Do you think men harming transwomen for not disclosing their status is justified?

[Anonymous]

There are stories every year where a transwoman won't disclose that she is trans immediately to the guy and they will go on dates and maybe do something sexual before the man finds out.

Guys reaction to this is often violence which results in brutal beating of the transwoman and in some cases an attempt at homicide.

For example, February of last year, an 18 y/o transwoman from the UK performed BJ on a guy. The guy found out she was trans later and then got together with his group of friends and stabbed her multiple times with a knife. She was rushed in critical condition to the ICU but luckily survived and now has trust issues and fear to leave her home.

"In January 2024, the girl was with Harris at his house, and while there, a mutual friend called Harris telling him she was “trans”.

“Having been attacked in the past because of her transgender identity, she denied it,” prosecutor Deanna Heer KC told jurors.

She and Harris then kissed, and she performed oral sex on him, the court heard.

Soon afterwards, another friend told Harris that the girl was a “tranny”, the prosecutor said.

She denied it again, but when Harris picked up a knife and said, “I’ll stab you if you lie”, she felt intimidated and admitted that she was transgender before Harris told her to leave."

Keep in mind, the men who engaged in sexual activity were not forced to do the act. They found what was in front of them as attractive and willingly took part in the deed. And while yes the transwoman did lie by not disclosing she was trans, do you think this reaction from men to go straight for violence with intent to kill or main is justified?

Yes

No

[Lliam]

Violence is inexcusable.
But it is also inexcusable for a trans-woman to trick a guy into thinking he is female. I think it should be a criminal offense of fraud or something. And his victim should be able to sue him.

I consider trans-women to be men. I would be extremely disgusted and angry if a guy lured me into even kissing him. If we were in my car, I would kick him out regardless of where we were. If we were at my place, I would throw him out. If we were at a restaurant, I would leave and leave him to pay the bill.

Trans-women should be 100% up front. They should not attempt to prey on guys who are not interested.

[Cormac995]

Violence isn't in excusable against rapists it's deserved.

[ChicoFromThe305]

I get where they are coming from mostly if they got sexual before they realized, although I believe violence should be only used in dangerous situations, also the person should have told them before anything happened, mostly before any intimacy, shit like this is starting to convince me to offer these women horny chocolates without them knowing it's horny chocolates, that outta show what they are, if they are trans then I hid the fact the chocolates are special chocolates just how they hid their true gender.

[Anonymous]

Not telling a potentiomal partner you are trans. I think that might fall under the definition of rape by deception which is a crime where I live.
Most people are heterosexual and only want to have sexual contact with people born the opposite sex.

Anyway no it’s still not a valid excuse to physically hurt the trans woman but I think they should definitely try to sue them for the deception

[LazerBean]

I do not at all support the LGBTQ community, but it is totally wrong for someone to try to kill a trans person for this reason. It would be similar to a woman accusing a man of rape after the fact because she regretted having sex with him. It's just all around stupid.

[Cormac995]

What are you even talking about? If you have sex with someone without disclosing that information first, you're a rapist! Sex requires consent and if consent was an achieved with a lie or cohesion to get sex it's rape. IF a trans person did this to me, I'd beat the shit out of them and be tempted to kill them for it. This isn't the same as a woman calling it rape after the fact because in that case, she fully consented knowingly and had regrets but if this information was told to me retroactively It's rape because I never would have consented had I known that period. IF you're trans and you fuck someone straight without telling them you're a rapist it's that simple.

[LazerBean]

And yet I'll bet you've never once had a woman outright tell you she was born a woman before you had sex with her. Because that would be ludicrous. Accusing someone of rape because you learn something new about them after the fact is always retarded and ones own fault. So glad I don't not have to worry about those dumb hoe problems

[Cormac995]

Just because I didn't know the detail beforehand because I couldn't see the difference with my eyes doesn't mean the difference isn't there and I was in that position, and I was unaware of the fact until after we do the deed and then I was told IT IS RAPE. Lying by omission about something like that isn't the same thing as learning something that just happens to be an afterthought I'm not gay I don't care if your post op it's you're a biological man and I'm only attracted to biological woman. If I'm not told I didn't consent, I was tricked from a legal perspective I'm right too. There have been a large number of cases of people doing this and according to the law it is sexual assault. When you lie to coerce someone into sex by withholding information that would have changed their mines before the deed it's rape. A large number of post op trans people who did this got caught and are sex offenders now as they should be. It's worse than cat fishing because you're using their body without consent this is one of the dumbest takes, I've ever heard it defies common sense and laws that were established prior to there even being a T the LGB they fact you had a surgery and are on hormones doesn't change shit.

[LazerBean]

Life sure sounds hard for degenerates. Have fun with that

[Cormac995]

you're disgusting.

[LazerBean]

What a weird thing for a hoe to say

[SmokinAces2000]

Now in general I’m not going to lie I can understand a dude putting his hands on a trans woman that didn’t tell him they were trans before they did anything sexual, not saying I would do it or that it is right but I understand. When it comes to murder I obviously don’t think there is any circumstance where someone should be murdered in a situation like this. In the situation you mentioned I personally think this is the guys fault. If I’m with a girl and my friend calls me and tells me that she’s trans I’m not even going to risk it so to me he was just thinking with his dick and then had to switch up since people found out.

[Cormac995]

If I slept with someone who didn't tell me, they were trans prior to us sleeping together I'd beat the shit out of them because they just raped me because if I knew that I NEVER would have given consent if I'd known. The MFr would be lucky if I didn't kill them.

[AyChingao]

First. In most cases no sort of transition can BEGIN to take place until the person is 18. There may be exceptions if the dysphoria is extreme... parental permissions are given.
Even at that I feel that this young lady would be quite an unusual example under normal circumstances. Perhaps if current society stops attacking them from every angle possible they won't have any reason to feel as if they need to hide.

[Kaneki05]

No, that just shows how insecure a man is as they can't admit that she was attractive to him and he liked it.

Inscure and violent? Put them in prison forever they can't coexist in society without hurting someone.

[seeyounexttuesday]

so date rape is ok, now?

[Kaneki05]

Yup, cause rape is totally enjoying a BJ then getting insecure later about whom it was with. Guess if a man sleeps with a sex worker without knowing her line of work then finds out thinks damn never would of if I knew that must be rape.

The only time it's rape if the person actually has a Std, because unlike above that effects you legitimately than just regretting it later.

[seeyounexttuesday]

I am not gay so wouldn't want sex with a man. If it's rape for a guy to take off a condom mid sex, then someone lying about what gender they are is easily in the same camp.

[Kaneki05]

@seeyounexttuesday Nope you are comparing something that physically effects you to insecure feelings. Nice try, got a better accurate example?

You won't find one though cause your logic is wrong here.

[seeyounexttuesday]

I'm not insecure because I'm not a homosexual. Where do you get such a retarded idea?

[Kaneki05]

@seeyounexttuesday Couldn't think of one could you?
And nice retort that has nothing to do with what I said.
I never once said your insecure if not homosexual but ya know good luck trying to make a better argument next time that actually goes by what one said.

[seeyounexttuesday]

you said it was "insecure feelings" to be upset a man lied about who he was in order to have sex. Those were your words.

[Kaneki05]

@seeyounexttuesday Please quote where I mentioned gay at all, even the word gay in any form nvm homosexual.

Because I didn't so your missing my point by not been able to comprehend what I've said, or your trying to grasp at straws that aren't there.

[seeyounexttuesday]

If a man has sex with a man, he's a homosexual. How is this a hard concept for you to understand?

[Kaneki05]

@seeyounexttuesday When did I say it wasn't? Please quote to me.

Your a real good strawman you are that or really missing the point. But please quote go ahead.
This is your own tangent point you'll find.

[seeyounexttuesday]

"cause rape is totally enjoying a BJ then getting insecure later about whom it was with. " This is your statement, verbatim.

If you're lying to someone and claiming you're a woman to engage with sex with heterosexual men, this called Rape by deception is a situation in which the perpetrator deceives the victim into participating in a sexual act to which they would otherwise not have consented, had they not been deceived. Deception can occur in many forms, such as illusory perceptions, false statements, and false actions.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-34258993

[Kaneki05]

@seeyounexttuesday Where does that quote say Gay? Anywhere lmao.

And nope I gave an example of how it is not, regretting it is not rape. But good look again finding a good example than a link of nothing.

[Kaneki05]

Luck*

[Kaneki05]

@seeyounexttuesday Again I guess it's rape in your logic if a man has sex with a woman who sex works but didn't know.

Or how about a girl who has sex with a poor man but didn't know then found out he is poor, called it rape because she is sad he's not wealthy like he appeared or even claimed.

[Kaneki05]

@seeyounexttuesday Just thought of another good example.
So by your logic cheating would be rape.
As you've lied to someone here whether it's your partner that you still have sex with or even your mistress who may not know you have a partner in the first place.

Damn that's a lot of rapes we now need to look into.
Tbf sending cheaters to prison wouldn't be a bad idea but it's ridiculous to think that of rape.

Lying within or to get sex is not by definition rape.
Some things can be like not been forth coming about Std or taking off the condom as these have permanent ongoing effects that have nothing to do with you just been upset.

[seeyounexttuesday]

I flat out showed you a case where a woman pretended to be a man and was charged with rape. You can make up all the stupid examples you want, but there's legal precedence, and it's a clear violation.

[Kaneki05]

@seeyounexttuesday I see so you go by law is always morally and factually right. You would've been fun back when salves were legally allowed. Or if you were in a country where legal age is 13.

My critical thinking is correct. Whether you agree or not.

[seeyounexttuesday]

lol, you're talking about slavery, now. That's how far you're reaching to pretend you're correct. Simply put, if a man pretends to be a woman to bang guys, he is committing sexual assault.

[Kaneki05]

@seeyounexttuesday Imagine thinking that is reaching.
It's just another example why your point is ridiculous, you refuse to think for yourself and comprehend complex thought.

But that's a you problem I guess not mine, though no point talking to me if you can't think for yourself.
By this legal definition it would make cheating and all other examples I've given illegal and rape yet.. It's not. So someone's been a hypocrite here aka the law your standing by without thinking.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Imagine you thinking a guy can suck your dick and you're fine with it.

[Kaneki05]

@seeyounexttuesday Lmao I can't you must be a troll, good on you for been so. It's be fun.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Now the truth comes out.

[exitseven]

No, of course that is not right. However, pretending to be a woman should be a crime. He should be able to be charged with fraud and have some kind of punishment.

[DrPepper12]

You could have stopped the question at "do you think men harming". No, it is not okay under any circumstances for anyone to harm anyone else. This type of bullshit is just a hate crime by scared bigoted twat waffles

[KostasKouvalis]

Hell yeah it's justified if you're straight. That shit can traumatize you for life. They're supposed to disclose that shit

[Oldschool1981]

I once picked up a prostitute in Thailand, she was super hot but I soon found out she was trans. Fucked her anyway

[SmokinAces2000]

I guarantee no one needed this info 🙏🏾

[Ladsin2]

Is it justified? No. Is it expected? Yes.
Is it justified for a man to rape a woman for walking through gang territory naked? No. Is it expected? Yes.

Should I say A or B?

[harris2107]

Not at all. Violence is violence and nobody has rights to beat or physically abuse anyone.

[Anonymous]

Understandable. It's like saying is a woman justified for assaulting her rapist.

[Anonymous]

Violence is not justified. But if a trans "women" did that with me, I would be fucking pissed.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Wouldn’t you want to physically defend yourself after being sexually assaulted?

[Pohjolan]

Well not justified but understandable.

[Pterodon]

I’d blow it’s dick off

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Justified. Kill those p. o. s