Is Iran really the clear winner in this war?

[Looser_Shah_98]

[FrodoSkywalker007]

I would say it's hard to claim the Islamic Republic of Iran accomplished more than survival. Their population is beyond frustrated with the government, and many died before the war even started. It's economy was in tatters before it even began and its much worse now. They suffered terrible losses during the air campaign that will take years to rebuild. Their reaction to those strikes didn't put them in the best light throughout the region. There isn't much the government can do but say it survived, even though regime change wasn't an objective. Ultimately, Trump got what he wanted. Israel wanted far more and will be displeased. If the talks hold and there is no more hostilities, I predict Iran will take decades to rebuild and will become more aggressive. They will likely return to butchering its own people. That is the inevitable downside.

[Zack-Bann]

I swear libtards really need to be checked out for mental disability.


Is the Iranian flag flying over the white house right now? No?
So they didn’t win shit.


And then you wanna talk about them having survived and stayed un damaged?
Their psycho dictator was blown to bits on day 2!
In no way are they still the same they’ve always been.


The only mistake Trump made was allowing them to blockade Hormuz and illegally hold the world economy hostage like the pirate thugs they are.


The only thing making this not a total knockout is the fact that there isn’t a hole in in the ground where the IRGC used to lay their terrorist heads

[lilBigPotato]

War doesn't have winners, but they surely don't look like the clear loser here.

[NovaSpawn]

What are you talking about? Iran lost most of its military abilities, leadership, and is suffering from economic collapse. Looks like a clear loss to me

[Looser_Shah_98]

Iran js clear winner & US is clear looser in this war surrender from US for peace deal on Iran condition that's a strong proof

[NovaSpawn]

Iran surrendered its nuclear deal according to their own press releases

[NovaSpawn]

*nuclear program

[Looser_Shah_98]

They didn't...
Iran trap US brutally and Trump begging for peace deal bkoz of high Gas prices...

Trump on his knees in front of Iran 😂

[NovaSpawn]

What are you even readin? The official press release from Iran stated they surrendered the nuclear program

[Looser_Shah_98]

Nope only my love @lilBigPotato can confirm this...

[NovaSpawn]

This is also a 60 day ceasefire extension, not a treaty. You understand this righ

[Looser_Shah_98]

Yes trump have to surrender otherwise midterm coming

[Looser_Shah_98]

😂😂😂😂

[NovaSpawn]

You will be very embarrassed when it's signed and you find out it creates a 60 day ceasefire period discuss the process of dismantling the Iranian nuclear program. The only thing it immediately does is open up the strait of hormuz. Try researching what it is first.

[lilBigPotato]

@NovaSpawn Iran still has their missiles and nuclear program and the Mullah regime is still in power. The US didn't manage to get any of their declared goals. The US burned billions of dollars, hurt global economy, damaged the relationship with their allies even further and even fucked over Ukraine even more by lifting Russian sanctions and stopping promised weapon supplies.

And for what? To get a promise that Iran is willing to talk about their nuclear program. To maybe get a deal to regulate it. Something that we had already before Trump cancelled the treaty. Yeah well done /s

You can damage Iran's economy and ships all you want, that wasn't the goal of this war and they were already in terrible state to begin with. It looks like the US might even have to pay repair costs as part of the deal. Like I said, wars don't know winners. Unless you consider distracting from Epstein files a valid war goal, then the US succeeded 100%.

[Looser_Shah_98]

Cooked 😂😂😂

[NovaSpawn]

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. The US listed 4 goals for the war. 1. The dismantling of Iran's nuclear program. The memorandum states that the dismantling of the program is required before any final agreement is signed. Success. 2. The degradation of Iran's missile abilities. This war has seen over 90% of Iran's capacity and production eliminated. Success 3. Degradation of Iranian proxies. Hamas was already defeated, Houthis played no role, and Hezbollah suffer over 2,000 Kia and Lebanon is working with Israel to disarm. Success. 4 degradation of naval forces. 159 ships have been destroyed and they are limited to a fleet of speedboats. Success

[NovaSpawn]

The US also built stronger relationships with Arab partners. Israel now have closer defense ties. Iran, has become a pariah. The failing Iranian economy is now worse, with nearly a 500 billion to 1 Trillion lose of military equipment that will take decades to replace. China and Russka distanced themselves.

[NovaSpawn]

I'd suggest you to research US war goals before speaking against. Centcom gave steady reports and the 4 goals were highlighted early. Your reply shows you didn't know them

[NovaSpawn]

Now go educate yourself. Cooked 😂 😂 😂

[lilBigPotato]

@NovaSpawn Trump changed his opinions on the war goals more often than his underwear 🙄 want me to give you the quotes where he talks about regime change and other bullshit?

Oh you want me to read the memorandum? You mean the one that hasn't been made public? I'm sorry, I'm not in a so fortunate position to get this kind of information from your government 🤦‍♀️
And from what is known it's even requiring the "dismantling of Iran's nuclear program" like you mentioned, only that they don't go nuclear weapons.

And do you even know what a memorandum of understanding is? It's a NON-BINDING agreement. It doesn't mean shit, just that they agreed to talk about all the things they don't agree on in the future.

Iran still has its missiles and nuclear program and regime and control over the straight and hasn't made any legally binding concessions yet. Those are facts and if you can't see that then you're being absolutely naive and ignorant. Now stop spamming more of this nonsense, this discussion is an obvious waste of time 😒

[Looser_Shah_98]

Agree and us has to pay all the damage US done in iran in billions of dollars...

Oil sanction lifted...

US cooked badly in this war 😂😂

[Twalli]

Iran won in the similar way that Ukraine could win their war. They survived. Ukraine will not come out ahead if the push Russia back. The damage in the war was in Ukraine, not Russia. Ukraine will need to rebuild, not Russia. It is a pyrrhic victory for Iran. They won in the sense they weren't obliterated, but that's not a win outside of the immediate conflict. They lost a lot, and it will take a long time to rebuild. Ignoring the fact that the U. S. has more national debt than the rest of the world combined (we did before the war), we'll come out ahead, because once again there was no combat on American soil. It's also nearly impossible to say that we won when we don't even know what our objective actually was.

[NovaSpawn]

It's ongoing. They lost their navy, air force, much of their leadership, much of their missile abilities, and their proxies have been weakened. Their economy is collapsing. Lost $500+ billion of equipment, lose $500 million daily from the blockade. Their population hates them. You tell me?

[Anonymous]

Is that what winning looks like? An economy in shit? Trade in shit? Infrastructure in shit? Loss of blood and treasure, military shown to he weak?

Meanwhile America walked away with huge profits in oil, gas, fertiliser, trade, military sales etc.

[Iron_Man]

They got pounded I wouldn’t wanna be Iran. They can’t do anything. They don’t have the technology or the fire power. They are no threat at all unless they get their hands on nuclear weapons then that’s a problem.

[BonzoInBitburg]

There's no winners but Israel and the US did not accomplish anything they claimed they wanted to do.

[DryGermanGuy]

I don't really see any winners here, certainly no clear ones.

[exitseven]

No, they are the loser. It will take decades to rebuild and they will never have a nuclear bomb.

[msc545]

Yes, of course Iran is the winner. They came out of this looking just as good as they did when they went into it.

[strateguy632]

both sides lost. iran lost far more.

[blackeagle007]

Did their gov change?

[Anonymous]

You are.