Did the man who blew up the Tesla truck in Las Vegas get adequate care?

[msc545]

It turns out that the men who blew up the Tesla truck in Las Vegas was a service veteran who had a history of PTSD and also a history of traumatic brain injury or TBI. This is a particularly bad combination of conditions that unfortunately I'm very familiar with in that I have treated many veterans who've had these problems. Usually when something like this happens there is commentary from treating providers but in this case there is nothing. I am wondering if this gentleman received treatment and if he did what it consisted of? unfortunately, a lot of the veterans who need treatment don't receive it for various reasons and we sometimes have tragic results as we did in this case.

[goaded]

Did you see what he wanted people to do?

"Fellow Servicemembers, Veterans, and all Americans,

TIME TO WAKE UP!

We are being led by weak and feckless leadership who only serve to enrich themselves.

Military and vets move on DC starting now. Militias facilitate and augment this activity.

Occupy every major road along fed buildings and the campus of fed buildings by the hundreds of thousands.

Lock the highways around down with semis right after everybody gets in. Hold until the purge is complete.

Try peaceful means first, but be prepared to fight to get the Dems out of the fed government and military by any means necessary. They all must go and a hard reset must occur for our country to avoid collapse.

-MSG Matt Livelsberger 18Z, 10th Special Forces Group"

"We are the United States of America, the best country people to ever exist! But right now we are terminally ill and headed toward collapse.

We are crumbling because of a lack of self respect, morales, and respect for others. Greed and gluttony has consumed us. The top 1% decided long ago they weren’t going to bring everyone else with them. You are cattle to them.

We have strayed from family values and corrupted our minds and I am a prime example of having it all but it never being enough.

A lot of us are just sitting around waiting to die. No sunlight, no steps, no fresh air, no hope. Our children are addicted to screens by the age of two. We are filling our bodies with processed foods.
Our population is too fat to join the military yet we are facing a war with China, Russia, North Korea and Iran before 2030.

We must take these actions if we are going to make it past the next few years in one piece:

We must end the war in Ukraine with negotiated settlement. It is the only way.

Focus on strength and winning. Masculinity is good and men must be leaders. Strength is a deterrent and fear is the product.

Weeded out those in our government and military who do not idealize #2.

The income inequality in this country and cost-of-living is outrageous. The number of homeless on our street is embarrassing and disgusting. Have some pride and take care of this.

Stop obsessing over diversity. We are all diverse and DEl is a cancer.

Thankfully we rejected the DEl candidate and will have a real President instead of Weekend at Bernie’s.

We must move on from the culture of weakness and self enrichment perpetuated by our senior political and military leaders. We are done with the blatant corruption. Our soldiers are done fighting wars without end states or clear objectives.

This was not a terrorist attack, it was a wake up call. Americans only pay attention to spectacles and violence. What better way to get my point across than a stunt with fireworks and explosives?
Why did I personally do it now? I needed to cleanse my mind of the brothers I’ve lost and relieve myself of the burden of the lives I took.

Consider this last sunset of ’24 and my actions the end of our sickness and a new chapter of health for our people. Rally around the Trump, Musk, Kennedy, and ride this wave to the highest hegemony for all Americans! We are second to no one."

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/wake-up-read-the-trump-hotel-bombers-chilling-messages-calling-on-militias-to-purge-d-c-of-democrats/

[exitseven]

The VA does not take adequate care of our service members. President Trump implemented some improvements but there is still a lot more that needs to be done especially when ot comes to psychological problems.

[msc545]

I agree that the VA has some issues. Trump never did a damn thing to make things better for veterans - he hates the military and he hates soldiers and considers them to be "suckers".

[exitseven]

Trump fired a lot of the incompetent that could not be fired. He made it so if a veteran could not get a doctor's appointment at the VA they could go to their own doctor and the VA would pay for it. He expanded prescription drug coverage. Ask anyone that goes to the VA if Trump improved the care they got. My wife sees this all the time.

[goaded]

I think it's fairer to say that Congress improved the VA. Both the Mission and PACT acts were bipartisan. Biden called for the PACT Act in his SOTU, Trump signed what he was given. Factors Trump directly affected were to nominate a drunk to run the VA and to have members of his club direct it who directed money to themselves.

"The [Trump] Mission Act, meanwhile, was an effort to fix issues with the earlier Choice Act, a 2014 law...

The [Biden] PACT Act was the culmination of a yearslong effort from veterans, family members and other advocates to get better recognition and care for ailments believed to be caused by exposure to burn pits and other toxins during their military services.

By the VA's own accounting, the law has resulted in more than a million new benefits claims approved and more than 300,000 new enrollments in VA health care.
...
Trump first nominated current Rep. Ronny Jackson... [who] was forced to withdraw from consideration after allegations that were later confirmed by an inspector general that he drank on the job, overprescribed medications and created a hostile work environment.
...
VA policy during the Trump administration was also directed by a trio of business executives with personal ties to Trump and memberships at his Mar-a-Lago club, according to a 2021 investigation by congressional Democrats that concluded the arrangement "violated the law and sought to exert improper influence over government officials to further their own personal interest.""
www.military.com/.../...id-veterans-president.html

[msc545]

I am a medical provider for veterans. Trump didn't do a damn thing and did none of the things you mentioned.

[exitseven]

I have seen otherwise.

[msc545]

Oh really? What exactly have you seen and where have you seen it?

[PsychicBoobs]

I highly doubt the US returned their debt to this man in adequate healthcare.

[Agape93]

If he relied on the VA, probably not. Ptsd is a bitch to deal with.

[ManOnFire]

Apparently he refused to ever get checked out. He was also cheating on his wife and she threw him out.

[msc545]

I knew about his marital difficulties from reading about them, but I was unaware that he had refused to get checked out by anyone. Can you tell me where you read that or heard about that please? Thanks!

[ManOnFire]

They said he did NOT seek treatment. So could mean he refused it.
https://youtu.be/kvEzyZF26mo?si=5ivd4vXEbwCEb9Q0

[slatyb]

Seattle is overrun with people in a similar condition. They are suffering from a serious mental illness but they don't believe they are, and refuse treatment. They often aren't recognized as a threat to others until it is too late. It's very difficult to force someone into treatment, and often it's too late.

[ManOnFire]

@slatyb Sounds a lot like L. A.

[msc545]

Thanks for this. Many men in particular are resistant to treatment at least initially.

[ManOnFire]

Yep, I know someone myself who is very resistant to it, and he doesn't realize what he's doing to himself.

[msc545]

Sometimes people are so badly injured that they have literally no ability to realize that they are harming themselves by not obtaining treatment.

[front2back]

No, but looking more into the manifesto and supposed method of death I'm starting to doubt it was even his body found.

[lightbulb27]

We still lose a lot of veterans every year. Something wrong. What these people living through that trashes their minds and what are the treatment options that work?
Maybe he was hopeless… disconnected. Then again… was that his cyber truck… expensive. wonder if the excess EMFs in the cyber truck drove him nuts.

[msc545]

They have lived through WAR - is that difficult to understand? Most people understand that exposure to life-threatening situations causes PTSD.

EMF has nothing to do with any of this except that your belief in it is worrisome.

[goaded]

He rented the truck.

[lightbulb27]

@goaded thank you for that.
asker...
I can understand it, but what is going on and why can't they be recovered? I hav my answers, but you are the expert. I talked to vets that killed 100's of vietnamese... lived to old age. I also meet 80-90yr old veterans. . in church. Maybe our methods are suspect and need some improvement? EMF's... I'm emf sensitive, it drives me nuts in cars when the kids use blootooth. I turn all that crap off. Driving a Tesla for me was torture, couldn't wait to get out of it. I totally believe it can cause problems for some. Maybe people only believe when they live it?
We're all different.

[msc545]

Your question is a very complicated one. I can answer it but to understand my answer would require a lot of a background knowledge and a lot of time and that sort of answer is not really appropriate here or practical. The best I can do is to tell you that constant exposure to severe stress seems to cause changes in brain structures that in turn causes substantial changes in emotions and behavior.

[Sevenpointfive]

yes, yes. we all know about the chemicals released from stress and if that is repeated constantly and how it can alter the brain. it's not that complicated to explain. i'm sure the science is but you could dumb it down or link him.

[lightbulb27]

I'd wonder the suicide and "out of order" rate of the Taliban. And as well these these guys: www.reddit.com/media
duckduckgo.com/

or Trudy Chase... duckduckgo.com/
my point is... find what holds the mind together,, in order, or makes order to begin with, and possibly find the treatment required.
Id be curious to understand the emotions, experiences and beliefs of the man whom blew him self up. Without it, we are guessing whether he get adequate support.
Anyone can 'snap'... and we all have stress. You have stress. The jews in camps had stress... some faught hard to survive, never blow themselves up.
I have my answer, but as long as science denies a greater uniform answer, I don't think they can.

[Sevenpointfive]

it can be treated to lessen the impact but i don't think there is a complete solution. there has to be at least one psychiatrist that has gotten PTSD, you'd think?

[msc545]

Of course there is but having a condition is not the same thing as knowing how to treat it or even being able to treat it.

[Sevenpointfive]

and that my friends is why psychology is bullshit. sorry msc. stick with neuroscience

[lightbulb27]

@Sevenpointfive makes sense, when there is brain degeneration/damage/tumor/traumas. Have you ever been in his place emotionally... where you could not only kill yourself but others... and feel good with it? I went there, I turned around and went the other way. There are choices involved. That leads to the spiritual truths. "hell" for lack of a better word, is wide and deep... people get lost. Doesn't take much to go in, getting out is a maze.
Granted... a Buddhist and such could light themselves on fire to make a point.
Fortunately, this guy was not selfish... he took himself and made a statement. He could have taken many. For what it's worth, strikes me as he was of higher caliber to only take himself, after all that thinking and planning.
And the question is... how many more are out there, how many are we making anew every day. We lose 1.2 to suicide daily.
Social connection, peace, hope, faith, purpose... gratitude, thankfulness, love, peace, contentment, growth.. all are salves to the soul.

[Sevenpointfive]

i haven't been in his personal situation but yes. i believe i have similar trauma. i don't need to talk to someone about it or hurt people, myself or structures to deal with it. i suppose this guy was more susceptible to trauma. in fact, joining the military was probably a step to get over his fear of helplessness.

[lightbulb27]

@Sevenpointfive good point, the roots likely go back to early life... the unresolved traumas. People go into therapy and police and such for those reasons. That's what controls (trauma), til it's released imho.
you have similar trauma to him? So what is your secret sauce to deal with it?

[msc545]

@Sevenpointfive Poor logic on your part, friend. What I said doe not lead to that erroneous conclusion.

[Sevenpointfive]

@lightbulb27 i fell into the bottle. i'd hardly call that dealing with it.

[lightbulb27]

@Sevenpointfive that's fairly normal response to emotions cannot handle. So your own assessment of yourself would be... you experienced some trauma... got 'stuck' emotionally and self medicate.. and still there. Is that right? there's nothing wrong with 'bottles', the problem is our need and how it controls and thus... limits our life. The issue is the unprocessed trauma which now limits your life. Normal for many people in life. Freedom meaning opportunity for "new" life, to the fullest. So question becomes, is it something you want deal with and move on from?
I'm not an expert nor trained, I just went through my stuff and learned a lot... for me. If you want the 'sauce' I found, I'll hand it to you as succinctly as I can. If you'd rather stay where you are, I understand.. that's typical and it's what I did a long time. What's at play... is time and life, the only thing we have.

[Sevenpointfive]

imagine being burned in a fire to the point that no one wants to look at you long enough to feel sorry for you. that's what i feel like. i try not to feel sorry for myself. i try not to be hateful at the world. but it really opened up my mind and showed me how skin deep my interactions with people really were.

my trauma will never go away. it can't be fixed. you can say accept and forgive it, but that's bullshit. i've never felt more free than right now.

[lightbulb27]

@Sevenpointfive So the feeling is what... shame? You make it sound physical but it seems emotional morso.
I don't think trauma goes away, the memories are there. It can be reprocessed so it doesn't hold the power over your now. That is a choice though. It is so easy to wallow.. as long as we do, the trauma controls and guides. You have to want something else. If you feel free and feel good, then continue on.
The truth is... whatever happened... is the past, and it's done. there may be consequences in life, but the only thing is right now and the future. The question is if the past trauma is screwing your now and future. I didn't realize mine was until it staired me in the face. It took a few decades to deal with and it's occasionally a snake that rises up, but I know how to deal with it and am aware of it. It's concscious choices to reframe, resolve, heal... a process.

[Sevenpointfive]

my trauma keeps me where i need to be. i need it. you need it. i'd imagine that is how they make soldiers

[lightbulb27]

@Sevenpointfive Correct, trauma (and I'm using that term loosely as I'm not professional), is training. Trouble is... it may serve you then, but not now or evermore. It may limit you, and when given a fork in the road, choose the wrong one... if you weren't guided by that training. It's your choice what you do with it, but it shouldn't be your master.

[Sevenpointfive]

that's like the intro to a marvel universe lol.

[lightbulb27]

@Sevenpointfive haha, maybe:) Alice in wonderland!

[seeyounexttuesday]

weird his body was burned beyond recognition but his license was pristine.

[msc545]

Weird that this is all you paid attention to...

[slatyb]

It's often surprising what is or is not consumed by fire. You might look up "spontaneous human combustion" to see how occasionally bodies are consumed while much of the room remains untouched.

[UnwantedScorpio]

Would. That be. Considered as a mental problem

[msc545]

Ptsd is a mental problem. TBI is a brain injury which often causes mental problems.

[UnwantedScorpio]

I have psd TT^TT.
And im not eldery yet

[msc545]

You don't have to be in a particular age to get PTSD

[UnwantedScorpio]

Psd is youth parkinns 9 it’s a rare form

[RavVid]

That is very sad.