Channel your inner Solomon & impress us with your wisdom, not hair splitting, falsehoods or whataboutisms?

[DrPepper12]

[Lliam]

Eliminating mandates is not banning vaccines. People can still get them if they choose to.
But I am absolutely opposed to forcing people to get vaccinated against their will. You shouldn't need a "religious" exemption. You should be entitled to decide for yourself.
So I support Florida and I support RFK, jr.

I got some vaccines as a kid in the late 1950s and maybe early '60s, but there were very few compared to now days.
I have never gotten a flu vaccine and I sure as hell never volunteered for the experimental mRNA covid clot shot.

People who support mandates haven't done their research. They just trust political and media shills. "But... Fauci, Gates, Maddow, Colbert and Biden said vaccines are completely safe and effective. They said 'Trust THE science'".

But if we truly believed in science, the hundreds of doctors, researchers and top global experts who criticized mandates and especially the mRNA jabs wouldn't have been censored, blocked, banned, mocked, slandered, threatened and fired for merely doing science.

The problem is, the WHO, CDC, medical establishment, universities, politicians and media have been captured by the pharma industry's tremendous wealth. They are about profit, not health.

[DrPepper12]

How does one do their own research?

[Lliam]

That's a tough question.
Beginning in the 2010s, I had begun accumulating the smartest, best informed Facebook friends and sources I could find from around the world. They posted on a wide variety of topics. I heard about things I had never before heard in my life and was often spurred to double check, buy books, and do deeper research into certain topics.

Facebook was excellent back then and there was little censorship.

In 2020, people started posting links to articles, interviews, etc. by all kinds of credible experts talking about covid.. And those links often steered me to other experts.

I had to set aside slanderous propaganda that branded honest critics as conspiracy theorists and nut job.

I didn't have any ideological reason to believe anything and I didn't just believe everything I heard.
I took in information that seemed credible, scientific and well documented, and held it in the back of my mind as I continued to gather more information.

It was a confusing time at first, but it gradually became more clear as I used common sense and put 2 and 2 together.

That's what I do with everything.

When Facebook, Google and other on-line companies began demonetizing and de-platforming highly credible sources, and banning the sharing of any information that conflicted with the desired narrative, it looked very suspicious.

But, by then, I was signed up for email notification from several credible sources, so I continued to get updates on the latest forbidden info.

[DrPepper12]

FB & Google & email list of influencers? God help us

[Lliam]

Did I say influencers?

Why did I bother trying to give you a serious answer?

What is gullible is putting any stock at all in broadcast, televised and print corporate media.

[BonzoInBitburg]

The difference is pregnancy isn't a communicable disease. I think vaccines have done a good job eradicating some diseases like polio. I'm not convinced the COVID vaccine was a good idea though. I personally don't support abortion but there's no national law banning it, therefore I don't there is any legal grounds to stop an abortion. However, Roe vs Wade was based on abortions should be allowed until the unborn baby could survive outside the womb and I could live with that. Medical advancements made that date from conception less and less over the years but I think it was still a good guideline and probably shouldn't have been overturned.

[purplepoppy]

It's infants who mostly receive vaccines. So it's best the decision is left to people who are actually qualified rather than parents who get their info off Facebook. Thus the government is not telling you what to do with YOUR body it's saying your an idiot who can't be trusted to make that decision for a child.

And they're right. Billions of parents stuff their kids with junk food, many never see a vegetable. They've proven themselves incapable of making the best decision for their child's health.

The government shouldn't ban abortion because the foetus isn't a human being, it's a collection of cells part of an adult woman making a choice about her own body.

[DrPepper12]

Thus the government is not telling you what to do with YOUR body it's saying your an idiot who can't be trusted to make that decision for a child.

YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!! 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻

[dustybiker2]

Rather than humane options of having the medical requirements available or not by personal choice, immediately. You know. Like they did when we had US patriots in office.

Maga first rule. Cut off the legs and pretend they didn't make it fall. But everyone heard the chainsaw and watched them do it.

The fall of this admin will be delicious.

[Jackblue]

You are right we should have free and mandatory vaccines. Good public hygiene was vital in turning the working masses from toothless peasants with hookworm and dysentery into good, sturdy educated men and women. Abortion should also be outlawed, not to police people's sexuality, but because killing is wrong unless it is war time, necessary to protect the lives of self or others, or a legal death penalty in which the person was fairly tried and convicted. Let us speed up the invention of artificial wombs so that women need not carry children if they don't wish to.

[Anonymous]

I say accuse not thy brother, for that which you did yourself during covid when you lefties tried to force people to get the jabs or lose ability to function in society.

My infinite wisdom provides me with the truths that babies begin to hear by the end of the second trimester. They can recognize voices and begin to learn things. That means they are alive, and aborting them = killing them, which is murderous in my eyes. However, I say let the states decide. Let the people vote and if it be that they thirst for the murder of unborn children, so be it. The devil rejoices in their lust for blood.

[goaded]

Why do you think supporting someone's right to an abortion is the same as wanting people to have abortions? It's completely illogical.

[lightbulb27]

Problem is they view it as another person that is temporarily attached and you aren't allowed to shoot another person in the head, but you have the right to shoot yourself in the head with an experimental potion if you think it's good for you because they tell you it is.

unless you are suicidal... then that's illegal and they will call authorities, whom will tell you that you have to live even if you don't want to.

go figure...

[AviatorTom]

There is a subtle, but important, difference. Vaccine mandate only directly affects the individual person who gets the vaccine. Abortion affects more than the pregnant woman.

[goaded]

Really? What other person?

[AviatorTom]

@goaded I never used the word "person", but there is something inside a pregnant woman that someone getting a vaccine doesn't have. That makes for a subtle yet important difference.

[goaded]

Yes, you did: "only directly affects the individual person". That "something inside a pregnant woman" has the potential to become a person, but it is not a person. It's not even close with early abortions, and late abortions are almost entirely end-of-life decisions by the obvious next of kin where there is little or no chance of survival.

[Screenwriter]

Oh, you're just TOO logical. Why do you think these people are applying rational thought to public health care?

Really.

[Seangreen]

Well that depends on wherever you're at what they consider to be a human life because it could be considered homicide. I don't know I have a moral issue with it people can do whatever they want with their bodies or their children before they pop them out I guess but you know I'll just call it what it is and that's murder

[WindAtMyBack]

That is TOTALLY missing the point. It's the same point that has consistently been missed for the last 50 years. If people haven't figure it out by now, they never will.

The bottom line is that that logic is seriously flawed.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Righties don't think women bright enough to control their reproductive freedom.

[DrPepper12]

FACTS

[fivebyfour]

Men should have the right to demand women murder their own unborn children if it's not convenient to them to be a father,,,

I believe in equal rights for guys!!!

[DrPepper12]

You'd be wrong in this instance

[Dennisjf12]

Yes I agree because what he is doing unreasonable and so unhealthy that it is stupid. Dennis

[exitseven]

Abortion laws are different because with abortion the government is putting something into a baby's body tht the baby would not want.

[DrPepper12]

And they consult the fetus for every molecule that crosses the placenta? C'mon man!

[exitseven]

No just the nozzle of the vacuum cleaner.

[captain_voidwalker]

If we prosecute a drunk driver for double homicide if he runs over a pregnant women should we not also charge a woman who has an abortion with homicide?

[goaded]

Nope.

[DrPepper12]

Uhm... No?

[captain_voidwalker]

Always good to see leftist hypocrisy is alive and well

[goaded]

Not at all. There's a difference between a wanted and an unwanted pregnancy.

[captain_voidwalker]

So you condone child murder under the right circumstances then?

[goaded]

No, because abortion is not murder of a child. The laws involving fetuses only affect the sentence, not the crime.

[captain_voidwalker]

An unborn child is still a child. I dont care what mental gymnastics you perform to convince yourself otherwise

[goaded]

Oh, you're one of those idiots who thinks a single cell should have more rights than the person carrying it. If you could save a thousand frozen fertilised embryos or a baby, you'd choose the baby, wouldn't you?

[captain_voidwalker]

In what way are you violating the mother's rights. She had the right to use birth control, she had the right to act like a responsible adult and not get pregnant until she was ready to have children.
As for you example I'd save both no reason not to.

[goaded]

Except the hypothetical is that you can only save one, the flask or the baby.

[captain_voidwalker]

Then I choose the flasks, 1000 lives vs 1

[goaded]

Then you're a liar, or a monster.

[captain_voidwalker]

Says the guy legalizing baby murder so women can dodge adult responsibilities

[goaded]

You say you would leave a baby to die that you could save.

[captain_voidwalker]

To save 1000 other lives dont leave out the context

[goaded]

To be clear, in case you could save one of these, you'd save the flask.

[captain_voidwalker]

And you would kill a baby just to allow women to avoid the consequences of thier actions

[goaded]

No, I wouldn't. See, that's the difference between us. You make shit up and I don't.

You literally said you'd save the flask with frozen embryos rather than the living, breathing, baby.

"Then I choose the flasks, 1000 lives vs 1"

[captain_voidwalker]

And I stand by it it's 1000 lives vs 1.

[DrPepper12]

Gentlemen!! Relax!! Celebrate your good fortune in masculinity!!💯🏆✌🏻

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Don't conflate the two.

One is malicious and murder of a life and the other isn't.

[DrPepper12]

Malicious. Interesting. Guess no exceptions then, huh?

Oh, murder is for humans, not fetus's

[seeyounexttuesday]

Abortion kills a human. You dot. Have the right to kill another person. Hope this helps.

[DrPepper12]

Fetus. Not human. Fetus.

[seeyounexttuesday]

what kind of a fetus? An elephant? An oak tree? A hammerhead shark?

[Anonymous]

I'm not from USA, so I don't know who that guy is.

But I support women's rights.

[Anonymous]

As long as taxpayers aren't paying for abortion. Ultimately democracy should solve it.

[SoccerPlayer99]

Who cares. Quit living your life by politics. It's cancer. Go be the best human you can.

[MisterWack]

Hmmm you have a point sir.

[Miristheiss]

The child's body IS NOT HER body.

[DrPepper12]

The fetus. It's not a child.

[Likes2drive]

That’s definitely a good point

[Dargil]

Are you grateful your mom didn't abort you?

[Anonymous]

Is there a question here?

[Sal_Monella]

Why? That's your ordinary dialog.

[douride2]

Good point.

[Anonymous]

Let the states decide.

[DrPepper12]

Why?

[Opinion Owner]

Democracy

[Anonymous]

Government control of health is faciscim.

[DrPepper12]

Of course it is. We have the liberty to lead nasty brutish & short lives, right Thomas?

[Opinion Owner]

I have private health insurance like most capable able bodied humans. My life is great. My family has lived into their late 90's and work pays for most of it. Im sorry your life is hard. Have you tried working either harder or smarter?