Do you really want to solve the alleged problem with illegal immigration? Why not arrest the people who hire them?

[msc545]

I'm talking to all you right-wingers out there who keep whining and sobbing that supposedly illegal immigrants might vote, and besides that, they're doing terrible things and committing terrible criminal acts, although you can't prove any of this. So, yeah, if you want to keep these people from coming here, there's an easy way to do it. Just arrest the people that hire them, because most of them come here looking for work. If you arrest the people that hire them, they won't be able to find any work. Well, oh yeah. The people that hire them are the people that seem to have all the money: the big agricultural corporations, restaurant chains. People like that. You would not dare arrest those people because you are afraid of them; You want them to hire you too, except in somewhat better jobs.

[LiamS95]

A lot of American farmers are hurting bad because they have depended on Mexican laborersfor decades that got special visas to do the hand picking in the fields during harvest gorgeous very low pay plus room and board. Jobs no American would ever do. The same harvesters would come every year and go back to Mexico every year for generations. Now these harvesters are afraid to come to these farms and produce is rotting in thd fields and American farmers are going bankrupt f deeotafter their farms being owned and zAmericandoperated by the same family for in some cases over 100 years. So do you want to arrest these farmers that have done their best to feed Americans for generations?

[LiamS95]

Sorry it looks like auto correct screwed up my opinion pretty good.

[msc545]

Yes, I either want to arrest those farmers or stop arresting immigrants. Take your pick. The law applies to everybody.

[msc545]

Okay, if your opinion got screwed up, please post a corrected opinion so I can respond to it.

[LiamS95]

No I think the jist of it is there autocorrect just added unrelated words etc..

[LiamS95]

Those harvest pickers were in the country legally and returned to their own country at the end of the harvest time.

[LiamS95]

They had to if they wanted a visa to pick next harvest time.

[msc545]

So we need to either stop arresting the harvest pickers or start arresting the people who hire them. My preference is to stop arresting harvest pickers.

[msc545]

Of course, if we start arresting the people who hire the harvest pickers then there won't be any jobs for the harvest pickers. So of course it has the same effect in many ways. Maybe it's best not to disrupt this system at all? I realize that would disappoint all the right wing racist but perhaps they should find something else to hate about other people beside their color.

[Staximus]

That’s never going to happen because those people are the friends of the politicians

[msc545]

Very true!

[RachyRach]

Good question. Although I don't think it's as simple as that unfortunately

[msc545]

They won't come here if they can't get work, and if you arrest the people that are hiring them for cheap labor, they won't have any job offers. Hiring illegal aliens is actually illegal, but that particular part of the law never gets enforced.

[msc545]

It's interesting how the right wing is racist and wants to enforce the law against anybody who is not white, whom they don't like, but refuses to enforce the law against wealthy people, even if the wealthy people actually are criminals.

[front2back]

I actually wanted that mord than just regular deportations, I also want arrests of those within state and local government officials who allow fraud of Medicare or other services to happen to illegals. Lastly, I specifically want leaders of NGOs aiding and abetting them to be arrested as well.

You wouldn't even need to arrest and sentence all of them, once a handful in corporate, government, and NGO space are arrested and convicted, the chilling effect will be immediate.
They'll stop hiring or doing other activities and many will self-deport from the lack of resources provided.

[msc545]

Does that mean that we also get to arrest citizens? Who do frauds in those situations that you mentioned? You know not just the illegal aliens but actual citizens too like white people? Or are they off limits like they are now?

[front2back]

Where are you coming up with this idea?
Anyone who is doing Medicare or other fraud should be arrested, but also officials that openly look the other way and let it happen.

[msc545]

You would wind up arresting literally millions of people since what you were talking about. It is stopping corruption which is absolutely impossible. I am talking about arresting people that deliberately offer jobs to illegal aliens because they can pay them a lot less than they otherwise would have to based on minimum wage laws. Agricultural corporations and fast food chains are notorious for doing exactly this.

[Staximus]

Those are all of your Democrat buddies, pal. They want an open border so their pals can have cheap labor and treat Mexicans like they are disposable

[msc545]

It has nothing to do with being a Democrat and has everything to do with large agricultural corporations wanting cheap labor to increase their profits. Stop trying to pin things on Democrats that don't belong there. The people that own large agricultural corporations are uniformly Republicans.

[Staximus]

Who is running this state? It sure as fuck isn’t the republicans

[msc545]

What state are you talking about?

[msc545]

If you are talking about California, I live here and I don't think you do. The Central valley is occupied for the most part by large agricultural corporations that own most of the suitable land for farming. Those corporations are controlled and owned by Republicans. Don't try to tell me differently because I live here and you don't. Thank God I don't live in the part of the state I'm talking about.

[Staximus]

The state of California is ran by Democrats and if you don’t believe that then you’re delusional, and those Democrats are complicit and directly involved in allowing facilitating the exploitation of undocumented workers

[Staximus]

Almost every top level state of California government position is occupied by s Democrat. The Senate the state legislature the congressman the governor the Attorney General mayors of all the major cities etc. etc. etc.

[Staximus]

Almost everybody writing the laws for the state of California is a Democrat

[Staximus]

I have lived in California longer than you’ve been alive buddy

[msc545]

@Staximus I sure as fuck is the agricultural corporations. That is where the money is, - them and the high-tech corporations.

[msc545]

@Staximus where in California do you live?

[msc545]

@Staximus, now, everybody writing the laws for the state of California is, in fact, a Democrat. Thank God. We don't need Nazis writing laws here.

[msc545]

@Staximus yes, you're absolutely right, and it's a good thing. We don't need Republican Nazis in our legislature or in our government.

[msc545]

@Staximus Democrats run the state. This is why it's basically the richest state in the country, with the most beautiful scenery, which we are preserving, and good business as well. Go fucking live in Mississippi or Louisiana if you don't like it. Si How much d you enjoy the luxury of a red state...

[Sevenpointfive]

it's about economics, price adjustments and helping old republican farm owners. the farmers griped themselves over tarrifs for fertilizer. the can't grow but somehow do. they get billions in bailout money and still sell at the store at a higher price now because the fertilizer is high. nothing changed but the price and the extra money in the farmers pockets. boom!

[jshm2]

Lol, what they really mean is "take from them, and give to me!"

Immigrants work twice as hard, and often get half a much. So it's rather rich these right wing clowns want to go after them.

[Just_Ken]

Its not alleged. Its a real problem. When the Mayor of New York City was paying himself on the back about making NYC a sanctuary city and then a year later crapping himself because NYC couldn't deal with them all. Or how liberal elites couldn't even handle 50 ilegals in Martha's vineyard and had them locked up in a church cellar under guard before having the national guard deport them to the nearest fishing village. Liberals brought water bottles and sandwiches and virtue signaled on social media but none of them were willing to put an ilegal up for a single night in the thousands of vacant rooms in Martha's vineyard or give them a job.

Its largely solved by Trump. Theyve stopped coming because they know they will get sent back. Compare that to Europe where after spain announced an amnesty for their illegals hundreds of thousands invaded from north Africa

[CaptainSmartass]

Its not "alleged", its real. And yeah. I'd like to solve it. Just have the Navy patrol the English Channel and shoot at boats full of illegals, and board other boats suspected of carrying illegals, to shoot said illegals.

Also, any that do successfully break in (shouldn't be too many) should be put in immigration jails where their name, picture, fingerprints and biometric details/DNA samples are taken, prior to them being depoprted.

Simples...

[msc545]

Well here in the US it's alleged. It is alleged because there is absolutely no proof that people who immigrate here commit more crimes than people who are citizens and in fact the opposite is true. People who are citizens actually commit more crimes. People who immigrate here and forget to fill out a form making item legal actually committed a lot fewer crimes because they know that if they get caught they're going to get deported. They don't want to risk it. The main crime that they commit according to our right way is that they happen to have the wrong color skin. In many places in the United States that is literally almost a crime and people with the wrong color skin are treated like criminals. As a result. I'm not kidding about this, although I know it sounds crazy. The United States has a long history of racial discrimination based solely on skin color. If you thought that ended with our civil war, trust me it did not.