Do you think Kirk did zero harm to this country?

[Anonymous]

This is just one extreme example of his influence

Yes

No

Other. Please kindly explain your thoughts.

A total of 36 votes were cast: 9 girls and 27 guys. See detailed results

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Why is the image blurred? It's his tweet..
https://i.postimg.cc/NFV9RQVV/IMG-8633.jpg

[Danzigdawson]

He wasn't someone who was just expressing a difference of opinion.

• He was openly and proudly devoid of empathy.
• He wanted women to be powerless, weak, submissive and just accept their lot as the natural order of things.
• He was someone who was trying to make acceptable hate speech against Black people, Muslims and members of the LGBTQ+ community.
• He was indifferent to political violence when the 'left' was the target.
• He was a white christian nationalist advocating for white conservative christian men to rule over all.

[Twalli]

His words and actions were not harmless

[OneViewpoint]

@Wodens_Apprentice ,

Is it your impotence that makes you so angry? Or is it that your mom has a new "boyfriend" every night?

[Twalli]

@Wodens_Apprentice what harmful speech?

[Anonymous]

the biggest thing Kirk did for this country, was engage the youth in discussions and debate--and LISTEN to them. He undid much of the political brainwashing from the left, that says "Trump and anyone who supports him are fascists and literally nazis". 🤣

Charlie Kirk said let's talk about it, when people challenged his ideas, and for that he was murdered. Shot down because the "tolerant left" feared his ability to TALK to the people instead of control them.

His death has shed a light on the darkness and the REAL fascists have been revealed. I wish I could say I'm laughing every time a teacher or professor is getting fired for celebrating the murder of this man, but it's sickening. Sickening to see that those were the people who were influencing young minds. They are now gone, and it's solely because they were incapable of masking their joy over the murder of this one man. Even in death, he's making a positive difference in our country and probably our world.

Any "harm" which you might be considering, is in reality, nothing more than the hate and anger of the left and their inability to control it and express themselves rationally.

Charlie didn't "harm the country" because he said things that some people disagree with. The HARM to the country happened when he was murdered for saying those things.

[KostasKouvalis]

Some of his arguments were complely moronic though and even straight up lies. And that's just it, he wanted people to change THEIR minds, but I don't recall a single instance where he changed HIS mind after debating a student.

[Danzigdawson]

@Anonymous, trump's second term is the process of establishing fascism. It aligns with the definition and criteria of fascism.

Historian Robert Paxton, a specialist on fascism and Vichy France, has long argued that the term 'fascist' has been so overused that it has lost its meaning. He's right. Since the end of World War II, nearly every politician - whether from the right, center, or left - has been labeled a fascist or compared to Hitler.

This is why Paxton did not agree with those who labeled trump as a fascist during his first term. He argued that the situation changed with the attack on the Capitol on January 6, 2021.

Fascism is a very specific ideological structure that is inherently right-wing. However, this does not imply that authoritarianism is exclusive to the right; rather, fascism represents a particular distortion of right-wing politics.

Here's Jason Stanley, a philosophy professor at Yale University. He outlines the characteristics of fascism in detail in a more concise manner than I can. I'll know whether or not you've watched the video through your reply. https://youtu.be/CpCKkWMbmXU?si=5IjzrN_g3rTXkN-d

[Miristheiss]

Kirk was a great man.

It is sad so many believe the utter bullshit lies spread about him.

A nazi? A fascist? A racist? Hate speech? Anyone who believes ANY of that shit obviously just believes some leftist talking point about him. They haven't really listed to any of his speeches or debates.

It is pretty sad people believe that vile filth.

That is the left though. Lie, demonize, every one is some sort of derogatory word that makes them "evil" and they can be cancelled. You never have to win a debate or prove your ideas are better with someone that is too "evil" to even listen to.

"They will call good evil and evil good"

[Asker]

You never watched his show?

[Miristheiss]

I've listed to hours and hours of him over several years.
What is you implying?

[Asker]

Not implying. He shared a lot of radical opinions. I'm curious how anyone calling for a presidents death would be considered great. As just one example. I'd never think that of anyone.

[Miristheiss]

I've watched him for years. Never heard him say that. But, you wokies calling him racist and nazi and fucking bullshit like that usually don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Someone told you he was bad so you just believe it. Fuckers have been calling everyone nazis and racists for the last 10 fucking years and you sheep just get your marching orders from MSNBC or wherever you get your little indoctrination from and run with your lies.

[Asker]

I could play a direct video clip of him saying just that. I wouldn't smear someone. Just quote them directly these days. They can speak for themselves long after death.

[exitseven]

Charlie Kirk was a patriot that popularized the MAGA movement among young peopel across the country. I worked at a small private college for a few years when Biden was president. I started to notice students with Trump stickers on their laptops and now maybe I thin Charlie Kirk was responsible for that.

[Asker]

All evidence to the contrary. In his own words no less.

[DonaldDarko]

He did say if his daughter were impregnated by rape he'd want her to have the rapists child. That's pretty evil shit and all too common on the right. Other than that he did a lot of good.

[KostasKouvalis]

Plus he's a hardcore Protestant. Yeah, that's pretty dark. These fucking religious fanatics man

[DonaldDarko]

@KostasKouvalis You'll get no argument from me there. Or on the 1%. They'd happily kill us both.

[Wodens_Apprentice]

So you're for abortion then. Don't be dishonest, tell people why he believes that.

[DonaldDarko]

@Wodens_Apprentice Here's my stance. Pro gun , pro choice and pro freedom. Ultimately we'll probably have to cut the country in half or something but that will be possible once the elites are out of the picture.

[Wodens_Apprentice]

@DonaldDarko
For the aborted fetus there was never a chance at freedom. That thing had a future & it was taken from it & never allowed to exist.

[DonaldDarko]

@Wodens_Apprentice Abortion is already illegal after a certain amount of time, so what? If it doesn't have a brain it's a house plant.

[Wodens_Apprentice]

That thing has a strong chance to develop into a lifeform. You're taking away the chance for this person to have a future. Why would murder be bad if you target someone unconscious & make sure they don't suffer?
Is it just because of their family or is it because you're deleting someone's future?

[DonaldDarko]

@Wodens_Apprentice The law agrees with you it just isn't as extreme. Abortion is illegal after a certain amount of time. Earlier than that you've got a cluster of cells that probably would become a full fledged human being. It isn't exactly like a man laying there asleep and you killing him to take his wallet or something. Being a clump of cells that never drew breath to begin with just isn't the same thing, it's a might be vs an is.

[Wodens_Apprentice]

The odds of it being a "might be" are incredibly low once the sperm cell has developed in the egg. It's no longer the equivalent to masturbation & at that point you are actually preventing a future person, who likely would've existed from existing.
How is that any different from killing someone in their sleep without suffering? It's a cold, calculated decision that doesn't regard what that person wants/would've wanted.
Humans are just a cluster of cells anyway.

[DonaldDarko]

@Wodens_Apprentice The difference is that you can' t take life away from someone who doesn't exist and whether they will or not is irrelevant. Who would want the dysgenic offspring of a rapist such as we see in the UK walking the earth anyway?

[Wodens_Apprentice]

Well if you're for eugenics, selective breeding & racial selection I'm all ears but that's not usually what you center-rightwing, morally Christian Trump voters want (I don't think you're actually Christian though if you support abortion).
But I still see it for what it is. Erasing somebody's existence & future when they were predestined to exist. I have a different set of morals when it comes to death & murder then most modern people influenced by a Christian framework however.
I'd say that ceasing someone's existence is taking someone's life away & that they do exist in a primitive form. Even if you don't classify a semi-developed cell as a proper enough lifeform yet (it arguably is) having your existence prevented is arguably worse then murder because at least if you murder someone they had a chance to experience life first.
Another argument for making a abortion illegal is that women would police who they have sex with more, which means more promiscuous women destroyed by the internet which results in more normies having a wife & therefore less raging bitter incels that will rip our country apart. As a global population white people are the vast minority & we got a lot of catching up to do.
I'm a pagan so yes we had blood feuds & would often target the clan (family) of those who wronged us. From that perspective you can justify aborting the product of rape but we shouldn't ignore the philosophical & spiritual implications of abortion like the left do. So women will repeatedly have abortions as a kind of contraception which disgusts me.

[DonaldDarko]

@Wodens_Apprentice I'm not Christian, I see religion as instructive mythology not literally true. I am for selective breeding but also for human enhancement. Humanity right now is just a bunch of chimps compared to what could be.

[Wodens_Apprentice]

@DonaldDarko
It's thanks to Christianity that the weak get to live & the strong no longer thrive.
I believe in fate however & I do see it as removing someone's chance at life.
In previous eras men became glorious or died in combat trying.

[DonaldDarko]

@Wodens_Apprentice That didn't always weed out the sick, all you needed was athletic talent and some cunning to move up the ranks. Not unlike it is in Africa today. Not that it doesn't work, just that it's jungle tier. The weak should be weeded out in a laboratory before they are ever even born.

[Wodens_Apprentice]

@DonaldDarko
The sick on Europe were ritually purged though. Execution trials that European Christians practiced in western & Northern Europe (which happens to be territories all Germanic people ruled over) executed degenerates by beheading, hanging & drowning.
This just so happens reflect be how Tacitus recorded the Germanic tribes practiced human sacrifice. They would find sexual deviants, cowards & oath breakers & drown them in a bog with wicker trapping them inside.
They would also place mans head on a block or piece of stone & club his head to death as a sacrifice to the Thunderer (often times in language Hammer & Axe mean the same thing & were understood as the same. Hence Thor's hammer becoming Perun's axe).
Also the Romans found an entire legion of their own soldiers hanging off trees with spear wounds to their kidney (similar imagery to Jesus here). They later recorded the Germanics doing this as a sacrifice & it mirrors Odin's story when sacrifices himself by hanging himself from a tree & stabbing his own kidney to learn the meaning of the runes (which allow to manipulate Wyrd, which is fate & cognate with "Word" & "Weird").
Germanic Christians didn't suddenly just forget their mythology entirely. They continued to believe in these concepts. So when they executed people their executions mirror the methods they had during their prechristian times.
Also I can't find a whole lot of evidence that Europeans would commit sacrifices to feed some kinda spirit like in other cultures. It appears to have existed to correct a perceived imbalance or send willing messagers to the gods (that's what Orpheus influenced Zalmoxians did who believed in reincarnation anyway).
That's why Europeans aren't sick minded Africans. Africans would often show their dominance by slave raising each other & sacrificing their enemies to Bida the Snake God, as an act of dominance rather then justice.

[DonaldDarko]

@Wodens_Apprentice Yet today the degenerate and the deformed are still with us. It's better that those who can read the genetic code it's self weed out the dysgenic. Also there was no enhancement. We can potentially change humanity regrow limbs increase strength, longevity, disease resistance. Humanity as it is will probably go extinct in a few hundred years if left to it's self. It's to animalistic, corrupt, sociopathic. The George Soroses of the world will bring it down. I say scrap all of that and build a new creature that will have a chance.

[Anonymous]

If you're going to say that him giving his opinion and speaking his mind harmed the country, you'll have to admit that the rhetoric from the left is harmful as well.

[Asker]

This is not an opinion. He paid for 80+ buses to aid in inciting a "fight" at the capitol.

[Opinion Owner]

So? Your point?

[Asker]

Is pretty clear

[Opinion Owner]

Don't act like the left doesn't do anything like that.

[Snakeyes7]

Did you even look at the tweet? This was posted on the 4th. There is no way he would have known that it would end up the way it did.

[Anonymous]

Charlie was not perfect, but he did FAR more good than bad for our country.

[DrPepper12]

LMFAO no. He was a metastatic cancer.

[FunkyMonkee]

ABSOLUTELY!!!