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They would also I think it will just increase the presence of the illegal gun market in the US and make it more profitable then already is. We seen it play out when several states banned cigarettes in the 1920's, prohibition and the war on drugs. Also there are already illegal gun manufacturing in the US and a lot of gun crimes are carried out with the ghost guns created by them.
Also we might see a decease of gun violence once a ban goes into effect. But I think it will be like effects of prohibition had on alcohol consumption. The pendulum will start swinging the other way and we probably see more illegal guns on the street and more people using them as the ban goes on.
That absolutely would happen - every country that has ever banned private ownership of firearms has seen an increase with stabbings, bombings, etc, and a spike in violent crime in general. Violence is the fault of violent people, not inanimate objects, so a serious effort to address it has to dig much further than removing something from shelves, and addressing a cultural and/or mental problem.
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Look to all the countries that have guns completely outlawed by the state and ask yourself if they are crime-free utopias are not. In China, they literally have run-by stabbings. They're like drive-by shootings, but on foot.
In the US, the second amendment exists to protect the people against government tyranny, and you can see places like Canada and Australia completely get oppressed even in this year, when you let the government have full control over you and your lives. That's why they never needed a Trucker Protest in the US like they did in Canada and while the US didn't become as draconian and Orwellian as Australia did (and may still be) with vaccine mandates.
Not even getting into the Kyle Rittenhouse situation where he saved his life from three violent felons, there are several instances of armed civilians using guns to protect themselves, from both criminals and oppressive government. Like the Bundy Ranch stand-off where the government tried to seize privately owned land and cattle using grazing fees as an excuse over a 20-year dispute, and armed civilians held law enforcement off. And the whole thing in 2021 when they tried to ban the second amendment outright and second amendment sanctuary states started popping up, denying the ban on gun rights.
Honestly, the same people who want to ban guns are the ones who NEVER have any responsibility towards anything and will never be in a position to have to save a loved one or protect them from violence or danger. They want to outlaw what they do not understand, and doing so does not affect them in the slightest, because they already do not know what it's like to be tasked with saving or protecting lives. That's why it's usually women and effeminate weak males who oppose gun rights.
And yes, I know it said "In particular, I would like to get the opinion of people who believe we should outlaw guns."
Yes and no. Technically people who are going to do bad things have the luxury to arm themselves but the problem with guns is not strictly that it is an option for bad people, it is that its such an easy option. There is just such a massive difference between actual guns and literally any other weapon you would expect of a criminal that you can't really compare them.
Take for example a mass shooting. It would take a massive effort for someone with a baseball bat or a knife to kill 10 people before the cops shows up and stops them where as if you have a gun you could just go to a church and you might not even have to reload before you cross that threshold.
If we take this argument you put forward to the extreme and argue that instead of guns it is nuclear weapons we are talking about outlawing then maybe it becomes more clear what the problem with having guns are. Having a majority of people be equipped with nuclear weapons is not sustainable, especially in the case where you do not perform background checks or proper training.
You simply can't put that amount of trust into the people who are allowed guns in the first place and no other thing is truly on the same scale as guns or nukes as per my earlier example. Outlawing guns and only allowing a very select few who are trustworthy and competent have them would undoubtedly make for a much safer world which brings up the point that USA is currently heading for an average of 2 mass shootings a day.
I don’t necessarily “believe” in outlawing guns simply because it’s futile to “outlaw” anything that exists. But in a pipe dream world, I’d love to see it. The best way to reduce killing is to make so only TRUE killers can kill. That doesn’t make this safe for everyone else, but that needs to be abandoned, you can’t let that guide the process because no one is entitled to survival. We’re meant to die in astronomical numbers, for a variety of reasons, murder only being one of them. Humans “oversurvive” as it is, and it’s not good for nature.
But specifically with guns…. my problem with them is it makes it too easy to kill someone, not only from a physical standpoint, but also emotionally. I could pull a trigger from 20 yards away and see someone drop with a little hole in them. But only a TRUE killer has the heart to stab someone. Totally different dynamic, you FEEL yourself killing the other person, you FEEL the knife break the skin, penetrate organs, get stopped short by a bone or cartilage. I think you should HAVE TO feel that to kill someone, no cheap shit where you just fire and walk away. If you want to kill someone, right or wrong, EARN IT. FEEL IT. LIVE IT. I bet half of these gunslinger hardos out here would be either sobbing or vomiting if they had to kill someone the hard way. Earn your kills.
Of course they would. There would also still be illegal guns owned by criminals. However, there has been studies that show that stricter gun laws and less guns among the public does lead to a lowered rate of gun violence, which obviously makes sense. And while people can do great damage with other weapons, such as for example knives, as well that’s a whole different ball game. With guns you can shoot and kill dozens or even hundreds of people within a few minute long killing spree. You don’t even need to be very near by the victims to do this. People can’t do much to protect themselves either. With a knife the killer would have to get really close to their victims to inflict injury and you can more easily run, hide or even overpower someone who’s got a knife compared to someone who’s got a gun and is on a shooting spree. Cases like the Las Vegas Mandalay bay shooting would’ve been impossible with things like knives, axes or whatever. People who’s been killed by stray bullets, even such bullets randomly hitting them through windows while at home, wouldn’t happen without guns. Children who has accidentally shot themselves or a sibling/friend/other family member while playing with their parents gun - that wouldn’t have happened without guns. So, there would still be killings happening yes, people would use other weapons yes, but most other weapons have limitations on how many people you can easily kill or injure in a short amount of time and they’re more limited in regards to the amount of accidental victims they create.
Yes but. We the people will not allow that to happen if anything they need to outlaw parents who do not know how to teach kids how to be it did little them they self destroy their own kids because they're selfish fucking people and they only think about themselves if you're not think about their children and what they're going through they could not look at their children's eyes and see that they're in pain because they probably treat them like that anyway the problem is kids nowadays are not being taught by their parents kids nowadays are being belittled being maybe scapegoat for their parents has problems and their the way their parents still at any given moment it's the parents that need help there are so many kids out there that are being destroyed by their parents and their grandparents I know two of them and it totally discussed me this grandmother should be locked up for treating her grandchildren this way
No never give up the right to bare arms , but in saying this , who really needs an asult automatic weapon , you couldn't even classify it as a rifle , it was an automatic machine gun , unless you live on farm and need it to shoot Vernon such as rabbits and the like in one big go as you don't have time to shoot them one by one ,, in Australia we did give up our rights to protective weapons , not destructive weapons , and the resultant affect that our farmers couldn't keep pace with the Vernon over powering the land and ultimately their crops turned to shoot and they were forced off the land, sad but true
With out a doubt, I'm from the UK where firearms are next to impossible to get a licence for, and even on the black market they are hard to get.
The most common weapon used by criminals is a kitchen knife, followed by screwdrivers, hammers, bats and the butts from pool cues the list is endless.
If someone wants to kill another they will find a way.
In the end a gun be it a pistol, rifle, or shotgun is only a tool which by itself is not inherently good nor bad just like a hammer or a wrench.
They already do in other parts of the world. That's why London has a stabbing problem and literally had to ban knives. People with the mind to kill other people will find a way. That's why someone drove a semi-truck through a Christmas parade in France and Jihadis flew planes into skyscrapers in New York City. Some people are just evil. Some people are willing to kill you at any cost with any means and the only way for you to stop them is to kill them first. Unfortunately, bad guys always get to decide when and where a confrontation takes place. That's the reality of being the good guy. You aren't looking for the fight. They are. The best you can do is be ready for them when they show up, and that is no small feat.
Without a doubt! That’s exactly what has happened in England! Today, London, Birmingham, Liver pool, and Manchester, are MORE dangerous vis-à-vis the level of violent crime than many major American cities, not because of gun crime, but because of knife crime.
Yes, but with less deadly results. Virtually all research shows that lower availability, reduces deaths.
Not much related, but I was surprised when I first was exposed to data related to suicide. Reducing access, reduces the overall numbers of people who kill themselves. I live near a bridge where many people jumó off to kill thrmselves. Over 300 feet to the water does a good job. Adding fences and other measures reduced overall suicide numbers in the area.
The suicide numbers by gun are even more compelling. Communities where people have easy access to guns have higher rates of suicide by any means than communities with lower gum ownership.
Crimes with a gun would go down but violent crimes probably would drop much. Better idea is give everyone in an authority position a gun and teach them how to use it. Same reason why gunmen don’t shoot up military bases. Lock the windows metal detectors at every door… I mean I took a plastic knife to school as a kid to protect myself from bullies once… everythings a weapon if your creative enough.
Believe? No, I know it. The UK has very few guns; they don't want for violent crime, they just switched to knives. Sweden's not exactly swimming in firearms either, and half their damn country's embroiled in a low-level gang war.
"Ban X and the X-related problems will cease!". Because that worked SO well with boeze. And port. And drugs. And abortion. And pit bulls.
Guns already are outlawed in a practical sense to the people who need them the most, i. e. the urban poor and the victims of the worlds most oppressive governments. That being the case, many of them find ways to get self-defense tools anyways by whatever means necessary. A gun is just a tool like a hammer or a saw, it is the human decision maker which determines its use. How many people has your car killed after starting itself up and driving away?
Yes, or just not care and use guns anyway.
Look at Chicago, some of the strictest gun laws anywhere and I think they are either leading or close to the top in gun violence deaths.
911 was done with knives/box cutters and aircraft.
The blast in Oklahoma was done with a rental truck, diesel fuel and fertilizer.
Many serial killers do not use guns.
While guns make it easier to do, there are many other methods available to those people besides guns.
Yeah.
Uncle danny done pissed me off for the last time so gonna torch him and house house to hell.
Believe? We know. Just look at places with very strict gun laws or outright gun bans.
L. A., Chicago, Detroit, New York. All very high crime rates.
UK, bans guns. Knife and, yes, sword attacks have replaced guns.
Same with China. Knife attacks.
This is proven to be true in every country that's done it. Violent crime remains unchanged. That's why people who are anti gun sight violent GUN crime statistics and not just violent crime statistics.
It's people, not the weapon
They already do use other weapons to do crime. Guns are used more solely because of the effectiveness and quicker ability to cause damage and crowd control for the perpetrator doing the act.
We don't have guns freely as in the US, but here in London never a day goes by without a teenager stabbing another teenager, followed by retaliation from someone else.
I was raised to be a democrat by both my parents and we strongly believe guns should never have been invented and do not have a place in society whatsoever. If you think about it. If there are no guns then there is no crime or shootings like we have been experiencing lately from seriously mentally Ill people.
The only people that should have guns are military and that’s all.
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