Gun owners: In the spirit of compromise, would you be willing to sell your guns to the government and replace them with smart guns?

[strawberryapple]

Smart guns are based on biometrics like handprints or facial recognition. Some also have a keypad to enter a pin number in able to fire.

[Surely]

Electronics can be hacked and or jammed. Plus the battery can go dead!
I’ll keep the old fashioned kind!

[strawberryapple]

I researched it, and they can’t be hacked any more than your couch.

[Surely]

@strawberryapple. Thank you for the MHO! 🔫

[Bricealan]

@strawberryapple Looks like the mods took off the wise guy's smart mouth comments and both of our responses to him? !

[Surely]

@FrankBruno All good points ! And our government isn’t anything to be concerned about? I am sure that they would somehow include an RFID transmitter. So they can track them.

[strawberryapple]

@Bricealan
I deleted him.

[Bricealan]

@Surely the sun could go Nova too, and we'd all be dead. Why the Devil's Advocate?

[darkcloud1945]

Major corporations with hundreds of millions of dollars of security can't stop hackers, so what makes you think a gun block is going to stop hackers?

[Surely]

@darkcloud1945 That is my thought exactly. If anyone can develop a firewall. Somebody else can figure out how to get through it!

[Surely]

@Bricealan I my lifetime. I have seen stupid and underhanded things done by government that want to control your every move.

[Mike_Hum]

what guns? All mine fell overboard in a tragic boating accident.

[strawberryapple]

Did the saltwater corrode the serial numbers off of them?

[Mike_Hum]

I guess. That's up to poseidon, now.

[Surely]

I’ll bet a lot of gun owners will be taking their firearms fishing!

[Surely]

Not too many decades ago. The guns were not manufactured with serial numbers. Need an antique!

[strawberryapple]

Or you could get a gun with a serial number that’s not registered to you.
My gun isn’t registered.

[Bricealan]

@strawberryapple mine had to be registered because I was in a law enforcement Academy

[bolverk]

No smart gun has ever been sold on the commercial market in the United States. While some companies are developing smart firearms, none have successfully brought the technology to market due to reliability concerns.
While the 'Biofire' is for sale in all 50 States firearms users will not trust them to operate as advertised and at around $1500 they are not cheap.
Until Firearms owners see pistols the like of 'Biofire' being used by a Police department for a significant number of years they will not consider them, and in realirty it is in Police departments where these pistols will make the biggest inpact as the will stop Officers being killed/wounded with their own weapon.
I lived in the US for ten years and in my time at the various ranges, the group that I saw that had the highest number of negligent discarges were those in Law Enforcment, not civilian shooters, which you think is counter intuative but it is true.
Negligent firearm discharges are significantly more common among law enforcement than among law-abiding civilians. Studies indicate that there have been at least 1,422 unintentional discharges by police since 2012, highlighting the frequency of such incidents in law enforcement.

[strawberryapple]

My question was intended to be smart guns versus no guns. It was also intended to be smart guns versus guns that have to be kept by law in a safe or with a trigger lock.

[bolverk]

When I lived in the US I did not have that problem, this was before the Firearms Laws in the US got hijacked by forces that want to disarm or make it difficult for people to defend themselves.
I've got to use one of these 'Biofire' pistols, and frankly I'm not impressed by them. In the off chance that the power source fails or there is a failure on any of the circut boards the pistol is effectivly bricked, that is why firearms owners will reject any firearms with any kind of bio metric lock, in the past there was a pistol that used a magnet lock to do the same as the biometric lock.
Magna Trigger Safety Ring Modification (extremely Rare}
The magnet lock is a "Magna Trigger." It was very popular with law enforcement agencies in the northeast.
A few thousand were installed in the 70s and 80s.
The Magna Trigger is where the front strap has been replaced with a magnet lock contraption and requires the user
to wear a magnetic ring This and this alone will allow the handgun to fire.
The Magnetic mechanism works flawlessly when the Ring is placed on the middle or Ring finger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EBakt77GAE

[KostasKouvalis]

I'm not a gun owner, but if I was, I WOULD. Those actually exist?😲

https://www.youtube.com/embed/3G7XpAc4ZTM

It still wouldn't solve gun violence and mass shootings though. The most it would do is prevent others from using your gun

[strawberryapple]

They exist and I just heard about them on TV. Some states require homeowners to keep a trigger or cable lock on their guns at home. Or even a gun safe. This is to protect children. I thought this was a clever idea.

[KostasKouvalis]

Yeah, but I don't know how they can actually enforce the law in someone's home

[strawberryapple]

Well, if there’s an incident in your home and you have to shoot someone, it wouldn’t hurt to have a gun safe or a trigger lock handy, even though you don’t use it. they will never know if those things were in use at the time of the shooting.

[Surely]

Good idea!

[exitseven]

no, my guns stay with me. Too many gadgets thst can go wrong. I would not stake my life on such a ridiculous thing.

[strawberryapple]

I was mainly wondering if the anti-gun crowd would accept these as an alternative to banning guns if they could.

[exitseven]

Some electronic device that reads my hand print. what could go wrong?

[strawberryapple]

The type with the pin number would seem to be the best. You could punch four numbers in the keypad quicker than you can open it safe.

[darkcloud1945]

Great, someone fires at a cop, and he has to enter a PIN to shoot back, and no, I would not sell my guns to the government because they would most probably give me guns that they could turn off or restrict their operation, thus making you, for all practical purposes, unarmed. This sounds like a plan from the AMERICA LAST DEMOCRATIC COMMUNIST PARTY OF AMERICA to continue to try to destroy the Republic.

[strawberryapple]

Cops would be exempt, as would anyone carrying outside of the home. This is more of an alternative to gun safe. Nobody carries their safe with them when they leave home.

[darkcloud1945]

I still would not change my guns for the government for any reason because we all know the government lies, just look at what the government lied about with COVID-19, and is still lying! (

[strawberryapple]

Some states require home guns to have trigger locks or able locks or gun safes. I personally would just throw caution to the wind and risk the cops catching me.

[darkcloud1945]

Trigger lock in the house is ok. Yes, I would carry and worry about the cops later, besides, here in NYC, if you get arrested within an hour, you are released due to no bail

[strawberryapple]

I thought they only released the bad guys. They might crucify you. 😆

[Bricealan]

@strawberryapple no, but I will take a smart gun in addition to my Beretta 92fs

[strawberryapple]

That works

[strawberryapple]

I blocked him too.

[strateguy632]

james bond had a gun like that. only he can shoot. when a thug stole it the thug could not shoot. but would the government give me this expensive hi tec gun for free? in an emergency people do not have time to enter the pin number!

[strawberryapple]

Some states require your home protection gun have a trigger lock, a trigger capable or even a gun safe to store your gun. I was just wondering what people thought of this alternative. I believe in Australia they had a government buyback on guns, so they didn’t just confiscate them. So in this hypothetical question I’m suggesting the government buyback your regular guns and you use the money to get a smart gun.

[Cidknee]

No. There are to many variables that could end with another needing to fire the weapon.

[strawberryapple]

I didn’t write the question very good. I meant would this be a better alternative than gun bans or having to lock your gun in the safe.

[Cidknee]

I'd be afraid it wouldn't serve me in a crises. If a ban was installed by the government it probably wouldn't last long. Homecinvasion and other crimes would skyrocket.

[strawberryapple]

I think the best solution would be to buy a tiny cheap gun safe, but never use it. They would never be able to prove if your gun was in a safe prior to you shooting the intruder.

[Cidknee]

I've got one.

[Pterodon]

No way in hell. I have the ones I want and they’re perfect for me

[strawberryapple]

I regret my wording on this. I was mostly wondering if the gun haters would go for it rather than a gun ban. I doubt it.

[nolabels]

No.
My guns are mostly family heirlooms, not replaceable.

[ohsheeT]

No because just like smart TV you can be spied on so smart guns can be turned off to where you can't get into them probably when you need them

[strawberryapple]

A smart TV connects to the Internet, a smart gun does not.

[ohsheeT]

Have you seen the new wifi. Donr need to plug it in hold a charge forever works anywhere see the new cameras. Something no wifi. Just a telephone number

[ohsheeT]

Don't get me wrong it's a good idea for a lot of people I don't know enough about them to say yes

[strawberryapple]

Smart guns are designed specifically to not connect to the Internet. Your biometrics and other information are stored locally on the gun only.

[jjr23]

Absolutly not. the firs supposably safe gun was for police they were a ring that unlocked there weapon. it was 100% rejected but police every ware

[jahaims]

No, electronics fail. You don't understand the hobby or firearms if you think that is a good compromise.

[strawberryapple]

Why would you think I don’t understand this concept? I’ve learned that writing lengthy descriptions along with your questions on this site is a complete waste of time. Nobody will read past the actual question if they even read the entire question.
But some states require home firearms to have trigger locks or trigger cables or a safe to secure the gun. When someone kicks your door in it 3 AM in the morning, I can’t imagine being able to open a safe fast enough. So when I discovered smart guns on TV, I wonder what you guys thought about them. Also, I’m sure that deep blue states are trying to take their guns completely, I thought this might be a good compromise.
So imagine you live in a state like Massachusetts. An intruder breaks in in the middle of the night, you grab your gun and shoot them. Now the police come out and arrest you for not having your gun secured. In some cases you might do more time than the criminal.

[Pohjolan]

That's just a unnecessary point of failure that can work to prevent theft.

A gun safe is better.

[strawberryapple]

I think I would prefer that to a trigger lock.

[Ariesman81]

Nope... Trigger finger's fingerprint is missing half the time.

[strawberryapple]

The sensor is in the handgrip, not the trigger.

[Ariesman81]

That's half gone too😂

[strawberryapple]

Ahhh Nougat poisoning? It’s very common.

[Ariesman81]

Ahhh... tism

[AgentG111]

Absolutely Not!