Did you read that Trump murdered 14 MORE people?

[Anonymous]

The U. S. military struck four vessels suspected of carrying drugs in the eastern Pacific, officials said Tuesday, a significant escalation of the Trump administration’s campaign against alleged traffickers in the Western Hemisphere.

Fourteen alleged traffickers were killed in the strikes, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said on social media, bringing the total to nearly 60 killed in more than a dozen strikes since early September. The latest operation, carried out Monday, included a rescue mission of one survivor launched by Mexican authorities, Hegseth said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/10/28/drug-boat-strike-mexico-pacific-hegseth/?

[Kelley1]

That is insignificant comparred to the millions that other presidents murdered.

[Asker]

No, it is not insignificant. There is no such thing as an insignificant guess despite what you might wish. This matters a lot.

[Kelley1]

It is not unreasonable to say, "All lives are important." However, compared to millions, 14 is insignificant.

[Asker]

In your mind, yes, unless of course they were 14 of YOUR relatives.

[Kelley1]

That's impossible.

[exitseven]

Let's wait until we get the total number of fentanyl deaths in 2026 and see how much of a win this is for the Trump administration. It has gone down a lot even by just closing the border. It will be next to nothing this time next year

[Asker]

That holds your breath regarding this. Fentanyl comes in the country from Mexico for the most part and is usually brought in by white people on claims.

In case you hadn't noticed, Trump is busy committing his crimes in the Caribbean where he has been murdering people. I believe the total is up to about 60 right now. Please don't hold me to that. The people in the Caribbean where I've done a lot of sailing are fishing so I suppose if you want to limit fish imports. This is a good way to do it. I have a feeling that's not the goal, but I don't think that drug interdiction is the either. I think intimidation and personal aggrandizement are Trump's goals.

So if you think murdering people in the Caribbean as Trump is doing is going to somehow limit the supply of fentanyl. I'm afraid you're going to be very disappointed.

[exitseven]

An open skiff with 4 250 HP outboard motors is not fishing for marlins and neither is a submersible.

[Asker]

Yes I understand in your world you can't imagine anybody doing that to a boat. Which just goes to shows you have absolutely no experience with boats. I do. A lot. They were probably transporting at least two or three of those motors to another location and decide to test them or just use them on the boat. Those things burn a lot of gas so it's not exactly for distance travel. I know you think it is somehow and you are wrong about that. As far as the semi-submersible goes, the thing you keep referring to incorrectly as a submarine is simply a craft designed to be partially submerged while traveling. This is to avoid waves and rough conditions to some extent and it works. I don't like writing on one because they're uncomfortable but some people enjoy them and feel like the motion is a lot more palatable and easy to deal with in the motion of a craft that rides mostly on the surface. None of this has anything to do with drug dealer. Just like none of these people have anything to do with drug dealing and nothing that you say is going to change that.

[exitseven]

I grew up on an island. I know a lot about boats and have owned a few of them. I have known a drug runner when I was younger. He used to go offshore to meet a larger boat that get drugs to sell them. Guess what kind of boat he had?

[Asker]

Oh well. Yes, your Island experience is of course representative of all drug runners from the entire world, right?

[exitseven]

no but it is enough for me.

[Asker]

You didn't even need that. All you needed was the words coming out of Trump's distorted mouth from his distorted brain for you to take it seriously. Do you think there might be something wrong with your own thinking?

[exitseven]

Not when it comes to drug smugglers. I would rather err on the side of caution to keep this poison out of out shores.

[Asker]

You seem to completely misunderstand. There is not a shred of evidence that these people are drug smugglers, which means the odds are they were simply fishermen. Why are you so convinced that they are drug smugglers? Because Trump said so? You actually believe that liar?

[DrPepper12]

See how easy it is for the story about Tom home and taking a $50,000 bribe to just disappear? Steve bannon's plan of flooding the zone with shit is absolutely exquisite and effective

[OlderAndWiser]

You would prefer that we respect these criminals' right to live their lives while they bring us drugs that will kill our young people. Brilliant!

[Asker]

Shame on you. You are a lawyer and you know better, or at least you should. There is absolutely no evidence that they were criminals or drug dealers, other than the murderer, grifter, child molester, and convicted felon said so.

Do you consider that to be good evidence?

If you find out for sure that he molested children, what excuses will you make for him then?

[Amy10223]

Thank you for pointing this out to a supporter of the felon/rapist/grifter in chief. And you are right, there is no evidence these people are drug dealers. Even if they ARE, murdering them is no option ever!

[OlderAndWiser]

@Amy10223 TDS on steroids!

[Asker]

I was absolutely shocked that this person who I am very familiar with and who in the past has posted wise and insightful things. All of a sudden seems to be supporting murder. I find that very disheartening. I thought he was someone we could rely on for reasonableness and decency and I guess I was wrong to hold that belief.

[OlderAndWiser]

You are shocked that reasonable people can disagree with you. That is not very tolerant.

Drug deaths in this country are a gargantuan epidemic. It is obvious that China encourages drug smuggling into the US as a covert means of attacking us. If you choose to not fight back, that is your decision, but everyone else is not obligated to agree with you.

[Asker]

I am shocked at your immorality, and I am shocked that you would support murder. I somehow thought you were better than this.

[OlderAndWiser]

Your self-righteous indignation is noted and will be afforded the respect it deserves.

[Amy10223]

The right has invented that term to call us crazy because we don't like Trump and his beliefs, his corrupted ways, the fact that he is an adulterer/rapist/conman/ tax cheater/racist/ narcissistic and brainless man. I don't recognize him as my president. He caters to people like YOU--who are misogynistic as well. The Asker, a male, said "Shame on you--you should know better than to say what you did--" and I agree with him. Yet--you didn't answer him. Instead, when I, a woman, said the same thing and I agreed with the Akser--right away like the MISOGYNISTIC idiot you are--you come charging at me. You're a brainwashed cowards, is what you are.

[Asker]

Your support for the crime of murder is likewise noted. No respect, sorry.

[Amy10223]

I'm not condoning drugs--but the way you think only China is to blame for drugs--is ridiculous. They were our main exporters of drugs, as in medicine, in 2021. And there were also illegal drugs smuggled in. But we are no better, and you fail to mention it.

Illegal drug exports
The illicit drug trade is a complex, global criminal enterprise, and while the U. S. is more widely known as a destination for illicit drugs, it is also a source for illegal drug exports. This can happen in a few ways.

Source of production: While Mexico and China are the primary source countries for illicit fentanyl and precursor chemicals, U. S.-based criminal groups or individuals can produce illicit drugs and traffic them abroad.

Transit point: The U. S. can also serve as a transit country where illegal drugs are moved before being trafficked to other international markets. Illicit trafficking is not a one-way street, and organized criminal groups use various routes to move drugs globally.

Trafficking methods: Criminals can export illegal drugs from the U. S. via various methods, including mail and express consignment services. The DEA tracks the international flow of these illegal narcotics and related chemicals.

[Amy10223]

Asker, I would not be so shocked by "OlderAndWiser" . He has said some things before that make me question his morality as well.

[Asker]

@Amy10223 The man is a lawyer by profession, and as such I would expect him to at least have some respect for truth and evidence or absence of proof - and yet - he apparently does not. He talks of "TDS," which is, of course, shorthand for saying "Anyone who disagrees with me regarding Trump is 'crazy." I I think this acronym of TDS should be reinterpreted as "Trump Defense Syndrome," which means "I will do anything I have to do to defend any and all of Trump's actions and words because Trump can do no wrong and he never lies."

You decide which one of these is crazier.

[beefcakebradybatson]

As Trump commits more murders that were there REAL justice, would land him in The Hague !!!

[BarryLiverstone]

Of course