I'm talking about also acknowledging that he did some good things too. Maybe that wasn't the best example.

Celebrities will survive, what about an average person. What are they supposed to do for money?

[Opinion Owner]

Ok I see your point. But you really shouldn’t have used Hitler as an example.

I believe that most people are capable of redemption and have done some good things to help people too. But some things are just so heinous that we as a society don’t want those people around, at least not without some clear evidence that they are actively and sincerely changing their attitudes and behaviors.

I’m going to bed now. Night.

[alice55]

That's extremely weird in France we don't do such things like many athlete have had bad things / scandal about them but people don't remember them for it they remember them for their athlete talents.

[KostasKouvalis]

I know.
This happened to me at work even. There was one lady, I was helping her cheat on her crossword puzzles everyday and even tried to get the American Football game on the radio for her, and some other stuff too. Those things she didn't tell anyone, but the bad stuff I did, she told and got me in trouble.

[alice55]

I'm confused why did she rat you out while you were actually helping her ? Like what the fuck is wrong with her? Who do that? This would never happened in France cause we're not collabo if someone do something wrong then we say nothing. i feel like American have no education and just love being snitch for no reasons...
I definitely would not be able to get along with those kind of people

When I was working in a elementary / kindergarten some children were snitch and I quickly told them to not do it XD
Like which kind of parents teach their 5 years old to be snitch?

[KostasKouvalis]

It's a long story. She was some woke feminist and had mental issues. She would often twist everything I said. She also didn't know how to work the alarm and it went off on her and she called the dispatch and she got mad 'cuz they said her name over the radio and she told our higher ups that it went off because I didn't lock the door properly. Then a ranger came at sat in the kiosk while I closed. Then it turned out they got an alarm call and the rangers left the door open. And even in front of me she struggled with the alarm.
Another time, they were looking for some criminal and it went over the radio and they said the guys name and I said, "Oh, some Hispanic guy!" And she said I was being racist and racially profiling, and I told her, "Gonzales is a Hispanic name." And she said, "Oh." Then I reminded her, how she was stereotyping Indians saying they don't respect women. She said, "I did say that. Well they don't." I can't stand hypocrites. She was even bragging about how she got someone fired at her old job.

In Poland too.
Yeah, the guy who worked the night shift with me showed up smelling like alcohol and I told him there's a ranger in the park, and if he stops to talk to us, just stay on the other side of the kiosk and I'll talk to him. He ended up getting fired for sleeping on the job, 'cuz some maintenance guy snitched on him, but they literally changed him from night shift to afternoon, so of course his sleeping pattern was messed up. What an asshole.
There was another girl who admitted she used to work at a call center and scam old ladies, but would snitch on everyone.

[KostasKouvalis]

But that one lady pissed me off so much that I just started trolling her with the most offensive things I could, just to ruin her mood XD

I only complained about a guy being lazy and not helping me, and I only complained to the next person up, and I was only talking to her as a "friend", but she took it professionally. But I never snitched on any co-worker to the Rangers, like some people did. That's the absolute lowest you could go. One time I even convinced a girl not to report a guy who had an open beer can in his car. Sometimes we HAD to report certain things, but some things were just stupid. Like some people snitched because someone was collecting wood for their campfire and another guy was fishing, and my co-workers reported it to the ranger.
One of the only other times I told on co-worker is because she snitched on me for something. I told my superior, "She didn't take the trash out, and I didn't snitch, but if she's gonna snitch, I'm gonna snitch too."
There were so many snitches at my school too. Americans are snitches.

You told me.
Yeah, Michelle Obama told kids to report their own parents for racist speech.
We even had to do assignments about bad experiences, times we've gotten in trouble, our living conditions and even interview someone who did illegal activity. The last one was actually interesting, but really it was just a ploy for teachers to see what kind of person you are, how you live and who you hang out with

[alice55]

She's a nutcase for sure...
You wouldn't like to work in France then if you don't like shift time change here I had job where I was in afternoon shift on Monday and on early morning shit on Tuesday... Like I stopped working at 20 and I got back to work at 6 it was crazy and shit.
Other work you have 1 week on afternoon shift and the other week you have earlier morning shift it's such bullshit.

Happy i don't know her, what an horrible person
XD

In France we never make friend with any higher up as they all have stick up their ass XD

This is a work for snitch, I would have been like you and never reporting anyone who care seriously

What, you can snitch people for a trash can XD
What's this job seriously it sound like a joke snitching people for a trash can and they took it seriously?

Yes, I noticed this some years ago when everyone agreed it was normal to call cops on their own family member they all said I was a criminal because I said I would never call police on my family and would protect them no matter what they did...

We have similar assignment too but not so detailed

[KostasKouvalis]

That's how it was at my old job, but they usually didn't change your hours very often. Mostly your days. But we had to have a 10 hour break in between shifts. The last times, they barely changed us at all. When I first started they would rotate us, so the same people weren't always working weekends, but then the staff changed and they started keeping us on the same shifts. But I was used to all that honestly, but it just pissed me off that they started giving into other people's demands. Two guys said they're not gonna wake up in the morning. Two said they need to go to church. Another girl said she wants to hang out with her boyfriend. Those aren't excuses. I only asked them not to put me in one location because it was too far. They were accommodating other people. One asked for time off after just two weeks, but when I asked for weekends off, they made a huge fuss, and when I asked for 2 weeks off to go to Italy, they ended my season, even though I still had hours and hadn't used my vacation days. They didn't even end my season after my vacation and ended up sending me a check for the unused vacation days. The only time they didn't care was when we had COVID. One time they hired a bunch of people when it was slow, then fired them before busy season. They had to put the girls from the office to help us.

At least in France you get like 5 weeks vacation

They do that here too, it depends on the job. Especially if you're new or stay quiet, they will do that to you

I know, I found that out the hard way. They're cool until they get promoted. Then suddenly they aren't your friend, but your "boss", even though when they worked with you, they broke the rules just like you and said they hate snitches. Or they will gossip/repeat stuff. You really can't trust to make any friends at work.

Usually when I was by myself, if it was stupid stuff, I usually didn't bother reporting it. Some of the rangers didn't even like it.

[KostasKouvalis]

Yeah, you could get scolded if you didn't clean or take out the trash. But it pissed me off too because one guy wasn't cleaning, and our superior said she's not gonna say anything 'cuz she doesn't want him to quit. But she eventually told him. But when I told her I'm allergic to the soaps, she said I just don't want to clean because I'm a man. And that one lady would drop food on the floor and expect me to pick it up. I told her, "I didn't drop it, so why should I pick it up?" She said, "Do you do that at home too?"

Sicilian Mafia code XD

[seeyounexttuesday]

It’s not like he’s OJ the jaywalker…he’s OJ the guy who nearly cut his ex-wife’s head off.

[lightbulb27]

I noticed as well, no... we are really bad in this.

[KostasKouvalis]

Why do you think that is?

[lightbulb27]

we took God out of society and replaced with "self" and self indulgence. media promotes this criticality of others especially "they bad guys" and those that help them promote their product... fear, shame.

They don't talk about forgiveness, past history, perspective and such, only the promotion of what sells in the media is negative emotions. That is what "news" is and all we are informed about. The cases that are moderate or even beneficial, rarely get promotion.

We are led by miserable sick system. those without awareness.. without some spiritual grounding, are quickly drawn into it.

We feed it by clicking on it. So maybe we are the root cause because we are lost. So my answer is... stop looking at the smut they produce, ground yoruself in higher spiritual truths, pull the log out of ones own eye first, etc..
it would help...

[Anonymous]

That is the American way.