Do you agree or disagree with Zohran Mamdani’s take on American exceptionalism?

[SolitarySolace]

"We are told that America is exceptional because we are richer, stronger, more powerful than everyone else. The truth, my friends, is that America is exceptional because here nothing is fixed into place." - Zohran Mamdani

Mamdani uses America 250 to bash nation that embraced him as a child, granted him citizenship, and elected him mayor of NYC - https://thepostmillennial.com/mamdani-uses-america-250-to-bash-nation-that-embraced-him-as-a-child-granted-him-citizenship-and-elected-him-mayor-of-nyc

Agree

Disagree

[Jersey2]

He has been an A, erican for 8 years. He comes from a rich family. WTF does he know about being American.

“We are richer, stronger, more powerful than everyone else” because of hard, smart working people. Elon Musk understands that and has made the country stronger. Mamdani is acting like a pompass ass who comes from privilege. He will hurt NYC, guaranteed.

[strateguy632]

his words are category straw man. he takes something false and refuted his own lie. "the U. S. is uniquely devoted to democracy and liberty.' that is exceptional- in contrast to muslim countries and briton tweet arrests!

it is not about wealth. china industry is strong too.

[jshm2]

Lol, America never was richer, stronger, more powerful than everyone else.

Iran and China have shown how deluded America was all along.

America is like that violent drunk uncle everyone just gives a pass to, instead of stand and correct. We've let America get away with too much down the years, it's got too big for its boots, as a result.

[exitseven]

He did not even realize he was sitting at the desk and it was backwards. He is not even an American so what does he know about anything? He never had a real job in his life.

[indissoluble]

I think he needs to be charged under anti-communist laws and be deported.

[SolitarySolace]

He should be but unfortunately as a democratic socialist he is protected under the first amendment which is ridiculous but true

[indissoluble]

Nope. Not how it works. If you lie about association with socialist organizations when applying for citizenship, then you can be stripped of your citizenship and be deported. You'll find out...

[indissoluble]

§841. Findings and declarations of fact
The Congress finds and declares that the Communist Party of the United States, although purportedly a political party, is in fact an instrumentality of a conspiracy to overthrow the Government of the United States. It constitutes an authoritarian dictatorship within a republic, demanding for itself the rights and privileges accorded to political parties, but denying to all others the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution. Unlike political parties, which evolve their policies and programs through public means, by the reconciliation of a wide variety of individual views, and submit those policies and programs to the electorate at large for approval or disapproval, the policies and programs of the Communist Party are secretly prescribed for it by the foreign leaders of the world Communist movement. Its members have no part in determining its goals, and are not permitted to voice dissent to party objectives. Unlike members of political parties, members of the Communist Party are recruited for indoctrination with respect to its objectives and methods, and are organized, instructed, and disciplined to carry into action slavishly the assignments given them by their hierarchical chieftains. Unlike political parties, the Communist Party acknowledges no constitutional or statutory limitations upon its conduct or upon that of its members.

[indissoluble]

The Communist Party is relatively small numerically, and gives scant indication of capacity ever to attain its ends by lawful political means. The peril inherent in its operation arises not from its numbers, but from its failure to acknowledge any limitation as to the nature of its activities, and its dedication to the proposition that the present constitutional Government of the United States ultimately must be brought to ruin by any available means, including resort to force and violence. Holding that doctrine, its role as the agency of a hostile foreign power renders its existence a clear present and continuing danger to the security of the United States. It is the means whereby individuals are seduced into the service of the world Communist movement, trained to do its bidding, and directed and controlled in the conspiratorial performance of their revolutionary services. Therefore, the Communist Party should be outlawed.

[indissoluble]

§842. Proscription of Communist Party, its successors, and subsidiary organizations
The Communist Party of the United States, or any successors of such party regardless of the assumed name, whose object or purpose is to overthrow the Government of the United States, or the government of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein by force and violence, are not entitled to any of the rights, privileges, and immunities attendant upon legal bodies created under the jurisdiction of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof; and whatever rights, privileges, and immunities which have heretofore been granted to said party or any subsidiary organization by reason of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof, are terminated: Provided, however, That nothing in this section shall be construed as amending the Internal Security Act of 1950, as amended [50 U. S. C. 781 et seq.]

[indissoluble]

§843. Application of Internal Security Act of 1950 to members of Communist Party and other subversive organizations; "Communist Party" defined
(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully becomes or remains a member of (1) the Communist Party, or (2) any other organization having for one of its purposes or objectives the establishment, control, conduct, seizure, or overthrow of the Government of the United States, or the government of any State or political subdivision thereof, by the use of force or violence, with knowledge of the purpose or objective of such organization shall be subject to all the provisions and penalties of the Internal Security Act of 1950, as amended [50 U. S. C. 781 et seq.], as a member of a "Communist-action" organization.

(b) For the purposes of this section, the term "Communist Party" means the organization now known as the Communist Party of the United States of America, the Communist Party of any State or subdivision thereof, and any unit or subdivision of any such organization, whether or not any change is hereafter made in the name thereof.

[indissoluble]

§1424. Prohibition upon the naturalization of persons opposed to government or law, or who favor totalitarian forms of government
(a) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 405(b) of this Act, no person shall hereafter be naturalized as a citizen of the United States-

(1) who advocates or teaches, or who is a member of or affiliated with any organization that advocates or teaches, opposition to all organized government; or

(2) who is a member of or affiliated with (A) the Communist Party of the United States; (B) any other totalitarian party of the United States; (C) the Communist Political Association; (D) the Communist or other totalitarian party of any State of the United States, of any foreign state, or of any political or geographical subdivision of any foreign state; (E) any section, subsidiary, branch, affiliate, or subdivision of any such association or party; or (F) the direct predecessors or successors of any such association or party, regardless of what name such group or organization may have used, may now bear, or may hereafter adopt, unless such alien establishes that he did not have knowledge or reason to believe at the time he became a member of or affiliated with such an organization (and did not thereafter and prior to the date upon which such organization was so registered or so required to be registered have such knowledge or reason to believe) that such organization was a Communist-front organization; or

[indissoluble]

§1451. Revocation of naturalization
(a) Concealment of material evidence; refusal to testify
It shall be the duty of the United States attorneys for the respective districts, upon affidavit showing good cause therefor, to institute proceedings in any district court of the United States in the judicial district in which the naturalized citizen may reside at the time of bringing suit, for the purpose of revoking and setting aside the order admitting such person to citizenship and canceling the certificate of naturalization on the ground that such order and certificate of naturalization were illegally procured or were procured by concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation, and such revocation and setting aside of the order admitting such person to citizenship and such canceling of certificate of naturalization shall be effective as of the original date of the order and certificate, respectively: Provided, That refusal on the part of a naturalized citizen within a period of ten years following his naturalization to testify as a witness in any proceeding before a congressional committee concerning his subversive activities, in a case where such person has been convicted of contempt for such refusal, shall be held to constitute a ground for revocation of such person's naturalization under this subsection as having been procured by concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation. If the naturalized citizen does not reside in any judicial district in the United States at the time of bringing such suit, the proceedings may be instituted in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia or in the United States district court in the judicial district in which such person last had his residence.

[indissoluble]

(c) Membership in certain organizations; prima facie evidence
If a person who shall have been naturalized after December 24, 1952 shall within five years next following such naturalization become a member of or affiliated with any organization, membership in or affiliation with which at the time of naturalization would have precluded such person from naturalization under the provisions of section 1424 of this title, it shall be considered prima facie evidence that such person was not attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States and was not well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States at the time of naturalization, and, in the absence of countervailing evidence, it shall be sufficient in the proper proceeding to authorize the revocation and setting aside of the order admitting such person to citizenship and the cancellation of the certificate of naturalization as having been obtained by concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation, and such revocation and setting aside of the order admitting such person to citizenship and such canceling of certificate of naturalization shall be effective as of the original date of the order and certificate, respectively.

[indissoluble]

(e) Citizenship unlawfully procured
When a person shall be convicted under section 1425 of title 18 of knowingly procuring naturalization in violation of law, the court in which such conviction is had shall thereupon revoke, set aside, and declare void the final order admitting such person to citizenship, and shall declare the certificate of naturalization of such person to be canceled. Jurisdiction is conferred on the courts having jurisdiction of the trial of such offense to make such adjudication.

(f) Cancellation of certificate of naturalization
Whenever an order admitting an alien to citizenship shall be revoked and set aside or a certificate of naturalization shall be canceled, or both, as provided in this section, the court in which such judgment or decree is rendered shall make an order canceling such certificate and shall send a certified copy of such order to the Attorney General. The clerk of court shall transmit a copy of such order and judgment to the Attorney General. A person holding a certificate of naturalization or citizenship which has been canceled as provided by this section shall upon notice by the court by which the decree of cancellation was made, or by the Attorney General, surrender the same to the Attorney General.

[indissoluble]

It is painfully obvious that Zohran Mamdani who was naturalized in 2018 is a Communist and has been associated with said groups plotting to subvert the government of the United States long before his naturalization. Even in his rap music in his youth he is giving praise to "The Holy Land Five" who are Palestianian-American men who were convicted of funneling funds to Hamas in 2017. Hamas is a recognized authoritarian terrorist organization who has repeatedly and consistently voice the opinions that they want to destroy the United States and whom are associated with Islamic Socialism (Communist Party)

[indissoluble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-AUp5mRlM

[SolitarySolace]

Those statutes do not say “any democratic socialist can be deported.” They specifically concern communist or totalitarian organizations advocating the overthrow of the U. S. government by force or violence, or cases involving fraud during naturalization.

Quoting statutes is not the same as proving they apply. To revoke citizenship, you would need evidence Mamdani knowingly concealed disqualifying affiliations or materially misrepresented them during naturalization—not merely that he holds socialist views or made controversial statements.

Supporting socialist policies, however much I disagree with them, is still protected political speech unless you can prove actual subversion, prohibited affiliation, or material misrepresentation.

[indissoluble]

Apparently you do not know how to read English. Phone a friend and try again.

[indissoluble]

You socialist are not very good at this sort of things... "any successors of such party regardless of the assumed name"..."successors of any such association or party, regardless of what name such group or organization may have used"

[indissoluble]

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www.jfeed.com/.../mamdani-gaza-tribunal-hamas-ties

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www.yahoo.com/.../...dani-apologize-112440948.html

[indissoluble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYNTALisKSw

[SolitarySolace]

You are arguing against a claim I did not make. I never said every democratic socialist is automatically deportable under the Communist Control Act. Democratic socialism is not identical to communism, and not every socialist is a communist.

My broader point is ideological, not merely legal: democratic socialism still advocates greater state control over economic life. The more government controls housing, healthcare, labor, energy, business, and markets, the more power becomes centralized in the state. That is why many of us view collectivist ideology with skepticism—not because every socialist is a communist, but because it moves society in a direction that historically concentrates power, weakens private property, and makes authoritarian collectivism easier to justify.

[indissoluble]

You're are actually mentally retarded. I won't spend any more time communicating with you. You don't understand the law, you can't remember what you even posted as a retort tot he law. You have brain damage and can't even engage with what was stated.

[fishbone77]

Islamist commies don’t get to dictate what America is.

[Zack-Bann]

No country or people is as exceptional as they think.
But it’s a sign of a good and loyal citizen to believe that nonetheless

[NaultD]

A government of the people by the people for the people can make changes. Isn't that the point?

[Anonymous]

Mamdani's a Democratic Socialist, and I can't believe he managed to get into the position he's in... YIKES

[Twodogs0525]

He ran in New York and of course the mass media is pretending that there is a "movement" for socialism. That's equivalent to people being shocked that Putin was reelected in Russia.

[Anonymous]

Disagree

NYC needs walking off from decent society same as all liberal 'utopias' like LA, Portland and Seattle

[Cidknee]

I doubt I could agree with that feeak on anything.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Islamist Communist