Why do so many people see self-denial as wisdom or moral virtue?

[Anonymous]

Slave morality I mean.

[strateguy632]

This is one of the prongs of the woke attack on American culture. People online express "hate to rich americans" by talking as if 'minimal' is better, better than American luxury lifestyle. but that lifestyle doesn't BENEFIT anyone. It is only motivated as part of woke.

[msc545]

Many people are guilty about something and think they deserve punishment, but they don't want the punishment from others so they'd rather inflicted on themselves

[Asker]

First smart thing I've heard from you, but I'll give credit

[Simslover92]

I think to deny oneself of things like sex, love, etc. can bring on a good form of change and understanding in oneself and therefore afford you with wisdom that many might not get by not spending time with getting to know themselves and forgoing things like sex. But it doesn't always I agree. It depends on how a person takes it in.

[strateguy632]

You don't need to be a nun! If your goal is "understanding in oneself' then that needs direct attention! So if done , can still do stuff married people do, twice a week. If not attentive , then self denial won't help that so it
is just masochism.

[Cyfris]

I think because many people realize the benefit of later as apposed to right now as a way to more healthily achieve goals that reap greater rewards.

[Asker]

I don't mean of instant gratification, I mean as in to stop wanting, period

[Cyfris]

That is something I have no concept of. I have never seen anyone like that.

[strateguy632]

But asker said denial not delay. Like zero chocolate ever.

[Cyfris]

@strateguy632 Yeah I didn't get that at first. Had I, I would not have commented. I don't know anyone who does that let alone so many people that do that.

[Dargil]

They do it so they can cast judgment on others and improve their self esteem. Democrats do that

[Mike_Hum]

It's a benefit to delay immediate gratification. It's maturity.

[Asker]

I didn't say immediate gratification. Understanding the question is a sign of intelligence.

[Mike_Hum]

Self-denial is the restraint, curbing, or sacrifice of one's own desires, impulses, or interests, often to serve a higher purpose, moral principle, or religious conviction

so delayed satisfaction 100% fits. You tried.

[Asker]

Higher purpose such as?

[Mike_Hum]

Could be anything. God, leaving a legacy (via children), the good of the society

[Asker]

I dont think God cares if you masturbate

[Mike_Hum]

God cares if you sin.

[Asker]

What is sin, explain it and why would God make it?

[Mike_Hum]

You can look that stuff up.

[Asker]

Nobody can give an actual answer, at best I get cause God says so

[Mike_Hum]

No, God didn't create sin. he created a framework for living and gave humans free will, and we choose to sin.

[Asker]

No no no, God created everything. If he didn't create it it wouldn't exist. Now, what makes sin sin?

[Mike_Hum]

again, I'm not your minister. Go ask a priest.

[Asker]

You're only saying that cause you can't answer the question. Are you a believer? If so you should be able to answer

[Mike_Hum]

lol. you're trying.

[Asker]

No really, why can't you Christians give a straight answer?

[Mike_Hum]

I gave you the answer

[Asker]

No, you basically said "Google it" cause you can't answer the question instead of being honest and saying "I don't know."

[Mike_Hum]

I literally told you that God created a framework with rules and gave humans free will. When they disobey those rules that’s sin. There’s nothing else to it. If you want to deliberately act like an idiot that’s on you.

[Asker]

If he created all he created sin, why is disobedience sin?

[Mike_Hum]

Ok if you want to be willfully ignorant that’s on you now.

[Asker]

You can't defend your faith, God is pissed

[Mike_Hum]

Yawn. You are trying so hard.

[Anonymous]

Self denial of what?

[Asker]

Any sort of pleasure