Could Hitler and Stalin have won by allying with Slavs and the Caucasus?

[ironsteelbirade]

new nazi region, Stalin and hitler form alliance

north caucasians

balkans

slavs

In this scenario Stalin and Hitler would form an alliance, all of non Western Europe would fall into their control. Many historians consider Hitler not uniting with Persia, Armenia, Georgia, the other "Aryans" as a huge issue in his war strategy as well as not working with Eastern Europe and considering them racially inferior.

[RavVid]

Interesting question. I've not seen this whatif before and only have some cursory thoughts.

It seems like the hypothetical is about recreating the Ottoman Empire for WW2 but with lots of players in it. The Ottomans were a disappointment in WW1. I think 'lots of players' is significant.

More might be merrier but in terms of meaningful things, more means nothing much happens. In my mundane life, only 3 members of a committee make any meaning contribution and the remaining members obstruct with bad ideas and questioning the obvious way forward. The more people, the more paralyzed is decision making and more politics.

I think this would apply to countries as well and probably the other countries would have been more trouble than they were worth.

Marx and Engles hated Southern Slavs and they influenced both Germany and Russia. In the 1920's Russians preemptively shot Ukranians in the street if they could not speak Russian. Romania was part of the axis powers and had oil.

That's about all I have got and I look forward to finding out how the allegiance could have changed outcomes.

[Lliam]

Hitler hated Communism. He had a problem with Jews because Jews were, among other things, behind the Bolshevik Revolution and were rallying other socialists to take over Germany.

Brits started WWI in order to destroy Germany. After the war, it forced Germany to accept full responsibility for the war (Article 231), pay massive reparations, reduce its military, and surrender territory, fostering resentment that contributed to WWII.

Hitler resented the emasculation of his country, the out of control inflation, hopelessness and thousands of deaths by starvation. But he was a nobody. However, he caught the attention of the British who saw his potential.
British operatives befriended him, funded him, taught him how to dress, present himself, speak, and become a powerful orator.

High ranking Brits and Americans helped him rise to power and pretended to support his ambitions. They gave substantial assistance in Germany's military build up.

Their goal was to encourage a war between Germany and the USSR that would severely damage the USSR and end with the complete destruction of Germany.

Hitler was assured of British backing. But as soon as he expanded east toward the USSR and Russia, they stabbed him in the back as planned.

Hitler was an unsophisticated dupe.

~ Two World Wars and Hitler: Who Was Responsible?: Anglo-American Money, Foreign Agents and Geopolitics, by Jim Macgregor and John O’Dowd

Hitler and Stalin could never have been allies because Hitler hated communism and opposed Stalin's ambitions.
Hitler's original goal was not to conquer western Europe or Britain. He thought he had their support. He only did so because they declared war on Germany. They trapped him.

[NathanDavis]

to end it quickly... NO

the main reason why the Nazi lost the war... was because Hitler was a ruler, not a leader... so he forced most/or every bad decision that stunted any progress or chance they had

so, if you had put two nutcases in charge... the outcome would be even worse, as they would sabotage each other in an even more unreasonable manner too... lol

[strateguy632]

No that is impossible because hitler hated slavs. Hitler and Stalin DID ally against Poland but Nazi territory was only half Poland not your picture. France should have declared war on Russia too!

[ironsteelbirade]

This is saying what if Hitler accepted slavs.

[888theGreat]

if Hitler would have gone after England with everything and waited on Russia , he would have won the war. And if they had cell phones and told Japan to hold up attacking America , America would have gotten in war too late to make a difference.