Do you know what a Moral Panic is?

[goaded]

• Something or someone is perceived and defined as a threat.
• The news media depicts the threat in simplistic, symbolic ways that quickly become recognizable to the greater public.
• Widespread public concern is aroused by the way news media portrays the symbolic representation of the threat.
• The authorities and policymakers respond to the threat, be it real or perceived.
• The moral panic and the subsequent actions of those in power lead to social change.

South African sociologist Stanley Cohen (1942–2013), in his 1972 book Folk Devils and Moral Panics.

Some recent examples:

Trans people in sport

There's about a dozen among half a million athletes, and Evan Urquhart said it clearly: "You don’t have to be that gung-ho on trans rights to realize that a world where girls’ genitals need to be inspected before they can play any sport is worse for girls than a world where once in a while there’s a trans girl on a girls’ team."

Critical Race Theory

Chris Rufo explicitly said he was out to demonize this phrase by making it a catch-all for anything that extreme right-wingers don't like.

DEI

It should be obvious by now that Trump and his supporters are pretending that any woman or person of colour who got a good job must have been a "DEI hire", because obviously they couldn't be better qualified than a white man.

Anti-Semitism

That's now apparently everyone who's against killing everybody in Gaza. Never mind that vast numbers of Jewish Israelis (and worldwide) don't want the killing either.

Immigrants

Trump's going to go after the rapists and murderers, criminals, right?

Oh, but every one of the supposed tens of millions of illegal immigrants are "rapists and murderers", how come there haven't been tens of millions of rapes or murders?

Meanwhile, this is what is going to happen to people's income if the Republicans get their way.

Updates

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There's a related article, here. theconversation.com/we-study-mass-surveillance-for-social-control-and-we-see-trump-laying-the-groundwork-to-contain-people-of-color-and-immigrants-221073

[Danzigdawson]

It's interesting to see that moral panics in the United States are often about children or teens falling victim to "extreme liberal moral corruption". A lot of these panics started or experienced a surge during Reagan's administration, interestingly enough. The satanic panic, the dangers of heavy metal and violent or obscene lyrics in music (PMRC), dungeon & dragons, violence and sex in movies, tv programs and video games... Of course, only good christian conservatives can save the nation from decadence and decline brought on by the evils of secularity. That's why they elect such competent and honest leaders such as trump who'll gladly give them whatever stupid, trivial morally-charged legislation they seek in exchange for them turning a blind eye to the establishment of an oligarchy and the destruction of the United States' democracy and political system.

[DryGermanGuy]

Yeah, although I believe those happening in Europe are one or two dimensions smaller than those in God's own country U, S and A.

[exitseven]

So by your reasoning a little crime is okay. ? I disagree. If one girl gets her brains scrambled by a guy shooting a volleyball to her head is one too many. If one white person gets shut out of a job opportunity because of his skin color, it is one too many. If an illegal alien kills only one person, it is one too many.
How many crimes is unacceptable? a hundred? A thousand?
And as far al illegal aliens are concerned, the 20 million that have flowed into America has cost federal taxpayers over 400 billion dollars a year. It costs the state and local governments billions more. If that is not theft, I do not know what is.

[goaded]

Let me know when Trump totally eliminates crime. If he tells you he has, you'll probably believe it.

Why don't you use thoughts and prayers on the border? It's all that happens when kids are shot in schools.

[Dongie]

@goaded

So unless you wipe it all away, let it run wild.

[goaded]

@Dongie No, nobody will ever eliminate crime. What is possible is limiting suffering. People like you two claim 20 million criminals and six crimes.

[Dongie]

Name those 6 crimes hotshot! If only 6 you can name them.

[goaded]

@Dongie How about you name seven?

[Dongie]

You said six. Name them and I'll top it with 6!

[Dongie]

No, yeah what I figured. Tell you what, I'll put up 12 here after a while. I've a few things to attend to in the real world. 😅🫰💥

[goaded]

@Dongie So I'm guessing you can't even name one. My rhetorical point was that you guys will point to a few horrific crimes committed by immigrants, while at the same time pretending there are millions more than there are and that citizens don't commit equally bad crimes all the time.

Why not compare immigrants to, say, Southern Baptist ministers? "hundreds of church leaders accused or found guilty of abusing children". www.theguardian.com/.../southern-baptist-church-sexual-abuse-scandal

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

[Dongie]

I know what your fkn point was, and I said name'em since you claim only six. Punk ass can't name'em tho. You're a joke shitstick!!

[Dongie]

How about the girl raped for 12 hours then killed. That's worth a fuckin thousand. How about the freaks that kidnapped another 12 year old and raped her. How about the 5 or 6 home invasions. How about the armed robberies. How about the terror spread at that apartment complex in Colorado? That's good for a dozen easy. How about the ones killed by drunk drivers here illegally? Forgive me for not remembering each fkn name. Go Google crimes of illegals. Dipshit!!

[Dongie]

Assault, Battery, Domestic Violence 692 524 299 208 1,178 1,142 1,254 1,084 406
Burglary, Robbery, Larceny, Theft, Fraud

[Dongie]

It didn't copy to well, but go Google it, and you'll see thousands, you jerkoff!!

[goaded]

@Dongie Tell me you don't understand what a rhetorical point is without telling me...

Without a similar list of crimes committed by "legals", that's meaningless. The rate of violent crime in the US is about 22 per 100,000 people, which is getting on for 73,000, your first three numbers make up about 1,500, which would be about right for just under 7 million people. How many illegal immigrants do you say there are again? How many of them are dangerous criminals? Why are you only up in arms about crimes committed by immigrants?

I'll give you a hint: you've been told to hate them.

How about that, a quick search for rape and murder turns up, from yesterday, "A former police chief in Arkansas sentenced to prison for rape and first-degree murder remains on the run after escaping a state facility in a disguise". Are you going to demand the locking up of all police chiefs now? Or all priests?

It's almost as if crimes are committed by bad people or something.

[Dongie]

No, it's because all you stupid imbeciles are taking the stance against deportation. Why?

[goaded]

@Dongie Because (a) Trump is deporting innocent people with a legal right to be in the US, (b) you're all trying to make out that they're all criminals, (c) if they are allowed to put people in foreign concentration camps without giving them a chance to prove they've no right to, they can do it to literally anyone.

It's called respecting the rule of law. Why don't you try that?

[Dongie]

I've not found any article claiming a US citizen has been deported and placed in a prison of any kind.

[goaded]

@Dongie Oh, look at that, you both implied I said something I didn't and avoided finding the truth by only looking for US citizens being deported and placed in a prison, not just people who haven't broken any US laws and were legally in the country. Why are they in a prison at all? They haven't broken El Salvadorian laws, either.

www.cato.org/.../50-venezuelans-imprisoned-el-salvador-came-us-legally-never-violated-immigration-law

If they are allowed to put people in foreign concentration camps without giving them a chance to prove they've no right to, they can do it to literally anyone.

Tell me how CECOT differs from Dachau in 1933.

[Dongie]

Oh gouda, you're so crazy!

[goaded]

@Dongie Don't you ever get tired of lying every day? It's a really sad life to lead.

Tell me how CECOT differs from Dachau in 1933.

[Dongie]

It differs by the fact that the inmates are murderers.

[goaded]

@Dongie Wrong again. The "inmates" include innocent people the ruling party want out of the way with no judicial oversight, in both cases. 50+ people Trump's sent to CECOT have committed no crime in either country. Trump just lies about them and you lap it up.

[Dongie]

No, I think you are lying because that's what leftys do.

[goaded]

@Dongie You know I'm not. You must know you are.

Why don't you believe Trump has sent people who have committed no crime in either the US or El Salvador to a notorious prison in El Salvador? Because he says they're all murderers?

[Dongie]

No, he doesn't. Lying again. You fkers always take shit out of context. Are you drunk¿

[goaded]

@Dongie Let's see, Trump who lies all the time about everything, or me and the Cato institute.

Trump has sent over 50 people who have committed no crime in either the US or El Salvador to a notorious prison in El Salvador. You are fine with that because you believe him when he says they're all murderers.

www.cato.org/.../50-venezuelans-imprisoned-el-salvador-came-us-legally-never-violated-immigration-law

If Trump's regime is allowed to put people in foreign concentration camps without giving them a chance to prove they've no right to, they can do it to literally anyone.

[Dongie]

You know what? GOOD! If Hillary did it, you wouldn't say a word. If Trump saved a life you would look for a reason to shame him for it. So go @#$% yourself!

[goaded]

@Dongie Ah, and there are your true colours, you little Nazi, you.

[Dongie]

Awe, gouda, why do you call me your ancestry? My line has been out of Germany for over two hundred years.

[Dongie]

I read your little article by David J Bier. It said mostly and what if a lot. I really can not trust left-wing news sources. They lie to much, especially when trying to shame our president. Like the boy who cried wolf. Nobody believes them.

[Dongie]

So I found this for you, " nazi."
youtube.com/shorts/805p7j0igew?si=HFlCvp02dZVTeI1Y

[Dongie]

Like this.

youtube.com/shorts/ZRHWPbNYYVM?si=0b4cfESXiE6kPoox

[goaded]

@Dongie Did I touch a nerve with the Nazi who supports Trump putting innocent people in concentration camps? You said, and I quote: "You know what? GOOD!" when I pointed out that there are more than 50 people rotting in El Salvador who haven't committed crimes there or in the US.

Where the article says "more" or "most", it's talking about the rest of the poor souls deported to that concentration camp without any of their legally required due process. The only person lying is you.

I expect you understand that the difference between a prison and a concentration camp is that the latter has no judicial oversight. Just like CECOT.

[Dongie]

I don't need you to tell me what I said gouda! What's wrong with you? Why do you leftys virtue signal. You think other people really don't care about their fellow man? How narcissistic of you! Do you kiss yourself as well?

So tell me what else you love about being Mr. Care for all but Trump supporters? Just how much do you love your fellow man, and how much do you hate Trump? Which feels the best? Loving or hating? Let's hear it Mr. Unique, one and only! 😂 cum on! You fucking fascist! I guess you can't help it. It's in your blood! Here's an open invitation to tell ALL about the virtues of gouda cheese. 😅🇺🇲

[goaded]

@Dongie You're demanding respect and pity? For someone who thinks it's good that people are being put into concentration camps by their leader?

I know you don't need me to tell you what you said, I just think other people might have missed that "You know what? GOOD!" was your reaction to the fact that there are more than 50 people rotting in El Salvador who haven't committed crimes there or in the US thanks to Trump. Many of them hadn't even entered either country before they were detained and sent to a concentration camp.

You can pretend to yourself that you're a poor innocent person being persecuted, but you're not, you're a Nazi.

[Dongie]

Give the signaling a break goaded. Shit! You're no different from all the rest of the leftys.
Let's go to friendly mode.

[goaded]

@Dongie In case you hadn't noticed, I stop talking when the other person stops lying. Well, mostly. When you told the truth about you being enthusiastic about innocent people being put into concentration camps, I thought it was worth a comment about you being a Nazi.

You're not innocent, you're not persecuted, you're not a victim, you want people to die in concentration camps like Anne Frank did. You're a Nazi.

I don't want to be friends with Nazis. That's your thing.

[Dongie]

Blah blah, yeah, stoopid!!

[goaded]

@Dongie You are really dense, aren't you? Like I said, in case you hadn't noticed, I stop talking when the other person stops lying. Well, mostly. When you told the truth about you being enthusiastic about innocent people being put into concentration camps, I thought it was worth a comment about you being a Nazi.

You're not innocent, you're not persecuted, you're not a victim, you want people to die in concentration camps like Anne Frank did. You're a Nazi.

I don't want to be friends with Nazis. That's your thing.

[Dongie]

Kiss all and every bit of my nazi ass!!

[Ariesman81]

Trans women in sports should not be tolerated... period. It's no different than not allowing the use of performance enhancing drugs.

Critical race theory teaches that there are distinct differences amongst the races. It propagates the idea of racism. Why not teach that an individual can overcome adversity with hard work and perseverance? Seems like it would apply to all individuals.

Someone's abilities would never be in question if it weren't for liberals' need for equality. DEI is nothing more than someone saying they need help because they view themselves as a victim or less than. Saying there needs to be more of something means there needs to be less of something else. So yes, DEI is a threat, a threat to standards and performance based hiring practices.

Illegal immigrants have already committed a crime of violating their host nations immigration laws. That is why they are viewed as criminals.

[goaded]

Literally all of that is wrong. Let's start with the final point, which was too long for me to include the whole point.

Over 50 of the people Trump sent to El Salvador had not committed a crime in the United States INCLUDING immigration law. They entered the country legally and had permission to stay.

www.cato.org/.../50-venezuelans-imprisoned-el-salvador-came-us-legally-never-violated-immigration-law
"Shortly after the US government illegally and unconstitutionally transported about 240 Venezuelans to be imprisoned in El Salvador’s horrific “terrorism” prison on March 15, CBS News published their names. A subsequent CBS News investigation found that 75 percent of the men on that list had no criminal record in the United States or abroad. Less attention has been paid to the fact that dozens of these men never violated immigration laws either."

[Ariesman81]

Based on the article you presented, only 25% were found to be legal. And of the entirety of those men, the state department has the authority to revoke their stays. The majority of Americans agreed that this country was under invasion and the election of Trump was in fact a reversal of the prior administration's lack luster performance on border security. Yes, the 25% of these men are a casualty of the incompetency of Biden's open border policy. You can't claim to have fair immigration policy while letting millions enter unchecked. So yes, while it's unfortunate these men were removed without due process, you're placing blame on the wrong individuals.

[goaded]

Only 25% were legal? That's not a problem? Then the Big Lie: "The majority of Americans agreed that this country was under invasion". No, not even the majority of voters voted for Trump, and most of them didn't buy that bullshit.

[Ariesman81]

Okay.

[goaded]

No, your lies are not "OK".

[SmokinAces2000]

How is Biden to blame when Trump had every opportunity to make sure the people he was deporting were actually here illegally? He also has expressed no desire to get them back. I guess Trump can do no wrong. 🐑🐑🐑

[Shiprex]

No, none of this is accurate in the slightest. It's more RW propaganda and nothing more

[Ariesman81]

@SmokinAces2000

On his handling of our nation's boundaries, no he cannot. Liberals' open border policy was about as ignorant as one could get. Biden's administration was actively luring political refugees of Socialist countries using socialism as the bait. Even if you disagree in the "luring" term, his lack of enforcement on the illegal crossings says he either didn't care (ignorance), or worse, wanted it to happen. So, unfortunately, Biden's ignorance of the problem is why the legals now suffer. Sure, Trump could have granted amnesty for all that Biden let come in, but that would have sent a message of weakness. Instead, Trump's administration chose to enforce and deport, signaling that American boundaries are not to be fucked with. Trump was left a mess and chose to clean it up. For that, I'm grateful.

[Shiprex]

Immigration. issues of them working in US should have been treated the way grown up countries treat it. BY HOLDING THOSE WHO EMPLOY THEM accountable but then that would mean most Americans would starve (probably do a lot of good to so many) since most of the farms are staffed by those doing jobs the Trump cult won't do themselves because they LIKE cheap stuff,.
Charge those who employ them, destroy THAT MARKET then the problem goes away.

[Ariesman81]

@Shiprex

Agreed that companies who exploit illegal labor should be prosecuted.

[SmokinAces2000]

So Biden forced Trump to send legal residents to foreign prisons?

[Shiprex]

Why isn't the CHUMP in chief doing that?

[Ariesman81]

@Shiprex

Good question... I hope the administration does. It could be strategic. Eliminate the influx of illegal labor supply first, then go after those who were profiting from it. Or, eliminating the supply of cheap labor affords the companies an option to do the right thing and stay in business.

[Ariesman81]

@SmokinAces2000

No. Trump's administration chose to deal with a mess allowed by Biden's. The state department is afforded the authority to make the call on whether someone should or shouldn't be allowed to stay on a Visa. I tend to agree with this administration that in times of crisis, control needs to be regained.

[SmokinAces2000]

There is no crisis. You admitted that Trump could have granted clemency meaning that those people aren’t here to wreak havoc. You are trying to blame Biden for the fact that people with legal residency here were deported when there was nothing forcing Trump to defy court orders and deport people without finding out if they are actually here legally. All of y'all are clapping like seals watching him do this shit.

[Ariesman81]

@SmokinAces2000

Funding and subsidizing millions of illegals is, in my mind, a crisis. And I'm not trying to blame Biden, I am in fact, blaming Biden for the problem. He let them in. He allowed the use of federal money be used to house them. He turned his back on Americans and gave assistance to everyone but Americans. And made you pay for it. That's not what a man who cares about his house does. And it is the exact reason you lost the election.

[goaded]

95% of immigrants legally work.

[Shiprex]

@Ariesman81
Then you know the Trumptards won't get those cheaper prices OR will be expected to work for free just to get access to society while billionaire corruption at the top gets hundreds of thousands of annual tax reductions. It's been shown AVERAGE and below average US households will be paying for the BULLionaires tax breaks. I bet you're happy with that and the higher prices EVERYONE has to pay but the rich will be able to afford it because they won on the Big Bullshit Bill didn't they?

[Shiprex]

The illegals are not being "funded" any more than they are WORKING and paid then spend IN US and maybe send money abroad (with FEES to US transfer agents) so you can guess who's paying for the rich to get richer

[Ariesman81]

@Shiprex

Billionaire tax breaks? Do you think Trump's tariff on John Deere wanting to move more manufacturing to Latin America was a good move? The tariff penalizes John Deere corporate for utilizing cheap labor and padding the pockets of the executives.

[goaded]

If he targeted a single company rather than a market sector, he was probably after a bribe of some kind, but targeted tariffs to protect important domestic production is generally considered reasonable. Targeting whole countries or continents is not, especially if you give out exceptions to whoever pays you.

Here's the CBO analysis of what Trump's Project 2025 plan will do:

[Ariesman81]

@goaded

I disagree with the bribe statement. I see the use of blanketed tariffs as a sign of consistency. Especially if the goal of said tariffs is to fund the government. And why shouldn't the government incentivize cooperation? It seems like good policy to me.

[Ariesman81]

@goaded

95% of legal immigrants legally work
You cannot substantiate your claim as it is impossible to verify how many immigrants were allowed to enter illegally due to liberals' lack of border enforcement.

[goaded]

Who do you think pays the tariffs? The producer or the consumer?

A producer produces something that costs them $1.50 to make, they sell it at $2 to importers in the US to make a profit of 33%. Trump ups the price to $2.60 (at his new, new tariff of only 30%, down from 145% - Buy Now!). Then what? Walmart decides to keep selling the product at $2.50, making a loss instead of their previous 25% profit? I don't think so. The producer sells at $1.34, a 16c loss, to keep the price to the importer after tariffs at $2? Ridiculous!

It's another tax on consumers.

[Ariesman81]

The importer pays the tariff. I as the consumer have the option to say no, it's too expensive, and look for something that I deem valuable.

[goaded]

So prices go up. Inflation. Caused by Trump.

[Shiprex]

A single company telling the clown show to gtf isn't what his BBB was all about. The lowest paid folk will be paying more in taxes then the most wealthy, THE ONES WITH MORE THAN THEY NEED and with extra to give will be GIVEN EVEN MORE. The proportion of their wealth will be increased while poorer people doing essential service work will be funding that

[Ariesman81]

@goaded

No one is arguing that prices won't go up on imported goods. That is the definition of tariffs. Their purpose is to disincentivize the purchase of imported goods. And if a person chooses to do so, that is a choice the individual can make. Frankly, I am of the belief that inflation needs to happen. But prefer that I have the choice to partake in it rather than the Fed manipulating currency and therefore my purchasing power. Trump's tariff plan puts the control back in the hands of Americans, while also incentivizing growth in the U. S. while also possibly funding the government through said people who choose to purchase imported tariffed goods. It is the rich (or fiscally irresponsible) that will be shouldering the burden.

[goaded]

No one except Trump's cabinet is: ""We do expect a 10% baseline tariff to be in place for the foreseeable future — but don't buy the silly arguments that the U. S. consumer pays," Lutnick said on CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday."

"Dan Ives, global head of technology research at financial services firm Wedbush Securities, estimates iPhones could run consumers $2,300 when tariffs are taken into account – a significant increase from Apple’s newest model’s $1,199 price tag – but a far cry from the $3,500 he estimates it would run consumers if it was made in the U. S."
eu.usatoday.com/.../

[Ariesman81]

At current 30% Chinese tariffs that iPhone is $1558. If someone is in desperate need of a new iPhone, then they will fund the U. S. govt to the tune of $357/phone. Or, they could fix their old phone. Either way, the choice is with the consumer.

[goaded]

Inflation.

[SexyPulse]

Yes, a moral panic is a social phenomenon where a group of people (often the media, politicians, or other influential figures) exaggerates or amplifies the perceived threat of a particular issue, behavior, or group of people, often to the point where it creates widespread fear and anxiety in society. This fear is often disproportionate to the actual threat, if any, that the issue poses.

[goaded]

Absolutely right!

[jshm2]

White people have always killed, enslaved, demonised and subjugated others to benefit themselves. The USA is no different.

The issue is that Trump is so bad at hiding it, unlike his predecessors, that he's even making the White people who usually benefit , uncomfortable.

America is the Fourth Reich and needs to be broken up like the Soviet Union was. Else it will be as bad as Nazi Germany ever could be.

[DonaldDarko]

That Elon Musk is a Nazi or Trump and his supporters are somehow "fascists". That white people have some kind of magical privilege. That America need diversity that telling the truth about homosexuality or tranys is somehow fascism or that "hate speech" will cause actual harm to come to people. The list goes on and on. The more mentally unstable someone is the more susceptible.

[goaded]

"somehow "fascists"."? I think the concentration camp in a foreign country containing people who haven't broken any US laws is a bit of a hint.

[DonaldDarko]

Sounds like bullshit to me. That's a luxury resort they sent them to because all the hotels are full in NYC

[goaded]

You've never heard of CECOT? El Salvador? That at least 50 of the people sent there were in the US legally and never committed a crime while they were there?

www.cato.org/.../50-venezuelans-imprisoned-el-salvador-came-us-legally-never-violated-immigration-law

Do you know what happened to Anne Frank? How did she die?

[andreasderjuengere]

''Moral Panic'' is then just a different name for 'Propaganda''

Adolf Hitler (''Mein Kampf''/ chapter 6) had a few interesting comments on this topic.

[goaded]

Not quite, because it can be a force for good if based on truth. There ought to be moral panics about Trump's lawbreaking, global warming, etc., that there isn't is down to propaganda.

[BCRanger10]

Yes. It's what the left does whenever they don't get their way or when someone asks them a question.

[goaded]

You're as right as usual.

[OddBeMe]

Kinda like how crime hits major lows and crime scare hits major highs.

[goaded]

Yes, exactly like that. Or temporary inflation. The twentieth century had a tripling of violent crime and years on end of double-digit inflation.

[OddBeMe]

Or how a country founded because of a genocide now calls for one in Gaza.

[Jamie05rhs]

By your own definition, the most glaring example of what you just described is Trump Derangement Syndrome.

[goaded]

People using that term are attempting to minimise the very real threats posed by the Trump administration.

But I suspect you mean that the left, pointing out inconvenient facts like that the president is a convicted felon, his SCOTUS practically put him above the law for anything he can claim is official business, that he was obviously intending to let people implement Project 2025, his government is throwing out regulations that protect people's health so companies can pollute more, his actions on immigration are racist, he's deporting people who haven't broken any US laws, including ones on immigration, and is holding them in concentration camps in foreign countries without access to lawyers is just the same as pretending trans people are a real threat and creating laws that in practice make it easier for masculine looking people to enter women's areas.

The difference on the left is that it's all based on facts.

[Jamie05rhs]

Lol okay. Whatever you say.

[Dongie]

We don't put any weight into weaponized justice systems targeting a political rival. You should know this. That's just the lefts way to minimize Trumps presence in his recovered office.

[goaded]

@Dongie Now that's derangement, if you believe Trump isn't all about weaponized justice systems targeting political rivals. They've arrested and charged judges, mayors, and other elected officials, students who did nothing but express opinions that Trump doesn't like have been snatched off the streets and flown into other states. Trump's illegally ordered the IRS to target Harvard. The list goes on.

[Jamie05rhs]

Lol. @goaded you are living up to your name. 😆

[goaded]

That's why I chose it. I respond to lies.

[Dongie]

No gouda, stop lying. The judge hid illegal aliens. That's harboring fugitives. Don't feel you need to fib. If you have nothing, just be quiet. Don't lie!

[goaded]

@Dongie I'm not.

[Dongie]

Oh, I guess you're just ill-informed. Oh-kay!!

[goaded]

@Dongie Nope, still wrong. There's video.

[Dongie]

Video of what? AI lying to us?

[goaded]

@Dongie No, that's your game.

[Dongie]

Oh, right. It's only lies when it agrees with us. Gotcha'!

[goaded]

@Dongie No, it's only lies when it's not true. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

[Dongie]

Sure, it is cheesehead! I find it difficult to understand you pea brains. Ha ha, blah de blah etc...

[Dongie]

That.00001 "trans gender dude broke the girls neck!" One in 50,000 non white is qualified but we see a non white at every airport crashing and killing innocent bystanders. They stand out after the crash don't they?

[goaded]

Are you drunk?

[Dongie]

Not yet!

[AngryCarl2]

Trans women in sport isn't a moral panic. It's a real issue, if you happen to be a woman who plays sport.

[goaded]

The moral panic is more of an issue. Sports governing bodies can take care of these things without the need for laws, children's genitals should not be a question, and big women are being followed into bathrooms by men who claim they might be trans; who is that helping?

[AngryCarl2]

People who follow big women to the bathroom are part of the problem.

[goaded]

The "people who follow big women to the bathroom" are the people who are taken in by the moral panic. That's my point. They wouldn't have done it ten years ago.

Girls up to puberty are bigger and stronger than boys their age; they're definitely better off not having perverts challenging their sex. Over that age, if they're competing with trans girls getting puberty blockers, it's still not a problem. But that would require political assholes not stopping doctors from providing the best treatments to their patients. Adult competition organisers can set their own rules.

[Kaylani]

I think the demographics that are left on this platform are not all that open minded lol

[Theodish_Warrior]

Why would anyone listen to a complete Midwit trying to be smart?

[Panthero80]

Yes, I know what moral panic is. It shouldn't be based on politics.

[beefcakebradybatson]

What say you, MAGANs?

[goaded]

They say: "Fake News!", "Socialism!", "Communism!", "DEI!"... ad nauseam

[beefcakebradybatson]

I know. They're like parrots repeating these false, tiresone narratives.(Hitler began the "fake news" phrase).

[Dongie]

Boulderdash!!

[beefcakebradybatson]

@Dongie It's "balderdash,"genius !!!

[Dongie]

Oh, ok, hoss! I'll not refrain from correcting your arrogant ass hence forth.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Boul shit, it's Boulder Dash, two words. Y'all wrong grandpas

external-content.duckduckgo.com/.../

[Godihateyou]

Nazi Ukraine flag as profile. Opinion discarded

[goaded]

Oh, yeah, that's another lie the right tells.

[Godihateyou]

No that's the truth. You have been lied to by MSN amd CNN. Google Azove and look at all the swastikas you brainwashed turd.

[goaded]

I already know about the Asov battalion. There are more open Nazis in the US than there are in Ukraine, if you don't count the Russian invaders. The lie is that they're in charge of anything, in Ukraine.

[Godihateyou]

There are no open Nazis in America. If there were it wouldn't be over run with Jews and mud bloods.

[goaded]

Again, you seem to have difficulty distinguishing between there being an example of a group of people in a country and them being in charge of that country.

Right now, Trump is sending innocent people to a concentration camp in El Salvador. It doesn't get much more Nazi than that.

[Godihateyou]

Nobody Trump sent to El Salvador is innocent and prison isn't close to a concentration camp. You are intellectually dishonest and stupid

[goaded]

You're either ignorant or lying. Even Dongie has admitted to the truth of it, and to supporting it.

www.cato.org/.../50-venezuelans-imprisoned-el-salvador-came-us-legally-never-violated-immigration-law

The difference between a prison and a concentration camp is that prisons have judicial oversight. CECOT is being used by Trump as a concentration camp. There's no doubt about it.

[Godihateyou]

Cato. org. again opinion discarded. Heil Azov! My white supremacist friend.

[goaded]

Your name fits you, you have nothing but hate and lies.

[Godihateyou]

You are so lost. It's hilarious.

[goaded]

Hate and lies. It's pathetic.

[Godihateyou]

Lies? Just Google it. Ignorance and support of real Nazis like the Ukrainian Azove faction. It's pathetic. Like when Canada gave an award to a Ukrainian WW2 soldier that was a literal Nazi and war criminal.

[goaded]

I already told you, I know about the Azov Battalion; its existence doesn't mean their original founders are running the country, just fighting for it (because they're nationalists). The current US administration, however, loves the help they got from the far right Proud Boys and Oath Keepers when they tried to steal the presidency. They're kidnapping people off the streets and sending innocent people to concentration camps.

[Godihateyou]

I know. You already told me and everyone you support actual nazis while calling people that fight nazis that you dont like nazis
Thats why everyone including your wife laughed at you

[goaded]

Ah, more lies.

[Godihateyou]

ah more truth. Still too stupid to do a simple Google search