Do the maga crowd see that Hegseth et al throwing the Admiral under the bus as good?

[Shiprex]

Recently US military have been attacking foreign vessels claiming they're drug running and thus legitimate WAR targets and using the excuse of survivors being able to recover and contact others to carry on the "mission" of moving through international waters.

However, even in the Trump circus, attacking living survivors is a war crime. That the commander who gave the orders is now being lined up to fall on his sword as the Governor of War Hegseth now denies telling him to "kill them all", do Trumpets loyal cult see this as acceptable to throw military commanders to the war crimes court fir commands issued by the drunkard former werkend TV show host Pete Hegseth?

Is governance ever accountable in Magastan?

[lightbulb27]

most Pres/Govts have done that. Clinton killed people, Carter got a bunch of our guys killed, Bush killed/murdered millions, etc.. It's never the fault of the guy at top, exception Nixon.

As far as I know, they made the wrong decision rather than picking them up. But I wasn't there nor addressing the issues they had. Pete needs to stop taking "roids" asap? Remember, we had a big issue in Afghanistan where some bad guys blew a bunch of our people to bits. Aren't you glad it wasn't you forced to stand there in such a dangerous place? How you feel about forcing more people to go and pull these guys out of the boat? We don't want to see that on the high seas. But this is likely different and should give some option to surrender, we expect that of others. We cannot be devils and we must take the high road being the global power.

So, it looks like they are wrong!

I think they are overstepping their bounds as it is and should get congress support in this war on traffickers... that have murdered under biden well over ready for this... over 100,000 Americans! ... to cover their A$$. But they don't ask me...

Curious, how Fing pissed are you gonna be if someone you care about is killed by these people? At least, the govt is taking action to shut it down. But still... I think they were wrong on that call!

I think their renaming to the DOW is also wrong.

there's a lot I don't agree with. They are creating a lot of fodder for someone else, like AOC and Jasmine to run the next govt, god help us. When that happens, we can kiss our A$$ goodbye.

[SeekerOfTruth007]

If i was Trump, I'd cite the Constitution giving me powers against Pirates and other criminals on the High Seas, and I'd order a THIRD strike on the boat just for shits and giggles.

[Shiprex]

It's against the law

[SeekerOfTruth007]

No it's not. Read the fucking constitution.

[FreyaRed]

There is no law if no one executes it. I think Venezuela should take care for their own citizen, fishers and smuggler. Then send few friendly torpedoes or hyper sonic missiles on USN vessels in their economic maritime zone. They got enough money over decades from oil, I'm sure Venezuelan oligarch could finance two or tree modern super quit German U-boots and Chinese hyper sonic missiles to do the job.
Until now they just cry and do nothing.

[msc545]

I don't know what MAGA thinks or if they think at all, but that admiral obeyed an illegal order and murdered people. That was an order he should have refused, in my opinion, and he's guilty as hell.

[goaded]

Literally a textbook example of a clearly illegal order.

[msc545]

@goaded, yes, that is an example in the Uniform Code of Military Justice used to illustrate the law regarding it. It's amazing it happened that way.

[exitseven]

Pete Hegseth said that he would, have given the same order. He did not throw the Admiral under the bus.

[Shiprex]

Since it's a war crime and hegseth avoids admitting he told them to kill the survivors suggesting it's the admiral who chose, he's either gonna fess up to war crimes or the admiral gets sent to jail.

[exitseven]

there was not war crime and nobody is going to jail.

[Shiprex]

It's a war trump has said US is having although civilians are targets, i don't think Trump understands war. They shot up a civilian vessel then shot up the survivors. That's murder.

[msc545]

On what basis do you say it wasn't a war crime? Are you able to read at all? If so, look at the Uniform Code of Military Justice and then tell me that wasn't a war crime.

[exitseven]

@msc545 it is in international waters. They are fair game.

[msc545]

No, they are not fair game. Where do you get this garbage? Just because somebody is an international waterer does not automatically make it okay to do whatever the hell you want to them. Please stop making up these ridiculous things.

[Shiprex]

That's nonsense. Whete tf is your knowledge of international law from?

[msc545]

I don't know. I mean, I like Exit, but honestly, he just makes up things out of whole cloth and expects other people to believe them, which is really weird and kind of disturbing.

[exitseven]

@msc545 These vessels were not displaying a flag of origin. They are considered pirates. There is universal jurisdiction and crimes like piracy , drug trafficking and slave trading can be prosecuted by any nation.

[msc545]

Look, I've done a lot of sailing all over the world. I've seen a lot of boats. Nobody is required to display a flag of origin. That's another theory that you're making up in an attempt to not admit the truth in this situation. You need to stop doing this and you need to realize that there's really a problem here. These people are not pirates. Pirates are people that stop other boats and kill everybody on the boat and rob it. They don't do that. These are fishermen. You really, really, really need to understand they've done nothing wrong. The only people that have done anything wrong are the people that killed them.

[NathanDavis]

that's just the American way...

[Shiprex]

Yeah never thought of it like that

[NathanDavis]

and that's not as bad as it gets...

it is well known that America also goes even harder when they act through hired "military" as mercenaries are not under the same limitations that the registered armed forces... because then they can say "it was not our military who did it but contractors who over reached"

tomato, tomato...

[Shiprex]

This is correct they think they can do as they please as they have been doing covertly for decades around the world. But this shit show in charge aren't smart enough to cover it UP in my opinion

[FunkyMonkee]

No, because we don't waste our time with CNN and the bullshit they make up every day.

[Shiprex]

Make up?
The circus admit it, broadcast it then muddy the waters so the admiral takes the fall.

[FunkyMonkee]

Yes!! Make up!!