Why are so many people confused about the difference between a Communist and a Social Democrat... education failure?

[yulbsari]

[OneViewpoint]

LOL, Stalin was not a Communist. He was a Psychopath who took over the Communist Party in the Soviet Union early in the aftermath of the Russian Revolution. Stalin cared a lot less about ideology and a lot more about consolidating power. The Communist Party label was just a tool to justify his power grab.

Nor was Hitler a "Socialist". Again, he was another psychopath who infiltrated an existing political movement and hijacked it from within to satisfy his own insane thirst for power. Hitler didn't give a crap about Socialist ideology. He was trying to achieve some jackass idea of a 3rd Reich to rule the world.

Roosevelt was an outlier, a complete unexpected surprise. One of the entitled rich who ended up being an actual Social Democrat when called upon to lead. Respect.

[OneViewpoint]

Roosevelt was the creator of the American Dream and the reason for the growth of the US economy in post WWI through the rest of the 20th century. He created the middle class. He gave us a social safety net such as it is.

[lilBigPotato]

Probably.

[SixFootSexy]

The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. - Norman Thomas

I tell people all the time: America is socialist, but solely for the rich and corporations. AI companies have pulled off the biggest intellectual property heist in history and called it R&D. Any country with a central bank cannot ever really be free or have free market capitalism.

Which is why every single administration red or blue, gives you three things:

More debts, more wars, more control.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Many of then openly praise communism

[yulbsari]

Examples?

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Mandani

[FrodoSkywalker007]

FDR was also a pragmatic capitalist who was weary of ideology. His coalition wasn't even a unified democratic party. He never considered himself a social democrat.

[yulbsari]

Doesn't matter. His policies were clearly social Democrat policies.

[yulbsari]

His policies are social Democrat policies. They are not Communists policies. The election results last week prove that people are fully in support. Current economic policies are crushing Americans and they have been for years!

[FrodoSkywalker007]

If you support the eventual collapse of the US, then he's, you are right.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

*yes

[yulbsari]

So, funding healthcare, education, housing and food security will bring about the downfall of our society? Really? We just funded a war at the price tag of $1 billion per day without even getting the results that Trump said we would... This is not about resources being available or not. Obviously! This proves that we could afford to take care of all of this and still have money to burn! If we don't address these issues, then our society will truly collapse! It's very interesting to me to see poor people bending over backwards to protect the rights of billionaires... while they have their feet on our necks... Since you referred to FDR as a "pragmatic capitalist," then you need to go back and study exactly how he pulled our country out of the Great Depression! I think you would be shocked! Is Social Security communism? Are public schools the result of Communism? How about Medicare? Who do you think should be repairing the roads in front of your house? Who should be funding the police department and fire department? Should we just take up a collection to fund these things? I live in the Midwest, and I'm surrounded by poor white Trump supporters who depend on all of these things including WIC and SNAP! THEY WOULD NOT MAKE IT WITHOUT THESE THINGS!

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Wow! If you live in the Midwest (like I), which is dominated by conservative voters, then you should know better in your replies. Think more clearly about what the major arguments are on the other side, instead of writing a long message about things both Republicans and Democrats do. Perhaps, before going on a tangent about nonsense I never argued, how about asking my position or grievance, or why I believe the leftist mentality leads to the inevitable collapse of society society? Hopefully you realize you are speaking to a leftist and Bernie supporter who changed sides, and currently finds both parties largely disappointing. Let's not jump to conclusions before having a discussion

[yulbsari]

I thought this was a discussion, or are you just mindlessly rambling. I'm thinking quite clearly. I know that the truth hurts. Yes, the Midwest is crowded with hypocritical "conservative" voters who aren't very bright and no nothing about the history of this country... or politics... and fully depend on government benefits. They don't even know what it means to be "conservative." That's why I'm NOT one. If you were a Bernie supporter and stopped, then I would assume that now you think that the billionaire class are just "people too." and you are comfortable being screwed. It's obvious that you didn't learn anything. I would also suggest you go and research the differences between social democratic policies and communism (which is the point of my post). You now support a POTUS who called affordability a "Democratic hoax" and says that he doesn't think about American's financial situations"not even a little bit," while he's funding gaudy monuments to himself (using tax payer money). Do you consider Trump to be a "pragmatic capitalist" or just another rich guy who truly doesn't give a flying fuck about working Americans? It's clear to me that the latter is correct. You might also take a peak at his abysmal poll numbers if you want to see what Americans think about his handling of the economy. We're being played.. and you're too blind to see it.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Wow, and this seems to be your problem. Oyou immediately attack the term and group of people without understanding their policy positions. Conservatives are worried about policies that expand government power into their lives, from the economy, to individual based issues. They don't really appreciate the censorship that ran rampant throughout the Democrats control that made it financial, political, and social suicide to even speak out on social media platforms without losing their jobs or livelihoods. These type of things already exist in places like the UK where you can be arrested for posts. They disagree with current social movements that are often at odds with values and ethics. For example, pushing trans issues on children. They do not support having transformed in women's sports for its unfair advantage, and how female athletes are often penalized for speaking out against performing against biological males. They do not agree with the incessant need to take everything from a Marxist perspective of oppressed vs oppressor, because it's used by the left to a degree that it ignores history and current events. Take for example the Karmelo Anthony case (and many like him) creating upheaval racially throughout the country. Many such cases have ruined racial issues over the past decade. Leftists can't even accept cultural differences exist, unless talking about whites. Or perhaps the endless reforming of society that is heavily antiwhite, or attacking those viewed as white adjacent. They recognize the collapse of the school system (where I work), after decades of failure and lowering standards. Schools are often more interested in fulfilling quotas. Which is the truth of most companies and universities, which for decades were obsessed with quotas in hiring and admittance. They are exhausted from the rewriting of history in an extremely anti American or anti western way.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Take for example the film "Woman King" which completely rewrites the history of the Dahomey tribe. Much of this is because its abhorrent in leftist ideology to see someone as a bad guy if they aren't white. Perhaps conservstives are tired of the murder and attempted murder of their leaders? Maybe they are tired of illegal immigrants being supported and shipped through the US. Or soft on crime policies that legalize such behavior in many of our cities. Ironically, the Democrats just decades ago (such as Clinton) which had tough on crime and immigration policies. Now they favor them? You have figures like Ilhan Omar who publicly states her allegiance to somalia. Figures like Avira Chevelair who listed the collapse of west, anticapalist, antiwhite objectives. That list is endless. There are prominent figures like Hasan Piker who openly push communism and support terrorist organizations. He is the nephew of Cenk Uyger, who runs Young Turks (ironic, if you know history) and is a significant reason for the rise of many progressive leaders (like the squad). Once again, an endless list. There is a reason many liberals have distanced themselves from the left (like Joe Rogan). The issue in this country is the extreme division thst exists where people can't even agree on basics such as what is a woman.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

I'll be honest and say that barely scratches the surface. Once you start following classic liberals, or those who left the left, it becomes scary. Amala Ekpunobi, Arielle Scarcello, Misha Petrov, etc. The social side of it becomes terrifying. In many ways its far more like a cult than MAGA. We only need to look to Europe to see our future. Many of those nations are now suffering under invasion and incompetence. The UK recently had victories from Reform UK which gives some hope. Economically, conservatives have little issue with many programs. As you said, many depend on them. The issue is corruption and waste. Many take advantage of the system, or even those who shouldn't be supported rip of tax payers. On a international level, USaid gives tons of money that falls into the hands of corrupt figures or terrorists. Conservatives have a issue with the welfare state, not with welfare in general. It also assumes all conservatives see things the same way, which is a fatal mistake. Many issues you list are not even significant or important to conservstives. Many issues they generally agree with liberals on, but disagree on how to get there.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

For example, with universal Healthcare. The disagreement is on how you get there. They often see things through universal access, as opposed to government control (a common theme in most conservative issues). The fears often come from the corruption of the system. We recently found out about the lies and corruption of Fauci, which makes conservatives hesitant to put their lives in the hands of a political system both sides fear. Let's be honest, polls show congress having the lowest approval rating ever, and media is even lower than that. Why trust a system both liberals and conservatives accept is broke and corrupt. Conservatives have historically supported universal coverage and have used government control to implement such as targeted subsidies. However, this is an issue where many would accept its a broke issue, and I'd agree liberal policy is generally superior. The issue you have is exaggeration with the "well you must not support fire departments" type argument

[FrodoSkywalker007]

This is an extremely complex issue, when discussing the reason many liberals are distancing themselves. Most of the prominent figures of the right, are liberals. Shoeonhead, for example, who is a classic mid 30s Bernie supporter. She is still liberal, but often characterized as far right by leftists (which shows how far left many of them are). She often speaks on social issues through a common sense lens. However! She is very liberal politically. This is the reality of many figures you'd consider conservative. This is also true of myself. I'm relatively liberal in a decent chunk of my views. However, I'd be considered very far right by the current leftist mentality.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

I also enjoy you immediate attack on my assumed perspective. You immediately assumed I support Trump on everything, which is a mistake. There are things he is certainly right about, but plenty wrong or mismanaged. I support the Iran War for example (and have a friend in Tehran), but currently disagree with the handling by Trump. You can check my history here and see more in depth my views. However, the real TDS that exists is exhausting. He isn't the best, but he certainly isn't Hitler. Most of your arguments though I'll just ignore, because it has no basis in what I'm arguing or even what conservatives claim. It's just vitriol and nonsense.

[yulbsari]

"Conservatives are worried about policies that expand government power into their lives, from the economy, to individual based issues."? Then, they need to reject all of the "communist" programs they depend on! These folks somehow think they're better than the groups they're attacking while sucking the government tit!!! What about the billions in government subsidies for big business that don't have to be paid back? "They don't really appreciate the censorship that ran rampant throughout the Democrats control..." ? Trump and MAGA has been and currently is going after television networks, comedians, journalists, universities and politicians using a weaponized DOJ and FCC who don't agree with the Fuhrer! Trump Is trying to literally flood the courts on a personal vendetta rampage! We have never seen attacks on a scale like this! "Leftists can't even accept cultural differences exist, unless talking about whites. Or perhaps the endless reforming of society that is heavily antiwhite, or attacking those viewed as white adjacent."? Thank you for showing your racist, anti-immigrant card! It's fascinating to see white people posing as victims of "racism" all of a sudden after building an entire society on enslavement and a low wage immigrant workforce and brutality against people of color! Go cry me a fucking river! It wasn't until the 1960s that the US finally granted civil rights and voting rights to black people in this country! But, of course, white people are now threatened by those things since they've been so used to being at the top of the mountain for so long... deciding who is a "real American " and a"real patriot"... even deciding who's human or not!!! Trump and MAGA are their great hope to "Make America Great Again " (aka 1950's and earlier... Segregationalist, Jim Crow, put women "back in their place). This is actually the real reason for the MAGA anti-DEI movement and Project 2025!

[yulbsari]

The fight against and utterly disgusting demonization of multiple immigrant groups and members of the LGBTQ+ community is from a very old playbook. Isn't it interesting that Trump is all behind giving white Afrikaners from South Africa protected status? Gee... I wonder why? These are just one of the many dark offshoots from the white supremacy movement in this country. today. You guys are too stupid to realize that diversity is actually strength, NOT weakness!!! That has helped us win wars, strengthen our economy, and made us the leader in multiple scientific fields... and even sports! The reality is that ultimately you can do nothing about the changing demographics of this country! For the life of me, I don't understand all of this rage against us being the most powerful multiethnic democracy the world has ever known!!! Without diversity, there will be no USA! I'm not interested in the destruction of our country... becoming a white nationalist theocracy!