A view from Donetsk region on Russia/Ukraine conflict?

[lightbulb27]

This good video showing thoughts of Russian refugees on the war, people were asked about Trump being elected.

Note the discussion at 8:00 mark is good overview of what the original conflict was in Donetsk... and what is risking WWIII.

here's some reading on the history of the Oblast Donetsk. Was 10% of Ukranian population...4 million. Not that now...

1/2 of the coal and steel production of Ukraine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk_Oblast

Let's hope there can be a return to stability, as this conflict is directionally going the wrong way... globally... as east/west collide.

[blueonblack22]

Crazy to hear some of these people say “we don’t know much about Trump and we don’t know peoples’s opinion of him”.

Trump is at the moment the most famous (or infamous depending on your POV) person in the world. It really shows how isolated these people are from international mass communication.

Not saying that is a bad thing (could even be good in some scenarios). But no doubt they are being fed mostly Russian controlled news coverage along with their own observations. It may be surprising to hear one Ukrainian saying “Russia liberated us.” But there really are separatist regions in the Ukraine were the local population rather be under Russian sovereignty. Obviously not all Ukrainians feel this way but a minority do.

This all just an observation. Not taking any side. These people are in the thick of it and probably most of them have lost friends and/or family in the war. My opinion obviously doesn’t outright theirs. I have no right judge their opinions.

[lightbulb27]

be nice if reporters covered the whole story. war can be confusing as there are different views.

[blueonblack22]

Almost no war is black and white where one side is completely evil and the other side is completely good.

However there are some conflicts that are much more transparent than others. While Russia has zero justification to invade the Ukraine at least there weren’t doing terrorist attacks directly targeting civilians, murdering babies on their cribs and taking hostages.

Not to say war crimes have not happened. They definitely have (both sides). But terrorism is heinous. It’s about attacking innocent (often defenseless) civilians and trying to justify it for an ideological purpose. And just because your country is much poorer doesn’t make it “okay”.

[Lliam]

Thanks for posting this Lightbulb. I know independent journalists who spent a lot of. time in the Donetsk region over the past 10 ears, beginning in 2014, and witnessed the senseless brutality waged by Ukrainian forces against civilian populations. They were shelling schools and markets and even dropping mini landmines in cities to kill and maim civilians. It was a war against ethnic Russians and Russian speaking people perpetrated by old-fashioned Nazis.

Russia saved them at their behest.

They are no doubt hoping that Trump will help to negotiate a peaceful resolution that ends Ukrainian aggression against them so that their lives can return to normal.

[lightbulb27]

not a view communicated in the western media... at all...

[Lliam]

NOT AT ALL.
In fact, journalists who report it are blocked, de-platformed and slandered.

[bobby_bush_eater]

All 4 oblasts are shitholes now and neither country has money to rebuild after the war.

They both won't quit though, tbh idgaf what happens I just want the USA to not pay for anything in a Slavic war that proves Russia isn't a near peer adversary just because they have nuclear weapons.

[lightbulb27]

good points, yes, all trashed and dangerous for probably long time with unexploded weapons and poisons.
money... nah, they will work deal at some point, ukraine debt wiped out and world will throw money at it. probably re-arm for next war too...
so sad, those people been through several horrible wars in last 100 years. and for what... because they are on the edge of east vs west.

[bobby_bush_eater]

It is very naive to assume any of the Oblasts will be recaptured by Ukraine, and if Russia secures them, they will not see a penny; they will likely still be sanctioned too.

Joe Biden wants debt forgiveness Trump doesn't care he wants the publicity of ending the war; Ukraine has 0 leverage, and the US has very little to gain except an international pat on the back by continuing to fight. I feel for the average Ukranian but in my opinion that country was, is, and will be one of the most corrupt nations in Europe and the USA needs to stay away from it.

Ukraine cannot push the Russians out of the Oblasts; they do not have the manpower or the technology, and the US has no obligation to continue this pointless war of attrition.

[bobby_bush_eater]

Slight edit: their only leverage is the invasion of Kursk; that's not enough.

[Avicenna]

This war has gone on way too long. Hopefully there will be an end to the conflict in 2025.

[Anonymous]

Let’s hope it works out

[jimmy2]

Agree